Fujitsu P1510D- TabletPc2 Editors Choice

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Linda Epstein of Tablet PC2 has published a great review of the Fujitsu Lifebook P1510D and awarded the 8.9” mini-Tablet PC the Editors Choice.  The P1510D is a touchscreen Tablet PC that is a wonderful size for highly mobile individuals who don’t want to compromise on the performance.  I had a chance to talk with Linda earlier this year at CES and she told me then she absolutely loved the P1510D and was hoping to make it her main Tablet PC.  Check out the review to see why she named it “Editors Choice”.  I know I’d love to get my hands on one of these in the worst way. 

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LuAnne Cadd

I live overseas and travel on vacation about 4 times a year. I want a subnotebook to take during these times, but I can’t seem to find what’s on my wish list for it:
1. under 3 lbs and SMALL
2. DVD-RW integrated in the machine, not something extra I have to carry around. That would be pointless.
3. A touchpad
4. at least 60 GB hard drive
5. Wireless, of course

I am away from my overseas “home” for 2 months in the summer, so it needs to be easy to use on a regular basis.

Can anyone recommend a good subnotebook that has ALL of these features? The thing that seems to be missing, or at least is rarely mentioned, is the DVD and touchpad. I HATE pointing sticks and if you’re using the computer on your lap, the bluetooth/mouse addition doesn’t help.
thanks for any suggestions.
LuAnne

Bill H

I have owned the 1510 for almost two months and have only two issues with it. First, I really thought that I could dump my Palm if I could find a convertable type PC that was really portable. Well the 1510 fit perfectly but I still have the Palm because unlike my emate ( yes emate ), a PC
needs to be running for the calendar to provide audible cues. I know it is possible for XP to do such a thing, heck the thing turns itself on all of the time doing who-knows-what and then goes back into standby ( Occasionally I found the 1510 to have done this and it got extremely hot because it was in its protective sleeve ). Secondly and just as annoying is that many things do not now how to orient themself on a 1024×600 screen. Some programs complain about the optimal window size is wrong. Other things are just designed to a standard screen size and you have to constantly scroll up/down (left/right in portrait mode).

I otherwise love the thing. I have had dozens of “why does your DVD player have a keyboard” and “wow that’s a computer”. Of course they usually flip when the 1510 screen does a 180.

I typically get only 5.5-6.0 hours out of the big battery and have needed to switch to the small battery on those days I had to work the whole eight hours. :-)

Oh, yeah. My other peeve is with all Laptops and similar devices. I have lost the rubber feet on most things that have them. My P1510 had one fall off already ( from the heat ). I glued it back on with model glue.

Bill

ItsShowtime

Well, after reading, researching and putting even more thought into it than I even expected, I think I’ve come to a probable decision. Probable, because I’d really like to see some benchmarks for that chip before making a firm decision. But hoping that the benchmarks will be sufficient, I think the eo is actually winning out. Even thought it’s not my “perfect” device, I’d imagine I’ll get huge value from it right now, especially comparing it to my PDA. Regarding my issue with screen rotation, after some further thought, I came to the conclusion that it really didn’t matter. There have been times when I wished I could rotate on my PDA and considering the screen width of the PDA compared to the eo, I had to ask myself if it matters. It seems to me that from a screen real estate point of view, the eo will be better than the PDA anyhow, so why sweat the small stuff!

As for my keyboard issue, I’ve gone this far and worked around it. When I’ve wanted one it wasn’t a super critical issue and since I plan on getting a cradle with the eo, I’m thinking it really won’t be an issue. This will be my first jump into using a TabletOS based device so I just need to keep my expectations in check and focus on the broad usability compared to a PDA.

