Oracle vs Google — What the Web Is Saying


The dust isn’t going to settle soon on yesterday’s news of Oracle claiming that Google (s goog) infringed upon seven of its patents through code used in the Android operating system. Indeed, Oracle’s (s orcl) complaint is generating interest and speculation not only with regard to Android, but also to other platforms that use Java, which Oracle has owned since purchasing Sun in January of this year. For now, however, the focus is on Google Android, which has recently surpassed both iOS (s aapl) worldwide and the BlackBerry (s rimm) platform in the U.S. The complaint isn’t a cut-and-dry open source case, as I’ve learned from various sources — and it probably should have been expected. Here’s what the web is saying:

Miguel de Icaza, a programmer instrumental in the creation of the GNOME desktop environment for Linux, says the history for the current complaint started before Android was even born, as Google and Sun couldn’t agree on Java ME licensing terms:

When it became clear that they would not be able to reach an agreement, Google started a project to replace Java Micro Edition and they used some clever engineering techniques that blended the best of both worlds. It is likely that during these negotiations, Google threatened to build their own Java runtime and Sun countered with a list of patents. This would explain why Google went through the trouble of making the Dalvik virtual machine explicitly incompatible with the existing Java virtual machine instructions.

Although Dalvik uses a different set of instructions, Google created a translator that recompiled Java code into Dalvik code, and with this, they worked around whatever licensing technicalities they were aware at the time of the negotiations.

Needless to say, Sun was not happy with Dalvik. Not only because Sun had lost a large licensing deal, but also because it had the potential of becoming the de-facto Java virtual machine that everyone on the embedded space would pick instead of Sun’s own Java Micro Edition.

David Vellante, founder of the Wikibon Project, points out that Google’s creation of the Dalvik Virtual Machine — where Android apps actually run — was a must for Google because Sun left out one key component for mobiles when Sun open-sourced Java:

“In the license there is a “Classpath Exception” which is a crucial provision (see last paragraph) that allows developers to link their code to Java without the need to fall under a GPL license—meaning developers can make their own licensing terms and not be bound by GPL. Here’s the rub – Sun only included the Classpath Exception for the core Java platform – it’s not included the mobile edition. So Sun brilliantly appeared to be playing open source benefactor while at the same time keeping control of the mobile side of the equation (i.e. the rights to the gold mine).

Google, realizing what Sun had done, developed an end run strategy to Sun’s move, which resulted in Dalvik. Davlik (sic) is a virtual machine, similar to the VMs in Java or .Net. Google developed it from scratch (most likely with the team of Java engineers it hired in mid last decade). Google made Davlik (sic) open source skirting Sun’s GPL license (which doesn’t include the Classpath Exception for mobile). Because of Davlik (sic), Google doesn’t have to ship Java Virtual Machine with Android yet its Android developers can still use the core Java integrated development environment (IDE). Google gets to have its cake (leveraging the Java community) and eat it too (by shipping its own VM with Android thus skirting Sun’s licensing terms).”

While many in the tech world were surprised by Oracle filing complaint against Google, high level people formerly at Sun aren’t surprised. James Gosling, known as the “father of Java” for creating the original design of the language, almost expected such a situation:

“Oracle finally filed a patent lawsuit against Google. Not a big surprise. During the integration meetings between Sun and Oracle where we were being grilled about the patent situation between Sun and Google, we could see the Oracle lawyer’s eyes sparkle. Filing patent suits was never in Sun’s genetic code. Alas….”

Now that some of the history and details of why this complaint even exists, some are looking forward to potential implications. Florian Mueller, a software developer and government affairs professional, worries on the FOSS Patents blog that Google may only protect itself and not partners in the Android ecosystem:

In the WebM context I have previously pointed out that Google must demonstrate its willingness and ability to protect those who adopt its open source technologies, such as Android and WebM.

It would be very disappointing to see Google settle its dispute with Oracle on a basis that would take care only of Google but not of the wider Android ecosystem, including but not limited to the makers of Android-based phones.

If nothing else, the current complaint emphasizes at least two key points. First, the term of “open source” is bandied around far too often without full understanding of what is — and what isn’t — covered by the phrase. The licensing of open source code bit are surely going to be scrutinized more in the future as a result. And secondly, Oracle may have finally found something in Java that Sun sought but struggled to find: a way to make money thanks to the reliance of Java on mobiles.


David Sachdev

Thanks for the great article and the corrections. It has been interesting to hear Gosling and Nutter speak on this issue, and quite frankly I think we will look back on this lawsuit in the coming years and point to it as a catalyst for wherever Java is at that point. I personally wonder the path the language and the platform are going to take. I also wonder if we are going to see the rise of something on it’s own unique platform such as Google Go. I was expecting Google to foster Java development going forward, but I wonder how much that is in their roadmap now.

dave lewis

What I hate seeing is Android fanboys referring to Oracle as SCOracle. They weren’t shouting that when Sun successfully sued Microsoft for doing the exact same thing Google is doing and won $1.6 billion out of it.

Lawyer Up

Remember this is the same Oracle that took on the U.S. Gubmint AND WON !! Not Scared. Go Larry Go.

I hope they prove how sneaky and underhanded The Google really is. Google’s evil underbelly is showing!

Can you smell that ?
That my friend is the rancid stench of pure evil emanating from the Pirate HQ in Mountain View, CA !
It is enough to make a professional software engineer puke up his innards. Excuse me while i settle my stomach with a cold brew.

P.S. I suggest Steve and Larry pool their vast resources and play some serious hardball with Google copycat coders. It may be time to go Roman on them. This is gonna be fun to watch.


I wonder what long-term effects this is going
to have for Oracle and Java.

The long-term effect will be everyone will know you can’t f with Oracle, which is exactly what big companies like that want other big companies to think, or else they end up like Sun.

And everyone will know that when Google says something is “free” … check the fine print.


I think Oracle is going to crush Google in court with this. Google was too clever by half. You have to be a PhD nerd to even understand the hair that Google split here.

Imagine a judge hearing how Java programmers use Java tools to write Java code, but instead of running in the Java VM that Google did not want to license, they are put through a “translator” and now run in Google’s free “Dalvik” VM, no license fees required! Magic!


I wonder what long-term effects this is going to have for Oracle and Java. Even if Google pays, who is going to trust them from here on out?

Toby Schumacher

So Sun brilliantly appeared to be playing open source benefactor while at the same time keeping control of the mobile side of the equation …

Remove “Sun” and “open source” and you have a Madlib about the Google/Verizon deal. Google learned very quickly I see. Actually, I’m surprised that Oracle struck now. I mean Android is on the way to global domination but not there yet. There is real gold to be had when they do have 90% of all mobile phones. If Google is smart, just back up a truck of money to Oracle to make this go away.

Tim F.

Brilliantly dying and selling itself to the highest (only) bidder? Sun was NOT brilliant, they were gutless and confused for a decade.

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