TUAW: No Boot Camp for Get a Mac Ads

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TUAW posted an observation that Apple’s Get a Mac campaign page mentions Parallel’s and not Boot Camp.

Oh, how do I say this? Duh? Apple wouldn’t recommend their software for these reasons:

    Boot Camp is a public beta, something that a new customer probably wants to avoid to have a trouble-free experience. Frankly, setting up Boot Camp is a bit of a chore for the new Mac user. Reccomending it to this crowd would be murder.
    Parallels isn’t set to expire after Leopard is release. What? Yes, that’s right. Boot Camp is prebuilt with an expiry date. Besides, I find that many customers prefer Parallels over Boot Camp because rebooting all the time is one of the reasons they switched. Apple did NOT mention Parallels without reservation before it reach release status. Now that it is a ‘real’ product, it is a solution that can be used without much liability.

Speculate all you want about 10.5 and the reasons the Get a Mac site doesn’t bring up Boot Camp as a solution. Until it is announced exactly what Apple plans to include in Leopard, rumors are what they are. The real truth is that Boot Camp isn’t a good solution for the audience they are targeting here.

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Alfanan

I never heard or tried Parallel before.

I’m sick of having to restart every time I want to swich from one OS to the other. I’ve always wanted to find a way to go about this, but rebooting seemed to be the only outlet.

This is interesting. I’m looking forward to try it out.

Ryan

“never ever used a webcam, so…”

They still aren’t ‘the same’ spec wise. I never use a card reader than comes on many pc laptops, but it’s still a piece of hardware that costs (not much in a card readers case) money.

“Not if they release it for pc’s.”

They wont, so you’re out of luck there :)

“So in the three years you are going to use a new system you are worrying about two hours setting it up? Oh and laptops do work right out of the box.”

Hey I’M not worrying, I’m just stating some pluses to the mac, that’s all. Laptops usually work out of the box, I suppose… I’ve still seen some huge pains in the ass from manufacturers like HP and e-machines and gateway.

“So it doesent work the way they want out of the box for everybody does it?”

Sure it does, when you order from apple you get the option to upgrade… What’s the problem?

“If it was released for the pc you would get the same deal.”

Again, it wont be.

“n.e.v.e.r. had any problems with drivers on a pc”

Well, ok. I’ve been the manager at a local pc shop for 2 years and worked there as a kid in highschool before that. I’ve been building PC’s for over 10 years and have only been using mac’s for a year… Maybe you haven’t done that much work with PC’s or something but driver problems are a huge, very common problem. Just because you ‘n.e.v.e.r’ had driver problems doesn’t mean it’s still ‘a problem’. Watch this I can say “I a.l.w.a.y.s see driver problems on PC’s.”

Re: AMD

AMD is ahead, maybe not for long because of Core 2 but you’re right. And again, Apple is probably not for you then.

Don’t like they way macbooks look but like dell’s plastic junk? Ok… Again, apple not for you probably.

About itunes and ipod… It’s their product, why do they care if it’s ‘illegal’ in your country? If you don’t like their products or services then you don’t use them. A babysitter is forced on you by your parents because you’re irresponsible, apple is just OFFERING you the service at their terms. And yes, you probably aren’t the kind of person apple cares about having as a customer, doesn’t seem like a pity to me.

Mantiz

Well, the iMac has the built in iSight,” never ever used a webcam, so…
“can run OSX and Winblows,” Not if they release it for pc’s.

“and not only that but it all comes in one box and all works right out of that box,” So in the three years you are going to use a new system you are worrying about two hours setting it up? Oh and laptops do work right out of the box.
And then you go and suggest to Ken “You can upgrade the memory quite cheaply if you aren’t a typical ‘consumer’ user.” – So it doesent work the way they want out of the box for everybody does it?

“there’s no drivers or PITA updates, and it comes with tons of awesome software (such as iLife).” – If it was released for the pc you would get the same deal.
And i n.e.v.e.r. had any problems with drivers on a pc. Oh no i had a problem with the mac of a friend and his printer.

“If you want to choose the processor you put in your system and you want full control over the hardware in it then a Mac is simply not for you and you aren’t the kind of person Apple is aiming for right now.” – Well isn’t that a shame. No really, that if i want to run After effects, photoshop or any heavy program with a decent speed i should not look to Apple because they don’t like amd and if they ever come with something better than intel (they were doing that for the last 3 years) i would be stuck.

But yeah, personaly i don’t like the way macbooks look, but i definetly understand that people do. And they are quiet and small.

