Microsoft Predicted to Back Away from Vista

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When it comes to technology debacles, every major company has a few (remember the Newton?), but right now one of the top spots has to go to Windows Vista, Microsoft’s clunky operating system that has IT shops and consumers desperately clutching at XP for as long as they can.

Jason Hiner over at Tech Republic thinks there may be a light at the end of the Vista tunnel; he predicts IT shops and consumers will have a chance within the next year to upgrade to a cleaner, more modular version of Windows Vista under the Windows 7 moniker. It won’t be a completely new OS but rather a more streamlined version of Vista. He also suggests the pricing for consumers will be lower in an effort to win back those who are turning to Macs.

This could be another step by Microsoft toward shedding cumbersome release cycles and creating software that can be updated every year or so via a subscription model. Hiner lays out a nice case, and as a consumer who once was stuck with a laptop running Windows ME, I have to hope that before the third strike (Vista being the second), Microsoft can score a hit.

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Jeff little

HAHAHAHA win people back for the Mac….

Once you go Mac you never go back!

steamwire

When Win ME came out I almost bought a Mac.
Then XP came out and I fell in love with windows again.

Now there’s Vista. I’m buying a Mac and I’m putting XP on it.

Alexander

There are a lot of people that say that all these thing said here are from people who use apple and are jealus, also that vista work on their computers with no problem etc.
I have never used a mac so i am not a fanboy or anything..

the thing is that VISTA dont work in business environment, its not about home use its about companies and that is the main problem. For example i work at shipping and we have major problems with programs used for our job. also my father owns a medical center and he has great problems with connections between vista and xp laptops in different departments. Also think about the amount of money needed to change laptops and buy vista that dont work! Even for middle sized companies it is a fair amount…

Chris

Your comment regarding a 2nd strike is a bit off. I’d consider XP to be a home run. Now I don’t understand baseball, as I’m not an American or fan of the sport, but if you get one strike, then a home run, the second strike wouldn’t count?

Basically, XP is a solid platform in my experience. Vista isn’t too shabby either (just a bit of a resource hog).

Richard

To quote Bryan ” 2) young 20-something geeks who’ve been made uncomfortable by their first real operating system change. The (2) crowd are uncomfortable having to learn new things (they had gotten good at XP), and especially don’t like hunting around and looking less knowledgeable (having to actually read dialogs or, gasp!, use the ‘Help & Support’ system) when trying to configure their mom’s new Vista machine.”

From your esteemed old age time may seem to flow slowly compared to a ‘young buck’, however I can assure you that a “young 20-something geek” has probably already done several Operating System changes. They probably started on Windows 95, upgraded to 98. Hopefully they didn’t upgrade to Windows ME (you did say geek so they should know better). Then the would have upgraded to Windows XP, probably changed straight back to good ole 98 for stability that was lacking in XP at release. Around Service pack 1 they would have reinstalled XP and used it ever since.

If they were actual ‘geeks’ they probably had MSDOS also, not to mention the various distro’s of Linux also. Oh and lets not count the Windows 2000 they have a copy of somewhere ‘just to see whats different’. Likely they stayed away from Macs.

Apart from the first OS, they probably installed/upgraded all by themselves, this job probably delegated to them after Dad asked which side is up on the CD?

I know this because I am a ’20 something geek’ (actually 19 but assuming rounding to 2SF :P)

anons

Yawn. Getting very tired of the mindless Vista bashing going on.

It works great for me and for the people I know who have it (it did get much better with SP1).

What does it have that XP doesn’t? Lets see: (1) It is far more secure (2) Much improved audio subsystem (3) Better driver model allowing driver installations without reboots (4) Beautiful modern interface (5) Nicer fonts (5) More productive start menu (6) Integrated search (7)great suspend and resume (8) A totally kick-ass media center

Seriously people if you haven’t tried Vista on modern hardware with SP1 please stop with all the negative comments. In my experience its the most productive OS I’ve used and I’ve used a few: linux in many variants, MacOSX Win3K, XP, etc…

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shannon

Well this is true bout all OS. I myself just orders Vista and cant wait to install it:) Wish me luck yall:)

x

Have Vista Ultimate, and really like it. But, just yesterday went back to XP, because of plenty really small niggles, such as:
* Vista SP1 with NO apps running takes 65-70% of memory (2GB)
* Every reboot, my logmon stops working
* Takes 20-30 seconds to open IE, about 45-60 seconds for FireFox
* Surf a couple of pages in FireFox, and get “close FF, takes too much memory” warnings. On XP I can have 30-40 tabs open, all with photos, vids, etc.
* STUUUPID UAC. Can’t get Winrar to run from context menu. Have to do 3 or 4 clicks for every “un-verified” app started.
* Slow reboot, slow wake from hybernation

