Facebook vs. Zynga: The Turf War

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Zynga and Facebook have had an extremely symbiotic and mutually lucrative relationship to date, but after the social network tried to use its weight to hold its leading social gaming application maker captive, Zynga looks to be mad as hell.

Let’s quickly recap how, up until this recent turn of events, co-dependent Zynga and Facebook have been:

* Zynga’s FarmVille and other social games have given many users a reason to join and spend enormous amounts of time on Facebook;

* By dedicating nearly 100 percent of its energy to building Facebook games, Zynga got tremendous traction that built on itself and through viral channels;

* Zynga’s ad buys have accounted for a significant portion of Facebook’s revenue for the last couple of years;

* Zynga was able to monetize and grow to a formidable status in the social gaming market in an incredibly short time (it was recently estimated to be worth $5 billion);

* Zynga CEO Mark Pincus himself was an early Facebook investor and Zynga, like Facebook, has significant investment from Facebook investor Digital Sky Technologies.

Zynga CEO Mark Pincus

But the social network and the social game builder have hit a rough patch. Zynga is by all reports not going to take it any more. Facebook wants to unite payments across its platform with Facebook Credits, from which it takes a hearty 30 percent cut. Zynga and other social game developers feel that’s usurious. And this was after Facebook altered its messaging channels, directly impacting Zynga’s ability to connect with its users and recruit new ones.

After negotiations with Facebook over credits and a firmer long-term relationship turned ugly, Zynga is now moving forward with plans to become a gaming platform of its own, reports TechCrunch, which published this email from an anonymous source:

Pincus announced at a 5pm meeting yesterday at Zynga that Zynga was going to launch a social game network called Zynga Live. The Zynga Live initiative was a social gaming network. Facebook and Zynga has been negotiating on Facebook Credits and the talks turned for the worst. In the negotiation process, Facebook shut off Zynga’s feeds and threatened to shut down games. Zynga in the process threatened to completely leave Facebook and prepared to do so in the previous upcoming weeks.

If you want to know what Zynga’s gaming network might look like, check out our story on Pincus’ keynote from the Inside Social Apps conference a couple weeks ago, a call to arms for app developers to preserve the integrity of their “app economy.”

Pincus said he thinks a proper application economy will require tools that create a consistent social gaming experience as users move between applications on the web. First, an “app bar,” would follow users around, enticing them to navigate back to their games — like the one from Meebo (which is tying up with other social web services through XAuth), the “social games bar”launched today by Heyzap, or the one expected to be launched by Facebook soon. Pincus said such efforts have the added benefit of increased engagement and revenues for publishers and networks who use the bar.

Second, apps need properly tuned user communication channels, Pincus said. These should be open enough to allow apps to grow through reaching out to their users, but closed enough to prevent obtrusive and annoying communication.

Third, an app economy would require universal social feeds that follow users around the web. This would allow users to connect feeds between destinations and activities, for instance sending activity in one game to a narrowcasted group of their friends on a certain network. When Zynga tested narrowcasting, or enabling users to share updates with a certain group of their friends, sharing increased 400 percent, Pincus said.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg

Pincus’ rallying cry for the app economy can be directly contrasted with Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s announcements at his company’s f8 conference the day after. Zuckerberg hardly paid lip service to on-Facebook applications at f8 — he instead laid out Facebook’s plans to colonize the rest of the web. I talked to one app developer in the parking lot who noted that there wasn’t a single session directly relevant to him throughout the whole day.

Zuckerberg’s new focus was also completely off-topic for Zynga’s interests. It seemed as if Facebook used Zynga to get to its current scale — remember, before the Facebook platform launch in 2007, the network had only 24 million active users! — and now has little reason to give it favorable treatment. But even so, Zynga is not going to go independent anytime soon. Dropping Facebook would be dropping its whole business. This is about diversifying.

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34 Comments

Darlene

I play Mafia Wars on MySpace and facebook. I like my MySpace game better because I have been playing it for a good deal longer than facebook. MySpace has basically been dropped by Zynga even though we are still able to pay for upgraded equipment. There have been no upgrades with the game itself in ages. Zynga should make their own web site like pogo did when they broke away from AOL.

Geoff

I use to play Mafia Wars on another site, I would spend hours on it as I had invested the time to improve my player. When Zynga and the other site had a dispute, Zynga walked away after a while. I’m still on the other site, about once every 2 months. Most of the people that were playing there have now moved to Facebook. Although I was given a ‘sweetner’ for moving my gaming to Facebook, it was still a complete pain having to start again from scratch, and throwing away 5 yrs of my time. Lets just hope that they are going to sort it out

aaldrik

the problem is >>>>>> MONEY !!
They all wanna urn big money !

Money , money , money

Jean Suttle

I only joined facebook to play games with family members and old friends. We all play the Zynga games. If they leave, I have 5000 friends who also will follow them, and I am a new player! I think facebook is asking way too much from Zynga when they bring them so much business. All my groups plan to follow Zynga to Zynga Live if thats what is necessary.

KELINDA FISHER

wat i want to know im one of a few that has spent alot of real money on this game and for example i have 29 houses on yoville wat will happen to our houses and items if the change is made will we be reinmbursed for way we have spent or will they automatically be changed over without losing a thing

Anthony

So where does that leave those Face-book MW players who’ve invested tons of real money and time to gain all those weapons, levels and stats? Out in the cold just the way Zynga did to the MySpace users?

brien

Zynga leaves facebook = Zynga leaves the social consciousness. I don’t think enough people love FarmVille enough to check it outside of their Facebook experience, but I guess that’s just my opinion.

