Growing Pains: Trouble in Paradise?

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A little while ago I penned a cheery piece on the transformation that Apple has undergone following Steve Jobs’s return to the company, citing the launch of the iMac as the pivotal moment – the point at which Apple stopped being “beleaguered” and started being “innovative” in commentators’ eyes again. And make no mistake – Apple has genuinely transformed itself in those seven odd years, with the establishment of a chain of retail outlets being a key part of this change, and one of the driving forces behind the growth in Apple’s market share (minor as it is) and, perhaps more importantly in the long run, mindshare too.

But I am now firmly of the opinion that there is trouble brewing, a state of mind brought about by a number of recent experiences, both personal and those recounted to me by friends and acquaintances, which indicate rather clearly that either Apple is straining under the pressure of growth, likely mostly caused by the iPod’s runaway success, or that it simply doesn’t care. I can only hope that it is the former.

It all sounds so hopeful – the stuff of architects and marketing departments’ wet dreams. My local Apple Store is one of Apple’s flagship branches, located just south of Oxford Circus on Regent Street in the heart of London’s West End, housed in a wonderful old stone building quite different from the brushed metal panels that characterise their premises elsewhere. Inside is an extremely spacious environment on two floors, making what was at the time of opening (and may still be) Apple’s largest retail presence. Nowhere else sells computers in surroundings like this.

So why do the staff suck so much? Why is it that every visit to the Apple Store fills me with dread and so often leaves me feeling frustrated and defeated? Two words: past experience.

I am, by way of background, one of the many unfortunates who own an iBook G3, an ostensibly sturdy machine (the case allegedly made of “the same material used in bulletproof glass”) but which either by dint of demonic possession or otherwise has been plagued by motherboard failures. When it failed in July after a period of quiet lasting almost a year, inconvenience aside, the aspect of the repair procedure I was most dreading was bringing the damn thing to the Genius Bar.

Ah, the Genius Bar.

In principle, it is a wonderful idea. Instead of frustrating customers by keeping them on hold for hours, let them bring their machines in and converse directly with people who know all there is to know about every nook and cranny of Apple’s computers and Mac OS X. Oh, and, of course, the iPod. It saves on courier fees, and adds that personal touch to the technical support experience. Plus, they can fix stuff on site, which cuts down on the time taken to turn a repair round. It all sounds so rosy.

In practice, things are rather different. Consider a not atypical scenario, where a mother arrives with her three kids in tow, having travelled some distance from the London suburbs to come to Regent Street. Her eldest son got an iPod for his birthday, and a mere three weeks down the line, it won’t switch on. A sad face comes up on the screen. Mum’s read the stuff in the paper about the issues with the battery and wonders whether this is the cause.

It’s about 12pm. She approaches a member of staff, and proceeds to explain about the problem with the iPod. Oh, wait. He can’t deal with that. She needs to go to the Genius Bar upstairs. No matter. This shouldn’t take long. She heads upstairs, and is not quite sure what to do. There are some people sitting down waiting, and others standing in a queue to the right of the Genius Bar. She’d like to ask someone, but curiously there is no-one to ask. Staff fly past on the way to somewhere else, so she decides to sit down. A short while passes.

It’s 12:10. An attractive girl in her mid twenties approaches her and asks her if she has an appointment. She replies that she does not, and is told that she needs to go and queue up “over there.” She gesticulates in the general direction of the queue. “Oh dear.” Oh well, no matter. The queue’s not too long, and this is Apple, so they’re bound to be very efficient. She rounds up the children and goes to wait in line.

It’s 12:35. They have reached the front of the queue, and a man asks her what the problem is. She proceeds to explain that the iPod won’t start up, and wonders whether it has anything to do with the battery. The man has a look at it, presses some buttons, and sure enough, it won’t switch on. He explains that he is not able to do anything, and that mum will need to make an appointment to see a Genius so that he can have a look at it and, if necessary, send it in for repair.

OK, how do I do that?
Right, well, you can make an appointment by going to any computer in the shop and going to the Apple Store Regent Street web site. This is the address.

He gestures towards a bank of eMacs arranged in a circle near floor level, and hands her a business card with an Apple and the URL printed on it. She stares at the card, slightly perplexed, and pauses for a moment wondering if there’s more. Looking up, and he’s already on to the next customer in line.

*sigh* “OK kids, come on, we’ve got to go and find a computer to make an appointment at the Genius Bar to get the iPod fixed.

It’s 12:50. Mum is standing at a computer trying to figure out how she loads the bloody web browser. One of the floor staff comes over and asks her if she needs any help. She explains that she is trying to make an appointment for the Genius Bar, and he loads up Safari and takes her to the site.