Oh and about the itunes ipod thing “why in the world would Apple unlink iPod’s” well because in many countries it’s illegal and they get sued, and because again you can’t CHOOSE they choose for you, i dont need a babysitter. I need to work and listen to music on my own terms. It’s called being productive, and if i have to go to windows or linux to do that then, so be it. Maybe i’m not for mac like you said. Pitty that they are trying to choose their customers as wel.

Ryan

You can upgrade the memory quite cheaply if you aren’t a typical ‘consumer’ user. I have used, and my fiance regularly uses, the new MacBook on her lap without issue. The ‘toothpaste’ white casing ‘as advertised’ (you mean like ‘in the picture’?) is entirely undamaged and looks like new after heavy use since it’s release (ordered a few days after release, got it in about 4-5 days)…

So that brings your total to US $1,199.00 plus tax… oh and you get a free iPod nano.

Stop trolling.

Ken

I want both OSes on the same computer, better design, but I also want enough memory for the OS and apps needs, the ability to use my laptop on my lap, and the toothpaste white casing as advertised for longer than one month’s period.

How much money do I need?

Ryan

“Well guys, have you ever consider people who wants both OS , better design (just admit it!) , AND have money in their pocket?.”

Hmm… Not sure what you’re talking about for the most part… But I have both OS’, a better designed machine and money in MY pocket… What are you getting at?

Stevie

Well guys, have you ever consider people who wants both OS , better design (just admit it!) , AND have money in their pocket?. Try to see things from other’s point of view. I can get a million ways to say that I don’t want your wife!. dumb and regular idiots are such a disgraceful words. Losers!

Ryan

Mantiz,

“I found a pc laptop in a store in my neighborhood that has exactly the technical specs of the $2,799.00 17inch Mac book pro, for $2,131,00 with the only difference being an Intel core duo 2 GHz in the pc, instead of the 2.16GHz in the Mac. But for the rest, identical”

Well, the iMac has the built in iSight, can run OSX and Winblows, and not only that but it all comes in one box and all works right out of that box, there’s no drivers or PITA updates, and it comes with tons of awesome software (such as iLife).

It’s easily worth 600$ to me just to not have to run windows, I must say. But the extras involved make it a no brainer.

That brings me to your point about ‘why make people buy new hardware when their current PC runs it fine’… Apple is a hardware company. The question isn’t why don’t they let you run OSX on any old hardware but why SHOULD they let you. They control the hardware, they know their machines work flawlessly with their OS. If they let you install OSX on, say, an Athlon64 3500 / Asus A8N-E / eVGA 6600GT / 1GB Kingston DDR400 / WD 2500KS / etc then that’s a TON of new hardware they need to support with drivers (one of the things windows has been plagued with for years). Why would they want to do that especially since they’re losing hundreds on every hardware sale they’ve just lost? It makes no sense.

This is the exact same problem as people have with iTunes. Why in the world would Apple unlink iPod’s and the iTMS? You think they make decent money selling songs over the iTMS or selling copies of their OS for half the price of windows xp? No. They make their money selling iPods and Macs.

If you want to choose the processor you put in your system and you want full control over the hardware in it then a Mac is simply not for you and you aren’t the kind of person Apple is aiming for right now.

For me, I work at a custom computer shop, and I’ve built all my own computers for over 10 years. Even so I simply can’t live with windows, the only thing I see it being good for is games, and so really no matter the cost I will buy whatever I have to to get a decent OS. Linux isn’t ready for the desktop and windows is painful at best, therefore Mac OS X, being awesome, is my only option.

If I get a ton of iLike apps and internet explorer is nowhere in sight and I get all the little quirks of the nice hardware (quiet, pretty, easy to setup/move, motion sensor, isight, ambient light sensor with illuminating keyboard, magsafe power adapter, nice power adapters in general (ever used one? it’s so nice), totally brilliant scrolling trackpad, firewire 800, osx’s unix underwear, awesome wireless performance, tons of awesome ‘micro-isv’ software not to mention the pro apps, and so on and so on… then all the better! Why would I want to custom build my machine when apple custom builds machines just the way I want them anyway?!

Mantiz

Taking aside the fact that I found a pc laptop in a store in my neighborhood that has exactly the technical specs of the $2,799.00 17inch Mac book pro, for $2,131,00 with the only difference being an Intel core duo 2 GHz in the pc, instead of the 2.16GHz in the Mac. But for the rest, identical (the specs). Personaly i don’t like paying 600$ extra just because the machine looks good in the eyes of steve.