Since this is going to be a secondary PC and more of a replacement for my PDA, I’m thinking that the eo will be a huge upgrade. I’m sure there will be disappointments, but for me there always is some regarding technology and being quite adaptive with technology, I believe I can figure out ways to discipline my disappointments. I liked JK’s perspective about “the technology meeting the needs…” The eo seems to cover at least 85%-90% of what I’d need/want. Thankfully my decision doesn’t have to be set in stone now because I’m not going to be able to get it until end of May anyhow. That gives me plenty of time to continue reading post on great sites like this, until my personal drop dead date approaches. Thanks for the great information and please keep us updated on your thoughts of the 1510 as you use it more. You teo and JK provide some GREAT info/insights for “tablet newbies” like myself!!

Wow, this is my first time posting to a blog. I can see why people do it :-) This is fun ;-)

John Lange

Having used the 1510 for two weeks now, I can confidently assert a handful of things: 1. Palm bleeding or hand registering or whatever you happen to call it, is an issue with my device. I don’t know if Linda was using a later production model in which this issue was somehow addressed, but what James demonstrated during his eo video with regard to writing with his palm touching the screen is not possible on the 1510 I purchased. Which reminds me I have an eo on the way (of course they went on sale literally 3 days after I bought the Fuji) and one thing it won’t be able to do that the Fuji 1510 can, is screen rotation. 2. The screen on the 1510 rotates flawlessly and rapidly, and holding this device in portrait mode is a terrific computing experience (again, as long as I can keep my palm/wrist from touching the screen if I’m taking notes). 3. I hope I’m not stupid to expect the same performance from the 512MG 1ghz eo that I’m getting from the 512MG 1.2ghz Fuji 1510, otherwise know as “ei” as in “eventually irresitable” (by the way I think eo is a clever acronym for “earliest origami”). Anyway, what I’m asserting here thirdly, is that the 1510, or ei, is extremely peppy. In fact, it is much peppier than I expected and no I haven’t loaded it with a lot of apps yet, but I have loaded some, and I’m just quite plesed with the performance. 4. The keyboard is surprisingly usable and has probably prevented me from getting more familiar with dial keys. 5. The overall portability/power factor of this device is going to be pretty hard to beat, just as Linda states in her review. All things considered I’m quite happy with the purchase to this point, but because one of my goals is to be able to freely take notes without concern for where my palm rests, the eo may ultimately win out later this month and force me to get what I can for “ei” on ebay….

cobalt

No problem. My P1510D just arrived an hour ago. It’s charging right now. Immediate cool factor: very high.
A couple things: first, the P70S looks to be the Japanese release of the P1510D, which never saw a Japanese release.

The biggest issue in my mind for getting this PC is the battery life. If I were getting a PC for a child, I’d choose the UMPC for sure. You don’t really want a child using a computer for more than a couple hours at a time. Also, if you use it mostly in your living room and your car, you can keep it plugged in. And I’m having a hard time finding a car mount for the P1510D, which will probably not be a problem for the UMPC.

The screen can be rotated on the P1510D. As for the keyboard, I would say that it is the smallest usable keyboard. Anything smaller would be better if it were a thumb-board, like the one on the Intel convertible UMPC prototype that everyone likes so much. Now, I tried out subnotebooks and thought that 12.1″ was the smallest I’d go. But with tablet functionality, I’ll survive with a really small keyboard.

It always pays to wait on technology, when it comes to almost any variable, like power, battery life, etc. It’s possible to justify it either way. Personally, I needed a small computer of some kind, and it was either going to be the P1510D, the dualcor cPc, or the UMPC. All these systems will benefit from the software being developed for the UMPC, since they all have touchscreens, although anything optimized for the joypad will function differently on a non-UMPC. Otherwise, they all have different features and I’d say the prices are proportionate for the functions. In my case, I was willing to spend a few hundred dollars for the battery life (extended battery). If I’d ordered an eo, I would have upgraded to 1GB RAM and one of the 7200RPM HDs, maybe the 80GB or the 100GB.

Finally, an interesting report about the VIA CPU battery life, if that’s a factor for your decision.
http://blog.carrypad.com/2006/04/via-c7-m-cpu-and-battery-life-tests.html

I’m going to go turn this thing on.