“Sorry. All our Genuises are scheduled to meet with customers. Please try again in the next hour.”

Mum is baffled. What does this mean? She just wants to make an appointment. Why can’t she do that?

She collars another member of the floor staff and asks why the Genius Bar reservation thing isn’t working, showing the man the screen. He says that you just have to keep on trying and it should work.

13:00 rolls round in the meantime and, finally, somehow, mum gets past the all busy screen. She is told that the next available appointment is at 18:30, a full five and a half hours later on, and is asked to enter her name and e-mail address if she wants to make that appointment. She cannot quite believe her eyes – what will she do with the kids in the meantime? But we’ve come all this way, she reasons, and is a resolute type, so she puts her information in.

The next screen confirms the booking, and blithely notes that appointments are not actually appointments, but what Apple calls “service intervals”, and as such do not guarantee a time when you will be seen. Mum disregards this, concluding that by then there will hardly be anyone around, and heads off back outside.

She explains to the children that they will all have to come back later, but that it’ll be OK. They can make a day of it, maybe go and see something. She can do some shopping, maybe go down to Harrods or Harvey Nicks, though the kids won’t like that. Anyway, it’ll be fine.

I will interject briefly at this point to observe only that we are dealing with the most tolerant and patient mother in existence. Most would have been angered by being told to go and make an appointment at “any computer in the shop”. Why couldn’t they take her name down there and then?

Those who made it past that hurdle would have been perplexed by the peculiar appointment system. Why is it not possible to specify a time? Why is it only possible to make appointments at certain seemingly random times of the day? Why do I have to spend ages hitting refresh in Internet Explorer on the Windows box at work until I get let through to make an appointment? I have no idea. The system is truly absurd.

And why on earth does mum have to wait over five hours to be seen? She’s already in the shop, and anyone can see the iPod is borked. What is the purpose of this ridiculous delay?

It’s 18:25. Mum returns to Regent Street with the kids. They’ve been to the Natural History Museum, which was great, because the children loved the dinosaurs, but now they are all tired and ready to go home. No matter, because they will be seen in 5 minutes, and it can’t take long.

They sit down. Five minutes pass. A girl – a different one – approaches and asks if she has an appointment. She replies that she does and is asked for her name. She responds and points to the screen, somewhat discouraged by the fact that there are four people in front of her in the list of names.

Do you have any idea how long it’ll be?
Oh, shouldn’t be too long now. Someone will be with you as soon as possible.

The two younger kids go over to the other side of the shop to play with the eMacs, and the eldest looks at iPod accessories. Mum anxiously keeps an eye on the kids whilst she waits for her turn.

19:00 and a man calls out her name. She gets up and goes over to the bar and sits down on one of the stools. “I’ll be with you in just a moment.

At 19:05 she finally gets to say her piece, and the Genius takes a quick look at the iPod and confirms that it is indeed broken. He says that it is something to do with the hard disk – mum is none-the-wiser – and that they will have to box it up and send it off.

When will we get it back?
Should be within 5 to 6 working days.
And will that be delivered or do I come and get that here?
You can come and pick it up here, but you don’t need to make an appointment.
Well, that’s something I suppose.
…OK. Well, just bear with me a moment whilst I sort the paperwork out and we’ll get this thing sent off.

It’s 19:20. Mum signs the form and thanks the man for his time. Thoroughly worn out, she rounds up the kids and traipses off downstairs to head for home.

Oh. Fan-bloody-tastic. Well done Apple. Another stellar customer experience for a disillusioned Windows user. That’s the way to drive hardware sales.*

I’m not a mother, and I don’t have any kids to accompany me when I go to the Apple Store, but the experience is generally no less frustrating, and generally manages to incorporate most if not all of the joyous experiences set out above. I went through the hurdles to get an iBook G4 checked over by a Genius so that it could have its mouse button repaired, and was most unamused when I had to fight to get one of the bar staff’s attention to get it back the following day after being rung and told that there was nothing wrong with it. In the end, I got an Apple-authorised reseller to fix it.

And when – as aforementioned – my iBook broke in July, I immediately logged on to the Regent Street web site. I knew how much of a gap there would be between my getting an appointment and my being seen, so I would have time to do a full data backup before heading over to Regent Street. I took pleasure – as all proper cynics do – in being proved right in this regard, and was, as expected, made to wait for quite some time before being seen. I believe this was the second occasion on which I bought juice and muffins in Marks & Spencer by way of sustenance before going in. You have to be prepared, you see.