But you understood me wrong about the software part, I truly LOVE osX, I know there are a lot of programs only for the Mac, and there are a lot only for windows.
But I don’t like the hardware part of the Mac, I don’t have the money to buy one, I like to be able to choose the processor I put into my system, I like/need to upgrade at least twice a year etc.

I know a lot of people who think the same, hate the hardware, love the os.
So what I was trying to say was: Why oh why don’t won’t they release an osX version that runs on pc’s, then there would be a huge amount of people switching.

“What’s the point” of making people buy a more expensive machine to run an os that can run perfectly on the pc you have now. Yes it might be ugly but it doesn’t have to be. If you look a little harder pc’s are not only beige boxes anymore.
It’s just a dumb way to keep people buying your hardware.

womoma

Ryan- I think the “murder” point was that officially reccommending relativly complex, and still beta software [boot camp] with conviction would be “suicide” for Apple because of the support backlash from “regular idiots” .

Ryan – You dont think Parallels and Boot Camp will “persuafe pc people to buy a more expensive machine to run the same software they were running on a pc” ?

Firstly, the macbook, for example offers value at least on par with any similarly specced windows laptop. And thats only when you consider spec, without bringing the dual boot potential into consideration.

Secondly, theres plenty of mac exclusive software, Logic Pro being the first that springs to mind. Of course the Operating System itself, and the choice of both operating systems in one machine is surely a huge incentive.

Finally, there are already plenty of people “making the switch” and theres no doubt that the dual OS potential of intel macs is a major factor in that.

“Whats the point”?
Best of both worlds.

Mantiz

The audience they are targeting here (myself included) would be much happier if there was an official (stable) osX version that runs on a pc.
I would switch in a second and use windows only for gaming.
I’m a student and I really need the 30% extra cash you need to buy a Mac, so the choice is easily made.
I mean, Intel Mac’s are expensive well designed pc’s for the hardware part, well
my pc also looks great on the outside and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Believe it or not there are people who don’t like the way Mac’s look on the outside, funny isn’t it the fact that people like to CHOOSE how their machine looks.
I love osX, it an amazing os, but I hate the more expensive/less upgradeable hardware that comes with it.

Parallels and boot camp are great but I don’t think they will persuade pc people to buy a more expensive machine, to run… the same software they were running on a pc. What’s the point?

Ken

All Adobe & Macromedia apps require Windows as they are slow on intel Macs. AutoCad is a Windows-only application and there’s always a Windows-only application round the corner (I still see offices that run DOS apps!).

For the above examples, users need to be able to jump from one app to the other all the time. Frequent rebooting would be painful though, and Parallels’ solution looks great for that.

Gaming on the other hand is different. When playing in full screen you usually do just that. So it’s affordable to boot into Windows, play your game and reboot into OSX again for everything else.

Gregg

Actually there was a page up where Apple was promoting Boot Camp. Unfortunately I don’t have the URL for it in my history, but it was up there for a little while.

Tom

Quicken for example. The Mac version of Quicken is not as good as the Windows version. If you are a former Windows user as I am, it is impossible to import 15 years of Quicken data from Windows to OS X. It is a travesty that the CEO of Quicken sits on Apple’s BOD –there should be co-equal functionality in both Windows and Mac versions and the file integration/import/export ought to be seamless as well as totally transparent. After all neither are totally new products.

vanni

I feel so strong about the latest issues uncovered by Mark Pilgrim and Tim Bray, regarding Apple’s increasing “closed formats”, that I wish to make the larger Mac community aware of the issues, in the hopes that this concern widens and that we users force Apple to changes it’s course on “closed formats”. I am especially considered with their undocumented changes to Mail.app.

see: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/06/15/Switch-From-Mac
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/06/16/juggling-oranges
and Gruber at
http://daringfireball.net/2006/06/and_oranges

Jesse J. Anderson

I’ve been reading a lot about boot camp and parallels since I got my mac and a lot of people seem to be leaning towards parallels.

This totally confuses me as the only reason I can think to run windows is for running games… and as Ryan said, parallels just doesn’t make sense for that.

Am I alone here? What else are people wanting to use windows on a mac for?

Ryan

Interesting about the ‘murder’ part.

A lot of my windows using buddies say the main reason they would switch is because they are light-medium gamers and they want to run windows games and use osx. Obviously parallels wouldn’t do for these people!

Of course, a person who’s a gamer in the pc world already knows about all the headaches with windows and how to fix them and would likely be able to install bootcamp without apple’s ‘recommendation’.

For the regular idiot I’d have to agree though :)

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