Camino 1.0 Released

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Camino 1.0
Om’s got a short but sweet interview of the Camino developers, along with a brief overview and history.

What do you think? Could you see it replace your Safari in a near future?

A couple of thoughts:

– I wish all browser vendors would more or less agree on the proper shortcuts for viewing a document’s source. No biggie.

WICK is feeling lightning-fast in this version of Camino. Faster than what i typically experience in Safari. Pretty-much as fast as Firefox (and all other OS X Gecko browsers). It’s a pretty decent stress test of a JavaScript engine’s speed when you feed it big data sets. The above example has 5,000 name/e-mail entries stored in memory as a big ol’ client-side array.

– some other DHTML drag-and-droppy (uh, sorry, i meant “Ajax”, sheez) stuff elsewhere is feeling a bit snappier than Firefox.

– Camino Menu … Preferences … Privacy Tab … Show Cookies button: has a neat Cookie search box. Safari doesn’t have one! hah! You can even exclude sites from setting cookies, a feature which advanced users will likely cherish.

– It supports Keychain access, and that’s very good.

– It’s come a long way! I like it.

update:2/14 Camino developer Chris Lawson peeked his head-in :)

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Charles

If you want to have other search engines in the Camino search box, it’s a fairly trivial bit of editing of a .plist file – which is documented in the Camino help files (http://www.caminobrowser.org/support/docs/search/).

Works like a charm.

And if Chris Lawson is popping by again, a plea: for 1.1 could adding an RSS feed be a menu option with an assigned key so that we keyboard fiends don’t have to bother mousing? (Personally I’ve set up an Applescript to add the feed for any page to NetNewsWire, but other folk might prefer something simpler).

As to the “view source” shortcut – anyone using Tiger, you do know that you can configure the keys for *any* application to be what you want? I’ve set Camino’s “download” window to something other than the default. You could do that with the default for “view source” too. Take a trip to System Preferences and search for “keyboard shortcuts”.

Chuck Cheeze

OK so after re-reading this, and wanting to use Mac programs on the mac whenever possible. I opened up Safari and browsed a bit with it. The speed is amazing, makes me feel like I’m on DSL vs. FF’s dialup (yes I am on a cable modem that was a metaphor or something) So I went and checked out Apple’s Safari page and found out a few new cool things, and then went into Safari’s preferences, and found a few new cool things, and then went to http://www.pimpmysafari.com and found even more new cool things. I think I’ve found enough to use Safari full time now.

Fred

Ok, so I’m not really a switcher, but I am returning to Mac after a prlonged absence (my last mac was a Powerbook 145!).

I’ve just downloaded Camino. It’s beautiful and fast, but somewhat lacking in features compared to FF. I’m particularly missing the extensions. I’ve heard some folks say that they can use widgets to do in Camino much of what extensions do in FF. Are they refering to Dashboard widgets or some sort of special Camino widgets?

Thanks for the help in advance!

Chuck Cheeze

Firefox is the only way to go. As a recent switcher, I am also trying out Safari and Camino, and wouldf love to use one of them, but the lack of options and extensions leaves me wanting more when I use them. if I am missing something please point me in the right direction.

As an aside…I do notice both MUCH faster than FF, both in startup time and browsing time. Any ideas what could be causing FF to be so slow? According to posts above I think it should be faster. Maybe once the Universal Binary comes out?

Chris Holland

Chris: early beta builds of Win/IE7 are showing budding support for a subset of Amazon/A9’s “Open Search” specification to easily specify a search engine to be added by the end-user to the list of available searching options in the top-right search box.

Are you guys pretty set on keeping Google up there, or are you looking into mycroft-y ways? I’m kinda liking the Open Search route as a bit easier. A 4-line description XML document, an autdiscovery-ish HTML LINK tag that points to it, a simple JS method that would also reference the XML descriptor … bickity bam you’re about done :) No need to centrally manage plugins … let web developers do their thing.

Chris Lawson

*popping in from other duties elsewhere on t3h intarweb*

Chris — I feel your pain about “view source”. I’ve got a patch for Camino 1.1 that will view source in a window (rather than a tab), and there’s been some complaining in the bug about the shortcut inconsistency. Frankly, I think Camino’s cmd-opt-V is the most logical of the various keystrokes I’ve seen, so feel free to e-mail Firefox’s and Safari’s dev teams and tell them they’re on crack ;) And I definitely agree with you about RSS; I think that’s best left to a dedicated app, rather than trying to make a Web browser all things to all people. Look at the disaster that was Netscape Communicator!

As Chris said, RSS is coming, in the form of feed detection which we’ll pass off to the newsreader of your choice. I recommend Vienna or NetNewsWire Lite (both free; NetNewsWire also has a $25 “pro” version that has more features).

Brion: Please send details about your crashing problem to our feedback address (hit http://www.caminobrowser.org/ for a link). We’ll look into it. Better yet, file a bug in Bugzilla and we’ll look into it even sooner ;)

Chandler: I highly doubt Brion’s problem is Java-related, but your help is much appreciated.

cl

Chris Holland

Michael: it’s on their roadmap for version 1.1.

For some reason most web browsers’ implementation of RSS-reading and storing capabilities feel kludgy to me. I find them neat to play with for a bit, but after a while, I tend to forget about those feeds hidden in various favorite menus, as they keep gobbling more RAM and disk space, and sometimes even slowing the browsing experience when too much goes-on at the same time.

am i alone?

Brion

Oh, how I wish it was that simple… thanks anyway. Any other ideas are welcome.

It’s become quite frustrating to read about what great browsers they supposedly both are.

Chandler

To Brion,
Straight from the Camino website:

Java applets on some web pages may crash on Mac OS X 10.4 in certain configurations. This can happen after a system update fails to fully upgrade all components of the system. If you experience crashes on pages that use Java applets, apply or reapply the latest “combo update” from Apple to ensure that your system is up to date.

Maybe that will help.

Brion

Sorry mozilla,
It crashed on me within minutes on an otherwise healthy system. I got about 3 graphics loaded on apple.com before it crashed.
Firefox is equally unstable on my powerbook. I have scoured the internet for a fix now and then for over a year.
I’ve repaired permissions regularly and tossed every firefox & mozilla file on the machine repeatedly. Those are the only apps that won’t run.
I’ll be sticking with Safari.

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