ItsShowtime

Excellent post!!! I knew the difference in the ram pricing that you stated, but didn’t know the reason, so thanks for that info. Right now I’m trending towards the 1510 because of the chipset and the ability to use the keyboard if needed. Though I use a PalmOS device and am extremely proficient with Grafitti, there has been times where using a keyboard would have been useful and I’m not the type to be hauling a gazillion pieces of equipment with me to get things done. I try to force myself to use a product based on its base functionality, so the 1510D will release me from that self imposed constraint. Like you, I’m looking forward to seeing the benchmarks for the VIA CPU. When JK did his review of the eo, it seemed to be ok speed wise, but I myself need to see how it will perform with MS Office, Outlook, Acrobat, Evernote, Sketchbook and other assorted apps.

Another point that I like about the 1510D is I believe the screen can be rotated. Very important to me for eBooks and from what I’ve read/seen the eo doesn’t offer that functionality, but I’d fully expect that to change down the road. So for me it seems that my question is being answered in that maybe it will be best for me to get the 1510D or wait for the UMPC to mature a tad. The only sacrifice that I can see for my needs is that the 1510 is a touch bigger than the UMPC and I really want to have the smallest device possible. It’s sometime hard though when desire and practicality start head butting!!! Plus I really wanted to make a choice and not have to worry about having to be in this “Can’t make up my mind mode” again down the road once the UMPC market mature. Guess I need to grow up a tad ;-) and realize I can’t have my cake and eat it to. So I’ll have to risk buying a device and then 6 months to one year later, buy another. Heck I just love to do my bit to help the economy.

Ah, what the heck, when that time comes, I’ll just give the 1510D to one of my kids.

Again thanks for the post.

ItsShowtime

I too LOVE that LS800 and seriously thought about it. But then once I started adding all of the options I’d want on it, well, the price really ballooned (Motion and TabletKiosk could OWN the Tablet/UMPC market if they’d work on getting those prices down!!!!).

If the pricing for the UMPC’s were a tad more reasonable I would just go with one of those. The TabletKiosk eo may still stay in my “consider list”, but the handware companies and Microsoft really should put some thought into the pricing. It seems that there is an vision to pricing mismatch. Yeah, I know I need to wait to see what the Samsung q1 pricing really will be here, but at the $1400 it seems they are shooting for right now, they’re being a tad optimistic. So that one if off the list. MS should take 500 million of of their cash and subsidize the heck out of the Tablet/UMPC market. Now that would be FUN to watch!! I’d love to see the “Tablet/UMPC” haters deal with that :-)

The 1510D seems like a sweet deal compared to the UMPC’s right now. OH well, I guess well just have to wait and see how it all plays out. I really wish some company (DELL ARE YOU OUT THERE!!!!!!!!!!) would jump in a crush the UMPC pricing right away. Hey I can dream can’t I!! I’ll wait and see how the reviews come in for the eo in May and make a decision from there between that, the LS800 and the 1510D. Well, again thanks for your input.

cobalt

I just ordered a Lifebook P1510, partly because I wanted a much smaller notebook, partly to add tablet functionality to my information management, and partly because I could get it before a UMPC. It’s also somewhat more practical than a UMPC for my partiuclar plans for it. It’s arriving this afternoon, so I haven’t tried it first hand. The P1510 is specified like a UMPC in many respects, but is slightly more advanced and larger, with a longer battery life. It also is priced along the same lines as a UMPC. However, in comparing the TK eo and the P1510: the 1GB of upgrade for the P1510 is much pricier (due to use of microdimm), and the hard drives on the Lifebook are 1.8″ 4200RPM. By contrast, the eo uses more widely available RAM (1GB upgrade is $265 vs. $700) and includes large capacity and fast (7200 RPM) HDs. Some of the applications I’d like to use would perform better with more RAM and a faster HD than a faster processor. So I would actually say that the eo is potentially a better deal than the P1510 based on those factors, balanced against the battery life, the need for a small keyboard, and particularly the VIA 1GHz C7M ULV… which is why I’m so interested in seeing benchmarks for the VIA CPU.

