So long freebies? SugarSync switches to paid-only model

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An enduring mystery of the booming cloud file management and storage world is exactly how many of the zillions of users claimed — by Box, by Dropbox, by insert-your-favorite-vendor here — actually pay for the services. All of those vendors offer free versions: The typical model is you get X amount of storage for free, then the meter starts running. Or you get base service for free but have to pay for advanced perks.

Free lunchSugarSync is putting a stake in the ground:  it’s ending its freemium version, so customers will have to pay after a 90-day or 30-day trial. Why? “The move will allow the company to further refine the service to better meet the evolving needs of its consumer and business subscribers,” according to the company’s press release.

“Free stuff” has been the go-to customer acquisition strategy for companies ranging from consumer-focused Dropbox to business-oriented Box. Egnyte relied heavily on free trial periods — not freemium per se — but then started offering free accounts to woo Box customers. Accellion, as far as I can tell, is an outlier, offering free trials but no freemium. But that is an exception to the rule — until now.

Freemium is a great way to get potential customers in the door, but it’s very hard to make them pay the rent. Conversion rates are well below 10 percent ) (I would guess 3 to 4 percent is more like it but would welcome input in comments below.)

As might be expected, SugarSync CEO Mike Grossman said that offering free storage indefinitely is “not a very sustainable model.” If you’re offering a real service, then it is worth something, he noted.

In SugarSync’s case much of that value lies in the ability of the customer — typically a “prosumer” or a small business — to use the folder structure of his or her choice and have that same folder structure available in the cloud, desktop and mobile device, with all folders updated continuously.

There is a subset of those customers who care very much about how their data is managed and stored across devices, and he is banking that there are enough of them there for SugarSync to flourish. SugarSync pricing starts at $7.49 per month (or $74.99 per year) for 60GB.

It will be extremely interesting to see if SugarSync’s move sparks other competitors to follow suit. In eras past, most rational beings realized that when it came to goods and services you got what you paid for. The problem now is that so many people have grown up with free accounts for their photos and documents, they see that as their birthright.

Good luck persuading them otherwise.

 Photo courtesy of  Flickr user KAZVorpal

63 Comments

Chris Nunn

This news made me investigate the alternatives. I would recommend people take a look at Bittorrent Sync. It cuts out the cloud and syncs straight from device to device. Like SugarSync (and unlike Dropbox etc) you can set up proper syncing on tablets and mobiles. Because it doesn’t use cloud storage, your machines need to be on at the same time to sync. BUT an old cheap computer or even a Raspberry Pi left permanently on can serve as your own personal cloud and you then have the same functionality as most of the Cloud services, with unlimited storage, no subscription, and no data privacy concerns. Google “btsync rasperry pi” for more info on setting this up.

Wzrd Wizitch

I knew there was a reason that I felt uncomfortable about using SugarSync. I just didn’t know what the reason was. As a low income person I have to rely on free free services to compliment the few paid services I can afford.
I now feel like I’ve been suckered into a callous marketing ploy. Very disappointing as I’ve often referred friends to SugarSync and now feel like mky personal integrity has been compromised.
Surely SS could retain free storage by using it as an advertising medium as so many other folk do?
Poor form SugarSync – I suspect that you will reap the appropriate karmic response (ie, minimal takeup of paid services by free account holders).
So long and thanks for all the fish.

Nathan

Everyone should just sign up to https://copy.com?r=UNgCNu as they provide 15GB for free and 5GB per referall. Therefore if you sign up now using the link above, it will get you 20GB FREE! If you invite others after, you get 5GB again with no limit! It’s a really great service like Dropbox!

Vishal

I had used SugarSync free service earlier and had to abandon it because of their totally messed up syncing algorithm which made me lose much of my crucial data.

Now, instead of improving their technology, this company wants to make customers pay for the much inferior syncing algorithm which their competitors with better technology are giving for free. Holy crap!!

Assaf N

See my chat with the rep:

asspen _: I was wondering what will happen to my account once you will move to a paid only model
Siva: SugarSync’s 5GB Free accounts are now only available on a 90 day time limited basis. We are asking all of our Free 5GB users to either upgrade their account to a paid plan or to remove their data from SugarSync before Feb 8th 2014.
asspen _: am i included in this reuqest? since the mail sent to me was not very clear about it
asspen _: it said: “Since you are already a valued customer you don’t have to make any changes or updates. ”
Siva: Yes. Currently your account is active and you will not be effected for this. If any changes in your account, you will receive an email from SugarSync to upgrade your account.
asspen _: Just to make sure I understand you – after Feb 8th I can continue using the service Without paying?
Siva: Yes, You can continue to use the service after Feb 8th.
asspen _: without paying?
Siva: Yes, You can continue to use the service after Feb 8th with out paying.
asspen _: ok thanks. May I ask why?
Siva: As you earned the bonus storage space more than 5 GB. Due to which your account will not be effected for this change.

