Yeah! 17″ Macbook Pro! Yeah!


I woke up this morning to find that Apple released a 17″ Macbook Pro today. Of note, Dual Layer DVD-RW, Firewire 800 and three USB 2 ports are onboard.

MacBook Pro At a Glance
15.4- or 17-inch widescreen display
Up to 2.16GHz Intel Core Duo
667MHz frontside bus and main memory
PCI Express architecture
Up to 120GB Serial ATA hard drive
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with up to 256MB memory on 16-lane PCI Express
ExpressCard/34 slot
Dual-link DVI, VGA adapter included
FireWire 400, FireWire 800 (17-inch only), and USB 2.0 ports
Optical digital and analog audio I/O, built-in microphone and stereo speakers
Slot-loading SuperDrive
Illuminated keyboard, Scrolling TrackPad
Built-in AirPort Extreme (802.11g), Bluetooth 2.0+EDR, and Gigabit Ethernet
Mac OS X Tiger with iLife ’06 featuring iWeb, iWork ’06 trial, and more
MagSafe Power Adapter


Chris J

I hav’nt tried protools reason rewire yet but I will be in the next couple of days I post and let you know. I am however having problems with installation of midi drivers for my X-Station and MPD 16 I think we have to remember that these machines are very new and still need some updates the quicker the better I say!


Has anybody here actually used ProTools with Reason via ReWire on the core-due MacBook Pro? I can’t seem to get it to work, and wonder if it’s just “lamer-user-errror-101” perhaps??



Even with Core Duo breathing down its neck, I hear the Power Mac G5 isn’t a pushover. And for this reason I think Apple will delay its next desktop until the competitive advantage of an Intel chipset is obvious. Of course this will probably be some 12 to 18 months from now — after the chipmaker has moved to a 45 nm process and has begun to manufacture quad core processors. :)

As far as an entry-level laptop goes, I think Apple will release a new iBook as soon as Intel has begun adding more chips to the Core Duo family (late 2006 I’d imagine). Otherwise, an identical chipset would make iBook about as powerful as Mac Book Pro.

I am betting Apple will adopt a PC outlook where the only ‘constants’ are uniform standards and everything else is in a state of flux. That way the most expensive products will always deliver the highest performance. In other words, you will get what you pay for. ;)

Todd Baur

Considering one of the iBook’s prominent markets is education, and parents tend to buy them for school, it would make sense they would be updated within the next few months. At the latest the update would come in September. As one of my managers said to me, you buy your computer when you need it. The public doesn’t know the release schedule, but we take good guesses and the iBook is hurting for an update. So if you’re holding out for an iBook replacement, and you can do that for 90 days, then hold out. (Note/Disclaimer/Don’t want to get sued) I don’t have any inside knowledge about the iBook replacement.

As far as the 15″ and 17″ MBP and the pricing “fiasco” over BTO 15″, to me this hints that the 15″ was early and to hit the price point and satisfy customer demand Apple changed components most of the market wouldn’t be concerned with not getting. What’s wrong with that? Nothing really, Apple has to make a business decision on this and in my view hints that a minor update to the 15″ will come probably when they release a 12″ MBP to solidify the specs on the product line.


‘ju:femaiz, I agree with some of your comments, I know G5 laptop was never going to happen, but then again… dont you really think that it’s about time that they upgrade the iBook? really, shouldn’t the iBook be upgraded before the mac mini? I don’t know, I might be wrong, but it’s been a looong while since I first went to the apple shop and they guy told me: don’t buy yourself an apple laptop, new ones have to arrive real soon. That was 3 years ago. Congratulation for the macbook pro, etc etc… it’s wonderful and also ridiculously priced (ok, enthusiasts, flame on me).

Chris J

Yeah I run Protools on my laptop I do alot of recording at peoples houses at music clubs ect and I aint carrying my desktop on my back!

Chris J

Slightly off topic I know but I’ve got to add this its kinda been annoying me I guess alot of us have been waiting for the G5 laptop for a long time (me included) I feel this was more due to the fact that this would be a 64bit machine not 32bit ala macbook pro, well I guess it was impractical to do this (see macworld Jobs keynote)however being a music producer and using programs such as Protools and Reason linked together(Rewire) running at the same time I do tend to use a bit of power and I’m sure the fully equiped 17inch MacbookPro will do the job very nicely however its just not the same as having a 64bit machine, Now I could buy a 64bit AMD based laptop and use that but it wouldnt be running OSX would it! yeah I know if I picked a good configuration and downloaded a maxxuss patched version of OSX x86 it might happen but do I want the hassle nope I wonder what to do……

any thoughts???….