I’m very interested in optimized applications for touchscreen combined with Tablet OS functionality, which is a feature of both the P1510 and the UMPC. It occurs to me that in the context of using a PC while doing other things, picking up a pen is not always desirable…and I’m pretty sure this won’t change. I’ve seen some specialized car mounts for the LS800, but I’d be afraid to have one in my car, frankly. I’d much rather mount a UMPC or the P1510. The announcement that Wacom is working on a dual mode digitizer/touchscreen is a good look at the future of these things. But for the time being, I look at the UMPC as a meaningful form factor / device standard, because the medium-sized touchscreen places different constraints on software and human interface development. The hardware controls on the UMPC are superior to the P1510’s and are important: not just in controlling the PC, but also because a touchscreen is in itself a terrible user interface device due to lack of tactile feedback (look at the universal remote control market for evidence of this).

I’ll offer this comparison: the Nintendo DS is designed to be a “disruptive” device. It bundles two screens, one touchscreen, wifi, stereo speakers, microphone, and hardware controls. It is not the fastest portable gaming platform, it doesn’t have the best screen resolution, and it doesn’t use standard forms of memory storage. However, it has great games that are well designed for the hardware (e.g., Elektroplankton). It is also able to introduce PC-style gaming (e.g., Age of Empires DS, multiplayer FPS, etc.) to the handheld because the touchscreen adds PC like functionality. Nintendo is releasing a browser (Opera) for the DS that will undoubtedly be better than the PSP’s browser, because of the touchscreen (and the use of both displays).

So, in my mind, it’s all going to be about software development with particular attention to user interface optimization and organization. People are always down on Microsoft for not making Tablet OS an enormous overnight success. I feel like MS is doing their part, but you’re not going to be able to excite consumers with better information management. “Look: you can take notes, and you can use a spreadsheet and write on PDF files!” isn’t going to work with the general population, even if it benefits them. Likewise, if you were going to use something like Quicken on a UMPC, they had better change the user interface: an onscreen number pad, etc. The new software additions by MS are a good start: big buttons, sliders, and simple interfaces. Once you can put together a useful package of software, the benefits of the UMPC (versus another notebook or desktop) will become clearer to people.

I’d like to see software come with multiple skins for different devices and screen resolutions, rather than brand new software. I’d also like to see more flexible software licensing that allows you to have the same application on both a PC and a UMPC. Otherwise, we’ll be looking at a bunch of non-optimized applications and a PDA-style software market where you have to hunt down your apps and buy everything twice.

jk

I should also add that I have never been one to advocate waiting until the next generation of a device is released before purchase. I figure that if a device fits my particular need then the benefits from the use I will get out of it before the next big thing is available outweigh any benefits from the updated device.

jk

Believe me, when I say I want to get my hands on something, I really do. :) If I was in the market to buy a new Tablet to replace my tc1100 right now- I would get either the Fujitsu P1510D or the Motion LS800. If the finances were right I’d get the Motion and if an issue the Fujitsu. I have played with the Fujitsu a number of times and it is one sweet device. One of them was running Vista with Aero glass at CES. :)

ItsShowtime

Hi James,

I have really appreciated your website over the last year and this post really have me wondering something. Maybe I’m incorrect, but I believe I have seen you state “I know I’d love to get my hands on one of these….” a many of times?

Being a techie, I know I have said that myself :-) But now with the UMPC talk and this review I’m really stuck with wanting a TabletKiosk eo and this Fujitsu p1510D. I’m really looking for something bigger than my Sony TH55 but smaller than my my inspirion 700m, but I am worried about getting a “first run” product and I’m DYING for a Tablet of some sort!!! Seems that TabletKiosk makes a nice product and I am more than willing to except that I may buy one and well, “Jones” for a next genration device done the road and may have to drop additional dollars later. Again not that I mind, I’ve done it many times with Palm OS devices. Not looking for you to make a decision for me, but just would like your opionion since you seem to have deep knowledge about portables. Besides this may help others in the same boat. Thanks for any input you can provide and thanks for a great informational website about mobile devices!

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