In the end, I enjoy working with Vista. But after having it for a year, I just want to get back and WORK. Not wait. Not confirm. No pamper. Just switch on, get it done, go on with my life…

Pity…

PHANTOm

If anyone here is saying there’s nothing wrong with vista he’s either an employee or an idiot.
“better sleep/hibernate” – are you kidding me? on xp it took 1/2 minutes for a complete shutdown if my 1 gig of memory is full, on vista 15 minutes if i’m lucky!
“what did you expect with all the extra graphics” – again, ubuntu beryl has superior graphics, and absolutely no penalty on performance on the same hardware!
i was on vista for 8 months before downgrading, it was a pain!
multiple versions that allow me to do less then i previously could, after downgrading i discovered i can send faxes again.
it’s very not smart of them to add the reliability graph showing system hangs and restarts, the graph just spiked at 20+ restarts a week.

karl aisbitt

maybe i,m just lucky but ive experienced no problems with vista whatsoever i find it faster , pleasing on the eye, and ease of use is brilliant i remember all the whiners who when switching to xp from windows 98 were saying xp stands foe xtra problems but we just gritted our teeth and got on with it. I THINK PEOPLE JUST LIKE TO MOAN FOR THE SAKE OF MOANING!!..

Aaron

I’ve had Vista for about 4 months now and I must say I’ve very few problems at all. I’ve NEVER had a crash since I’ve installed Vista, which happened with my old XP machine fairly regularly (force restart a few times a week).

I must admit that the pre-set Vista settings leave a bit to be desired (I turned UAC off), and it took a while to learn where a few things had moved to, but after a bit of configuring, it is just the way I want it to be. And I did need to install a virtual XP machine to run a piece of specialized stats software that they have yet to release a Vista compatible version of (it’s coming though).

I like the gooey graphics (my computer can handle them), the sidebar, and having a half-decent search feature. And being able to use a full 4GB of RAM is cool too.

I take people’s argument about the labeling of “Vista-capable” machines, but that is something that will be settled in the courts (MS were deceptive and stupid there).

Winnipeg Headache

Most people use their powerful computers for little more than email ( outlook express) , browsing occasionally and most proudly as “solitaire machines”
For them they will tell you that “I love Vista” or “Vista is fine ” or “Vista is OK” or “Not too bad”
I guess some gamers need vista for high end new games that require the latest versions of direct X
Most would be better off with an x box or an x box 360
XP was perfectly fine for almost all
Lots of people who would never of considered a Mac have bought Macs instead of Vista
An upgrade to Vista is a downgrade
Yet again my idiot friend Perry advised me “that everyone is going Vista “

Winnipeg Headache

Most people use their powerful computers for little more than email ( outlook express) , browsing occasionally and most proudly as “solitaire machines”
For them they will tell you that “I love Vista” or “Vista is fine ” or “Vista is OK” or “Not too bad”
I guess some gamers need vista for high end new games that require the latest versions of direct X
Most would be better off with an x box or an x box 360
XP was perfectly fine for almost all
Lots of people who would never of considered a Mac have bought Macs instead of Vista
An upgrade to Vista is a downgrade
Yet again my idiot friend Perry advised me “that everyone is going Vista “

charles

from anecdotal evidence (my experiences and those of people i know) vista is flawed in many ways. imo those who would most notice the problems with vista aren’t peoplw running middle of the road systems but rather people on the extremes with older hardware, budget systems and the advanced users that have complex and often custom systems. The complaints aren’t hype, in fact if you’ve paid attention to the “vista capable” suit the documents released during discovery show that microsoft was well aware of SOME (not all) of the problems that customers wood encounter with vista and complained themselves about the short comings of O.S.
here’s a link for some of the internal docs and emails from microsoft released during discovery
blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/library/vistaexhibitsone.pdf

Travis Stoliker

That title was a bait, this story isn’t about Microsoft backing away from vista. This potential win7 is a different product for a different market and both products will be successful, I imagine.

Bryan

If Jason Hiner really believes in the “improvements” he suggested in that article, he’s a populist fool. I don’t like making such in-your-face pronouncements, but this one is deserved.

He believes that most important improvement MS could make would be to remove UAC … which also happens to be the most important security improvement Vista has to offer. It may need more work, but to remove it would be folly, resulting in another five years of hearing how bad Windows security is and how many zombie PCs run Windows.