Assaf N

From what I understand and after a chat with support, I will not have to pay even after the transition to the new model.

I am a free user with 17GB account since I referred some paying users to their service.

I guess because I am a referrer and they do not want to break relationships with current paying users they will not charge me.

lategrad

I subscribed to their service but quickly discovered other services that worked better for me. If Dropbox or Google decided to force me to pay, I would have to make a decision. But Sugarsync? Who cares? Buh-bye.

David

I’m a Sugarsync user and paid for the service after using it for a few months. I looked into about 6 or 7 different cloud storage providers and they were the best in terms of providing a real cloud sync service that takes any file structure on any part of your machine and keeps it backed up in the cloud and synced to anywhere on any other machine. Much more capable and useful (for me at least) than the dropbox model of “a big shared bucket”.

But while I think it’s a great product, I think going paid-only is a risky move because many people I explained the service to couldn’t really see the difference with Dropbox etc until they saw it in action. And I wonder how many people will actually take the plunge and try it out knowing that they will have to move their files elsewhere after a few weeks if they decide not to pay.

murrrf

I use Dropbox, SugarSync, Copy.com (not actually use, only have an account here), GoogleDrive (similar) and Yandex.Disk. When Yandex.Disk, offering users 10 GB of free space, made ​​a mistake in one version of the installer, which could result in damage to the operating system, after correcting the error to everyone who has set a potentially dangerous version was added 200 GB free space to account, even if nothing wrong never happened. And at the same time SugarSync closes the free accounts. Well, goodnight sweet SugarSync.

dirtypatchouli

SugarSync is actually offering current free users 75% off the 60GB plan, not just the 5GB plan. It’s under $19.00 for the year, and the offer is for a limited time. I will probably do that, but I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have paid $75.00 for it.

As a non business computer user, the most important thing I can back up are my pictures. Several sites, especially Flickr, let me do that for free. But at under 20 bucks, I’ll use SugarSync too for a year, then evaluate my options then.

Stuff is going to start costing money on the Internet. Get used to it people. There is a certain level of free entitlement out there that is slightly obnoxious. Unless it’s Facebook or a service that has advertisements, you are going to have to pay.

Steve

Always paid for it and will continue to.
100GB account and nobody else offers the ease of continuous back up the way SugarSync does.

There is no real true competitor in my eyes.

*just add pst file back up and I will be very happy…..

Guy Hoogewerf

I have recommended SugarSync to a lot of people, many of whom have become SugarSync Customers… what this does is effectively kill off my power to recommend. Because I just will not recommend a service that costs money – when similar offerings are free. It just won’t happen

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GoldThinger

I actually like SugarSync a lot, especially their ability to sync any folder on my hard drive (and not just the dreaded Dropbox or SkyDrive folder…).

I’m probably one of the few fools who actually got enticed by their 75% discount, though I’ve set up a reminder a year from now to decide what I’ll do. By then, I fully expect that online storage will be enough commoditized that they’ll drop their prices even further. I do hope that in the meantime, they sign up enough paid users so that they’re able to lower their prices.

James

SugarSync is making a mistake with it’s current users. I’ve signed up many users for the service and recommended it with many switching to paid users. They could have just stopped new users, but letting the current ones stay, they could also kill dead accounts and such.
And the switch is in 60 days? WTF sugarsync?

wreichard

They’re just following Google’s example. Promise eternity…then change your mind when it becomes inconvenient.

Dave

Spending $75 a year doesn’t seem like a big deal. When I think way, way back to how much time I once spent backing up to 5 1/4″ floppy disks, I’m happy to pay for the service.

AP

Just switched to a free dropbox account i already had and dumped sugarsync.

Disgrunted

They’re offering a 75% discount to current holders of the 5GB free accounts, but the first paid option is to upgrade to a 60GB account with an annual $75 fee ($18.75 the first year). That’s a steep fee, and I don’t really need to synchronize 60 GB. I might be willing to pay $7.50 annually for 5 GB but I don’t really need to put my entire hard drive online. No way I’m going to pay $75 annually for that. I’m not getting suckered into the $18.75 for first year) Looks like I’ll be dropping SugarSync and switching to MediaFire.