When I picked the iBook up a couple of weeks later, I presumed that was it, that the ordeal was over. I sat down on one of the benches to check my e-mail and when I had finished and closed the lid, I noticed that the machine would not go to sleep. I tried a couple of times, but sleep-on-close it would not. I nabbed a Genius who was slightly less busy and who made it very evident that he was displeased by my interruption, and explained that the machine was still needing attention. I was dreading a response that would require me to make another appointment, for it was too late in the day to realistically get one, but fortunately he offered to take it round the back and fix it there and then.

This was a high point in an otherwise barren wasteland of lows. The experience did make me somewhat doubtful of the competence of the technical staff behind the scenes at Regent Street, and a mere three weeks later, my fears were confirmed – the iBook died again! This was impressive, even for Apple.

So I went through the rigmarole of getting to a Genius and vented my frustration. I had read about how some iBook owners had received replacement machines, and was hoping that given the ridiculously short span of time between the two breakages, they might offer me a replacement.

No such luck. An extensive rant which culminated in me telling a supposedly more senior member of the technical staff that I wanted the iBook to burn in Hell, and I was told that I would have to ring customer services, during which call I begged and pleaded, but was told, by an admittedly very nice man, that I had not yet met their quota for logic board failures. This was – I should add – my fifth such failure (over two machines).

I ended up taking the machine to Colyer, the Apple-authorised reseller alluded to above, who fixed it, warning me that they did not think it would last much longer. To date, it is still working, but I am not holding my breath…

This is all the more painful for me, as I had a few encounters with the shop in the posh Ginza area of Tokyo, and all were extremely pleasant, the staff doing all they could do make the experience a good one. On one occasion, a ¥20,000 (£100) repair bill was reduced to nothing because there were fingerprints surrounding the screen. Another time, one employee spent a good twenty minutes or so arguing on the phone on my behalf with a retailer which had sold me an iBook with a dead pixel and then refused to take it back.

And I am not the only one who is being disappointed. A friend of mine has now given up trying after sending in his new iPod 40Gb (bought just before the iPod range went colour) for repair four times, a truly staggering state of affairs. He now contents himself with an iPod shuffle, beaten into submission by a corporate behemoth which appears to have forgotten that it once built quality products.

But both he and I are the more understanding types. We own Macs, use them on a daily basis, and appreciate the little differences that make them great. It’s possibly the expectations created by Apple successes, like Mac OS X and the PowerBook G4, that make the service experience all the more disappointing.

More importantly though, in the grand scheme of things, are all the prospective new users, who are drawn into the Apple Store by the supposed iPod halo effect. It seems unlikely that these people will be in a frame of mind suitably charitable to try out a new operating system – however beautiful and user-friendly it is – if they have just been made to wait six hours to hand an iPod over for repair.

There are – it is clear – a lot of quality problems with the iPods, and this is perhaps partially attributable to the shift in manufacturing to China and is somewhat inevitable, given the quantities Apple is now having to churn out. The support problems related to these are increasing the strain on a Genius Bar which, in the heart of London, is already bound to be busy. But having now earned itself the position of being one of the world’s most recognisable brands, it would be a shame for Apple to ruin its reputation with shoddy customer service. After all, it sells its products at a premium because they are supposed to be better.

At the moment, I’d settle for just good.

(* For the unaware, and in light of the comments to a previous post, I would point out, mostly for the benefit of our American readership, that the paragraph that precedes the asterisk is intended as sarcasm. Just for clarity’s sake. Go back.)

19 Comments

George

The whole genius bar thing is redculous! They should call it idiot bar.
I am very busy, and I had my first experience with this recently when my ipod stopped working. All I wanted to do was to go to the Apple store and DROP IT OFF for repair. Ohh no, I need an appointment! It is an mp3 player not a human being. Just let me drop it off at MY CONVENIENCE, and you can fix it at YOUR CONVENIENCE. Just call me when it is fixed and I will come pick it up at MY CONVENIENCE!

Now I just learned that I cannot add music to it from a different computer or even the same computer after a full reinstall of windows! I have to erase the whole damn ipod!

I see that the iphone doesn’t have 3G.

I swear the people at Apple are a bunch of drunks! The should make ivodka instead. They would be much better at it. Although I might need to make an appointment to puke after drinking too much.

coelomic

Some Apple store Genii seem to have an attitude problem. They are snobbish. Bad marketing for one of the most recognized brands.

Phil Amon

Ive been selling both PC and Mac products for years. It’s true that since the launch of the store in London and the general iPod period Ive noticed a change in the whole Apple experience. I used to chat with some of the support members after recognising thier voices on the phone – and got a little bit more honest responses out of some of them – like the sheer volume of calls just sky rocketed one day. Around about the time that iPods were so hard to get hold of.