The Vista backlash found in comment threads attached to blogs, news posts, forums, and such is a result of basically two relatively small and vocal groups of people: 1) the MS-hating Linux crowd going on the offensive with a smear campaign, and 2) young 20-something geeks who’ve been made uncomfortable by their first real operating system change. The (2) crowd are uncomfortable having to learn new things (they had gotten good at XP), and especially don’t like hunting around and looking less knowledgeable (having to actually read dialogs or, gasp!, use the ‘Help & Support’ system) when trying to configure their mom’s new Vista machine. UAC ticks them off because they had gotten to the point where they could click through seven dialogs in 3 seconds flat, without any thought. YOU could play Windows like a game of PAC-MAN, and now that the levels have all changed, they’re getting low scores.

Neither of these crowds represents the mainstream business or home user; both of whom want a stable system that JustWorks(TM) when they need to get their email, surf the web, or write their weekly report. This class of user is getting a much more stable and secure system in Vista.

Tom

I think this article is nonsense. We heard it all when XP was launched (probably from the same guys). Vista runs without flaws here; yup it surprised me too.

Matthew T

I agree with Carmelo Lisciotto

A very interesting set of experiences

Frederick M Raposa

I really like my VISTA Ultimate and have no problems at all.
Microsoft has got to come up with something really good ( and nothing less ) for me to upgrade from VISTA.

I do however have a potential cure for those that have VISTA issues
Just get a real computer and not one of those COSCO specials…

Carmelo Lisciotto

An interesting set of experiences!!

Carmelo Lisciotto

Carmelo Lisciotto

An interesting set of experiences!!

Carmelo Lisciotto

jack

I must agree, I can’t complain about Vista very much. While I don’t think its a huge step up from XP, there are some very business friendly advancements, including better sleep/hibernate performance, better OS file security, better profile management, and better offline files operation. And I’ve had no problems on computers ranging from a simple Dell 630 laptop (business class, nothing fancy) to a home build SLI workstation with dual 8800s.
People complained endlessly when XP was released. It was the worst thing ever. MS screwed up, I’ll keep 2000. Rawr rawr rawr.
There’s only a few compelling reasons to switch to Vista, but the FUD spreading “Skip Vista” crowd is way off base. There’s no good reason to avoid it like the plague so many people seem to think it is.

bob descartes

I’ve had nothing but good things to say about my experiences with Vista PCs. I must admit I do have the external USB HD issues since installing SP1 however.

John

Hopefully they ditch the dozen or so different versions/platforms/combinations of vista available. The average user hasn’t a clue whether they need (or want) Ultimate, Premium, Home, School/Education, 64bit, 32bit, upgrade, full distributions of the OS. I can’t imagine that the money spent keeping all these multiple versions in different boxes and managing the marketing etc of each is made up in sales more so than if just one version were available. That’s it.. put it on one single DVD and sell it for one price. MS just likes to model the physical experience of purchasing their software as frustrating as using it.

Rick

I spent a lot of money for Vista. I purchased top dollar PC and laptop because of necessary Graphics cards. What’s wrong with Vista?…

What does Vista do that XP can’t do, except for some fancy graphics that cost more than it’s worth. I spent countless hours on drivers for wireless cards and graphic cards. My fans sound like a freaking west Texas dust storm and makes me shut the machines down, then I just hope they wake up correctly (many times have to reboot). Responsiveness in both Vista and Microsoft apps are pathetically slow due to Aero graphics.

So I turned off most of my Aero graphics settings the other day. Wow! nice piece of software. And I paid for it.

Biggest problem is under the hood. It’s a big bloated bunch of spaghetti code. Inefficient and error-prone.

Glad they’re upgrading but will cost me more.

austinandrew

I’ve been pleasantly surprised by MS Vista as well. I’m using the business version and like the built in ghosting/backup tool. With the exception of Quickbooks, all of my software works on Vista.

I think most of the horror stories have to do with the early launch. Most of the wrinkles have been worked out now.

Thomas

Ok, what exactly is wrong with Vista? I’ve heard Mac fanatics (mainly the annoying commercials) spreading lies about it, but not a single accusation has been true in my experience. I’ve had Vista at home for months now and it’s works great. All the same software and hardware I used on XP works perfectly on Vista with 1GB RAM. I had to download a Vista driver for a few things (took all of 30 seconds each), but that’s expected when changing to a new OS regardless of how good or bad it supposedly is. I did the same thing when I went from 2000 to XP.

Now I’m sure some people have had problems and certainly not everyone uses the same hardware/software that I do, but I’ve seen no justification for the widespread criticism.. other than Mac jealousy perhaps.

Alan Wilensky

Without a doubt, this here Windows XP shop was fat and happy, until we ordered 3 new Lenovo laptops with Vista. A uniformly negative experience was had by all, and it lasted for months until Vista was removed and replaced with XP and a few experimental iMacs (a very good experience).

I was so distraught over the lost productivity and several near data corruption disasters on the Vista machines, that I was near to flying to Redmond with a lead pipe, waiting in the parking lot, and hitting anyone I could find and identify as Vista related.

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