Brent Bucci

Shameless plug:

We welcome any former free Sugarsync members to check out MediaFire. Up to 50 gigs of free storage, plus now we support automatic file-syncing through our new desktop app: https://www.mediafire.com/software/desktop/

With 34 Million Users and Growing, we have no plans to eliminate our freemium model :)

-Best,
Brent Bucci

Vice President, MediaFIre

Steve Steiner

While I am not a mediafire user, since other solutions fit my needs, I do see some humor in SugarSyncs twitter account pointing to this site, and if people read far enough below the fold, to your comment. It reminds me of when Mozy stopped having unlimited accounts, and sugarsync put up a blog post that basically said “see people, free accounts could never work” and about the same time Crashplan said they were “doubling down” on unlimited storage because it was sustainable. Good luck to you.

Steve Steiner

And by free accounts could never work, I meant, unlimited accounts could never work. It has been a long day.

Stefano Giovannini

It seems that mediafire syncs only one folder and its subfolders. Sugarsync can sync any folder.

what was really great was that folders could reside on the cloud only after deleting them from my computer and be available (for instance JPG photos to be sent to a client that i did not need as I keep the original RAW files). SS could also sync to either my desktop or laptop or both. With Dropbox all files are automatically synced to both computers. If I am traveling somewhere where there is a slow connection I may not want to download the dropbox stuff to my laptop. Sugarsync was great for this, but 75 $ is too much and I do not need 60 GB. But I want a service with syncing flexibility. Otherwise I could just use Google drive or Dropbox.

jseboek

Thanks Million Dots. Tresorit is a wonderful replacement. Full automatic sync by folder just like Sugarsync. Desktop and Android apps are pretty good, if not better than SC. I really like the simplicity of Tresorit. tresorit.com

turntothesky

Interestingly, I’m setting up my new Dropbox this very day and leaving SugarSync after six years because I need just the scenario you describe, and SugarSync won’t do it.

To explain: I don’t want to sync the same fileset to all three computers, and SugarSync can’t do that (confirmed by two techs yesterday). Dropbox’s Selective Sync absolutely does, as I’ve tested it this afternoon. 100GB price is identical ($99).

One hard drive is simply too small to hold the same folders as the other two computers’, so “you can sync your entire Documents folder!” isn’t a selling point, even though SugarSync did their best to convince me it is.

SugarSync is pricing out converting its free users, and alienating business users like me with inflexibility. Add their clunky v. 2.0 and they’re not long for the cloud-storage world.

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Actually, that is a core feature set of SugarSync and I’m doing that right now. Across three computers, I have some folders that shared across all three and some folders that are only shared across two. Moreover, because SugarSync allows you to exclude subfolders, I have subfolders that are not synced, even though the parent folder is.

I’m not sure what techs you were talking to — but they need to find a new job!

Paul

No big deal for me. I started out with the 60GB and upgraded to the 100GB because they are they only ones who provided what I needed.
Free is always great but I would never stake my business on it.

Benjamín Xolotl Torres Luna

Does anyone know of a free cloud app where I can do the same as sugarsync (sync any folder and not just one)?

Steve Steiner

If you are looking to share folders and are ok with none of the files living on the cloud, bittorrent sync is something that provides flexibility that is hard to find elsewhere (it works a little like Microsofts Live Mesh did before they killed it). On the cloud, Open Drive is one good option, however I haven’t played with sharing on it much. Or there is always things like Dropbox, or one of their many, many competitors. There are enough alternatives to sugarsync, it shouldn’t be a problem finding a replacement, but for many of them, the featureset will be just a little different. However sometimes just a little different, can be better for your individual situation.

Aris FM

Try Cubby, on Windows I just need to right click on any folder and select “Make this folder a cubby”.

Steve Steiner

That might work, I used Cubby for a bit when it was in the spotlight being lauded as a potential replacement for Windows Live Mesh in its earlier days, so this isn’t a criticism towards you, just my experience regarding it. As it came out of beta it (and Aero FS) started to be too restrictive for what I need. It is perfect for some people, but I like that with BT Sync, you can sync an unlimited amount for free from computer to computer, and since it uses the bittorrent protocol, you don’t rely on or strain a company. While it was made by someone, if the makers cease to exist or develop it tomorrow, it will continue to work (not that I am concerned about that with other companies usually, but it is nice to know that not only is it free, but that I am not hogging someone else’s resources using it). For me, the cloud component to most other services actually became a limiting factor. Most companies reasonable charged a fee if you wanted to sync to them and someone else, so if I had several hundred MB or GB I wanted to send to my friend in France, it would be a problem without upgrading or getting creative, sending a bit at a time because it is limited by their cloud component and the storage they are providing. With Bittorrent Sync, there is no cloud intermediary where the files go to, so I can just sync directly to him, or keep certain folders in sync across all my computers directly. Just a distinction, since everyone has different needs.

Kevin

Nope, LogMeIn is not trustworthy. They have a crappy history of dealing with existing customers, they often change their minds about costs, business model, service offerings, and so on. Any LogMeIn service should be dumped immediately.