SuperFicus, perhaps you need to go a little more in depth in the design requirements for mac’s laptops. The G5 was never really going to happen, owing largely to heat and battery performance targets never going to be able to be met. This is very much the same reason why the ATI graphics card in use has been underclocked – the heat and power performance of the card at ‘normal’ clock speed were too high and did not meet the specifications of the computer, but was at the same time, the best card that they could get for it. Note also that there was never a single G5 laptop released by apple – they could not get the power and heat issues squared away.

iBooks will eventually be moved to the Intel platform, however their next task in my opinion will be a desktop replacement for the G5’s towers and a 12″ Powerbook replacement to complete the MacBook stable. Following that the iBook will be next. The iBook is the consumer entry level laptop, the MacBook (and Powerbook before it) was the top end model. Of course they’ll do the upgrades to their top level first. Start thinking with your business hat, rather than your “wish list” hat.

Regarding the 17″ MacBook, you’d be hard pressed to find a comptetitor in its class. The nearest thing I found was a 17″ Toshiba, and it was no where near up to spec.


I have already been 2 years waiting for a G5 iBook, now I wait for an Intel Core Duo iBook. How long will I wait? Even the Mac Mini has got one already… but somewhow it’s still being delayed and delayed. I can’t help thinking that G5 iBooks (or any iBook with an updated processor) would have sold better than the actual iBooks, no matter how cheap are they now.

I am waiting, and unfortunately I will still wait until Apple releases a powerful-new generation-cheap laptop… and I am sure a lot of people still waits, seing the Intel Powerbooks prices rocketing over the hills and far away.

When will Apple convince me? I still have an Intel Pentium 4 laptop, noisy, ugly and with an aging battery and Suse Linux running on it. And time is approaching when I cannot wait more for a new laptop, but then, still this rig is more powerful than current iBooks. I want to have an apple laptop, but then again, i’ve already been 2 years waiting (because I do believe that Apple just wants to sell that old hardware, squeeze the cow more and more) for the release of current technology iBooks (in case you wonder, it’s not that I cannot pay for the intel-powerbook, it’s just that I hate its look and feel… i hate shiny metal stuff) and there is no way I will buy today a G4. So new pretty VAIOs are apperaring every half a year, and it seems that I will buy soon another PC.

Apple… will you ever learn that squeezing the cow has its limits? will you ever learn that if you put in the market nice and new iBooks (hey, don’t call the last upgrade “new” iBooks, please, be decent) people will finally rush to the shop to buy them? I hope, this time, I will not go to buy a sony laptop. Please give me the reasons not to do so, I am beggin you.

Chris J

Ohh ok I think I understand what your trying to say buying processors of the shelf is not quite the same as having a company custom build them for you fair enough I get where your coming from I’m still gonna buy one though ha!


Oops. :|

I meant to say Dr. Ballmer (not Dr. Bauer) in the first post — Microsoft’s el Presidente.


Yes. Bipolar. Why is that analogy so obtuse?

When Mac works, it’s brilliant. But when it doesn’t…

“Today is January 23, 2006, making it less than 20 days since the Core Duo was officially released, and T-minus ?? days until Core Solo is officially released. Yet, if we turn to Intel’s Errata documentation for the Core Duo and Core Solo lines, we already find 34 known problems. That averages out to an error-and-a-half found every day since the chips were released.” – (Chip)

Apparently, there is a HUGE difference in having silicon tailor-made (IBM) and buying it off the rack (Intel). Acer, Dell, Gateway, and HP are using the same chipset in their laptops without causing mood swings.

I think Apple needs more time to familiarize itself with the x86 assembly line. And since Windows already has the errata factor built-in, Boot Camp seems like an ideal distraction.

P.S. Hector Ruiz is AMD’s President and CEO. ;)

Chris J

yeah what?

Unfortunately, until the next CPU ‘stepping’ (to fix known errors) or OS revision (to work around foibles), MacBook Pro is likely to give users the same bipolar experience that iMac and Mac Mini have. :(

bipolar ehh?


“Todd, do you know were you are?” Hector Ruiz asks. “You are in the emergency room at AMD/Microsoft Medical Center.”

(Mr. Baur has been hogtied to a hospital gurney.)

“The EMTs found you,” he continued, “strung out on Mac Book Pro propaganda — and if it wasn’t for their speedy response, you might have floated away on Cloud 9.”

“Uhhh…” Todd mumbled through the oxygen mask.

“Dr. Bauer and I are going to give you a dose of reality to reverse the psychedelic effects and set you on the road to recovery.”

. . .

“Errata are design defects or errors. Errata may cause the Intel® Core™ Duo processor and the Intel® Core™ Solo processor on a 65 nm process to deviate from published specifications. Hardware and software designed to be used with any given stepping must assume that all errata documented for that stepping are present on all devices.” – Intel

Unfortunately, until the next CPU ‘stepping’ (to fix known errors) or OS revision (to work around foibles), MacBook Pro is likely to give users the same bipolar experience that iMac and Mac Mini have. :(

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