Charmaine

A business deal that turns sour. FB and Zynga should capitalize on each other strength to succeed.

abdu

That what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket and more alarming when the basket, aka facebook, is fickle.

Facebook changes its rules any time and any way it likes.

Sharon

If Zynga can’t fix it’s problems with accepting Farmville gifts, It won’t matter where they have their games, I won’t play them! I have tried for a week to get them to fix a prblem I have been having and they answer the e-mail with a standard “we are working on it but we need mor information” e-mail…..still haven’t done anything to fix the problem so I haven’t been playing my favorite games run by them.

Sanjay Maharaj

This is not a suprise and the breakoff and parting of way is porbably better that it happend now rather then later.
One mistake I have always believed Facebook made in that it should have followed the iTunes app model in taking a cut from the begining on the apps so it would not have faced this situation and be seen as opportunist.
The success and brand recognition Zynga now has will enable it to survive on its own should it go that route

r

content creators trump platforms when platforms stymie innovation. go zynga!

don

Jim Parsons (as Sheldon) was paid for the ball pit scene, right?

FB can bite the hind quarters and stop trying to rule the world. The air heads that continually attempt to attach themselves to everyone’s personal computer / world / business / MONEY should have the Axe of Obama come down on their necks.

When I want to surf the web, I don’t want some body getting into my business. Stay the hell out of my / everyone’s business!

MyLocator (tm)

Their jus’ posturing. Simple case of who’s your daddy? “Lets Make a Deal” when Mark plays Monty? LiveTribe sounds good to me.

Anon

While the premise of the article is possibly right, doesn’t it strike you as a bit odd that if Facebook threatened to shut them down and if they are now mouthing Zynga Live to everyone, maybe Facebook would actually carry out it’s threat now and leave them in transitional trouble?

bob

Zynga is better off with a deal with Google. Google needs a foot in the social graph search to stomp Facebook. A deal like that would trounce FB plans. I think FB is better off paying Zynga at this point.

MisterK

It’s not in Zynga’s best interest to really fight this one. This 30% is going to become fairly standard, now (it’s what Apple gets from every sale and in-app microtransaction, also). Facebook is where the people are and I’d rather get 70% of a billion than 100% of a hundred.

Zynga’s best bet is to be everywhere: Facebook, Apple devices, Android, PC Downloadable. Users will probably not switch platforms for these games, but Zynga could certainly gain more users by being ubiquitous on any platform. Remember that their “high road” is still to make and sell games that can’t be won unless the user spends real money on fake tractors, horses etc.; I think they know what this money grabbing thing is about.

Liz Gannes

That seems inevitable to me. I think the hard part will be how far can they move off FB’s identity system. Zynga has already started a push to get user emails but it would be difficult to create as much value as FB has given them with the social graph and viral channels.

Gurth

This reminds very much of the Premium SMS industry and the carriers who prevent the passing on of MSISDNs to stop scamming / billing subscriptions.

harish

Really good report. I enjoyed the recap.
That being said, Liz, do you think there’s a chance Zynga is looking for a sweeter deal with say, MySpace or even Orkut( hah, that’s only in case they want more Brazilian users to play their games)?
Facebook of late has had some issues, what with the privacy brouhaha and now this one. Their dominance has ensured a smooth ride for Zynga so far and vice versa. But for Zynga, a lot of people would spend less time on FB.
I’d ideally like them to work something out. What are the chances of that happening? From the tone of your article(which is very fair, but does give a feeling that Facebook might have been Apple-ish), I gather Zynga faces a tough choice.
Thanks for a great article. Much appreciated.

Liz Gannes

Thanks Harish. The problem for Zynga is nobody can give them a sweeter deal. That’s why they’re talking up starting their own thing.

timomj

Very good article, thanks! It is very difficult to forecast which way the power struggle will turn. I personally believe it comes down to simple economics – which way the mega-developers like Zynga will get most users with least money (e.g. via referrals elsewhere than Facebook plus paid online adverstisin, vs Facebook domain).

yreadthis

Face-book has beaten the Orkut in INDIA…Let’s see more about zynga when it comes in to India

Kim

I am not surprise this is happening. Zynga is why a lot of people started using Facebook, and they could easily survive on their own. Facebook may push too far

Chris

Considering Zynga super spams Facebook, I am not surprised that Facebook wants 30 percent. All of these apps have used Facebook and paid very little. No, Zynga does not bring a lot of people to Facebook. Most join Facebook and then they join Zynga once they see the game posts all over the feed. If Zynga leaves, then we will at least be able to see other posts and such without them taking over the feed constantly. No, I won’t start over on FarmVille if Zynga decides to split. That would mean getting neighbors all over again…etc. I would just wait until an FV replacement came along.

SachielRising

Chris, When Zynga leaves, how much time will you spend on Facebook reading your friends boring play by play status updates in your Zynga free feeds? Sure we all started playing the games AFTER joining Facebook but we all spend at least 80% of our Facebook time playing the games and the other game apps dont compare to Zynga apps. I have about a hundred FB friends added that I know personally, the other 4000 ‘friends’ are for the Zynga games I play. Before I started playing the games (almost 2 yrs ago) I might have signed into Facebook for 3 mins once a month, but because of Zynga I spend 30 mins-2hrs everyday on Facebook. There is NO reason for me to check into Facebook more that a few mins a day if Zynga isnt there. I can see why Zynga is pissed, they have over 100 million active users on Facebook and we know many of them are setting on Facebook for hrs throughout the day because of the games. Surely Facebook advertisers will take notice that Facebook user traffic will be cut in half and that half will spend about 80% less time signed into Facebook if Zynga takes its ball somewhere else. … maybe those advertisers will follow their consumers over to Zynga as well.

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