Cynthia & Bunny

Barb – I am the lead organizer of the Freemium Meetup which started in April 2012 and has had an event with 2-3 speakers nearly every month since then. It’s my belief that freemium conversion rates for SaaS are typically 1-2% ***at best*** and a few superstar posterchild SaaS freemium apps are doing 3-4%. Mobile only apps are typically < half a percent. Again, this is my impression after listening to all of our speakers and chatting with hundreds of Freemium Meetup attendees. Very few vendors will actually state their conversion rates, and even if they do it is often complicated to understand exactly what is in the numerator and denominator (e.g. is cohorts analysis after 2 years part of the equation?)

http://www.meetup.com/freemium

Cynthia & Bunny

It’s hard to track because almost no vendors will reveal their conversion rates. If you email me at cynthia@kachingle.com I can send you the names of some consultants/industry analysts who have some actual data. And there are household name app vendors in the consumer space that have tens of millions users with less than a 1% conversion rate. You just can’t make it up in volume (unless your VCs patiently fund you till one of the Big 5 left standing buy you. Or not.)

Even though I founded and run the Freemium Meetup, I am the atheist in church. It should be obvious to even the most casual observer the truth in what SugarSync’s CEO Mike Grossman says — offering free storage indefinitely is “not a very sustainable model.” Is this not obvious?

What’s even more obvious is the cloud file management vendors that are hosting on Amazon are losing even more money! Amazon is the cloud storage Gold Rush’s Levi Strauss. BTW, we have had speakers at our meetup from both SugarSync and Amazon (AWS).

Tom

It’s not a birthright and it’s no big deal if one has to pay for a service. If they offer good service I’d rather see them earn money than go out of business.
What I find strange, though, is the way they make the switch:
Two months’ notice to clean out your stuff and an offer to get a rebate for the first year which is just a little better than the usual offers they gave out every now and then.

Not that I think that anyone is entitled to get something for free but if there hadn’t been so many people with free accounts recommending and pushing that service they wouldn’t have gotten so much media coverage and I sorely doubt many people would know the company name.
It’s easy to look down on “freeriders” but they’re the ones that testdrive new products and do the marketing for the startups. I have 40+ GBs of storage there because I got them three paid accounts (and was rewarded with 30GB of storage for that) which are still active (whether others who I referred later upgraded I don’t know, so it might be more). My storage is mostly empty as I have my own storage where I host my files so I’ll just close my account and won’t miss it. But in a way I still feel cheated for getting kicked out after gaining them customers and having cost them nothing, really.

Just a thought for all those people who think people who have free accounts are all just jerks who are too cheap to pay for services. Lots of early adopters make and shape those services and contribute a lot to the growth and publicity of those companies…

Steve Steiner

“It’s not a birthright and it’s no big deal if one has to pay for a service. If they offer good service I’d rather see them earn money than go out of business.” Agreed. The problem is, in some places (such as Lan Syncing, or having it work well on Linux), it isn’t a good service. A few years ago, we decided that my company, would start using SugarSync (I would even have characterized myself as a SugarSync evangelist), got one huge account, and started divvying out to people in the office using free accounts. In their forums, they were saying things like lan syncing and other features that didn’t exist yet were on the roadmap. Then, about a year later, we started to realize some of SugarSyncs short comings, got tired of waiting for promised features (that still haven’t materialized), and started to urge users elsewhere, even though we haven’t completely phased it out. This just means, that before Feburary, we will finish moving elsewhere, and have one less monthly bill. Again, I am all for paying for a good service, but in the case of sugarsync, we were already tired of waiting for it to become a good service. So long SugarSync.

By the way, I know what you mean about feeling a little jilted about loosing the free space they gave you because of referrals. I referred many, many people. It isn’t a big problem that I am loosing my account, but I did help bring them business, and for a while at the beginning, I had a 500GB personal account before I moved on.

Stephen Wigmore

What a total load of rubbish. They currently offer 5GB of free storage and the first paid option is 60GB for $75. I’ll happily pay $7.50 for 6GB but have no need to put my entire hard drive online. What the hell sugarsync?

bushman

u complaining they giving u too much? crazy, take the 60 and then put 6

wreichard

That is totally the problem. We’re not just paying for what we need…we’re paying for years of their hope that they had a business model. Meanwhile at someplace like owncube.com you can get 25GB for $2/mo. I’m not shilling for them…it’s just an example of how wrongly companies are thinking about these problems. The MBA in me would tell them their challenge is to come up with some new value.

Madlyb

These folks have the same challenge as ISP did 20 years ago, where it was a buyers market and you could just about survive off the free trials without ever paying anyone because there were so many vendors vying for your business.

This area needs some healthy consolidation to drive maturity and proper adoption.

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