In general I would say Apple is better than the PC crew. Dell have excellent customer support – however Im constantly charged more for their stuff than most mac equivalents. You can even haggle with them – but still they are in now way cheap. The gear is ok – I’ve seen macs dropped and bashed about with no problems occuring. Dells just seem to drop out everytime someone sneezes. I stopped using HP after a series of highly complicated run arounds and sheer confusion. I still supply thier business range printers that are good with good tech support – but reliability is again my bug bear.

As for PC world – well don’t get me started. I am unfortunated to leave near the Wandsworth branch (and the Kensington one is up the road). They compete hand in hand for sheer incompitence! For every one of your stories I have 5. If I need anything Im so careful when I go in there.

Technology eh!

si

Thought it would be quiet this morning and my first visit to the Apple Store in Regent Store…Hurray!!
However the same experience like the article described.
No help at all only procedures.Couldn’t even leave the ipod shuffle with them to pronounce it dead. Told to book and come back in 6 hrs time!! Huh??
No bookings in advance for tomorrow and can’t log in into the Concierge site…
Oh well if this is what the staff do with a £100 consumer product then I don’t want to know about appointments etc..
I will now stay away from consumer facing shopfronts.
Anyway why don’t they segregate the goods/ipod.

Luckily I have been buying apple products for business the past 12 years amd experienced a decent service.
What will expansion hold for them in the future..
Rant over….

Chris Holland

[continuing from previous comment]

Keep in mind that in the PC world, it’s all-to-common to get the run-around between 1) your PC reseller, 2) the hardware vendor (Dell), 3) Microsoft

Chris Holland

Karri: i still do recommend most of Apple’s products. i’ve worked on most computing platforms out there, and a good Mac is what keeps me productive. I had a 400Mhz Titanium powerbook for 3 years since 2001. I’ve been on this 1.25Ghz Aluminum powerbook for the last 2 years. Both very reliable, this one also continues to be. My Girlfriend’s 2002 white G3 iBook is still going strong, she uses it every day.

You’ll find occasional bad seeds in Apple’s lineups and we’d be remiss of our personal objectivity if we didn’t call out Apple’s mistakes when we see them, especially when service falls short of our expectations.

It’s always a good idea to get AppleCare for whichever Apple product you’re buying. But as far as i know, all products are covered 1 year either way, and AppleCare gives you 3 years. If something fails, it usually happens within the first year anyway. But sometimes, after prolonged usage of a laptop, it’s possible for your hard drive to get a mechanical failure. Good be bad luck on the laptop, or have something to do with how badly you rough it up. Either way, if you have AppleCare, my experience is, they hook you up :)

Also keep in mind that Apple sells you an end-to-end computing experience. When anything fails, we know where to point fingers, it’s very easy, and you’ll find we Apple users have high expectations. We’re entitled to, because we’re in the market for a better end-to-end computing experience, and are willing to pay for it.

Karri Lea

I was seriously thinking of purchasing one of the new intel-mac ibooks after browsing the website and reviewing all of the articles regarding the virtual pc. I though mac would be awesome for a young professional due to its lack of crashing, etc. etc., we’ve all fallen under the spell of the marketing. However after reading of the horror stories of what can wrong with them I’m tempted to stay with the pc devil I know as then at least I can get the company IT guy to fix instead of trying to deal with authorized dealers, fed-ex, and faceless help desks.

Anyone still recommmending ibooks?

R.D. Kinloch

I have been considering buying an Apple laptop but my daughter’s experience has put me against that idea as it cancels out positive comments I have heard from my son-in-law and others. Perhaps the Calgary supplier is simply not up to giving adequate support. Where is the seller in this process? Is it simply his/her role to take a customer’s money or do they not have an obligation to make good on the sale and support their customer?
Why is my daughter only dealing with FedEx? Where is her representative? Shame on Apple for not dealing with effectively. I feel sorry for my daughter who has apparently wasted her hard earned money on a dud product when she so much wanted to use it to help her teach classes in school. When I dealt with Dell earlier this year their customer support was satisfactory and I have had nothing but praise for CompuSmart computers who offer excellent sales and service.
It is widely known that for each complaint that is not satisfied and dealt with properly at least ten other people will hear and be adversely affected. Is anyone listening?

R.D. Kinloch

Ella Kinloch

My letter of complaint to apple….I am still without computer…
October 8th ‘2005

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to make a complaint about my dealings with your company.

• After a failed attempted to purchase of ibook G4 and applecare protection plan, a successful re-order was made. I specifically repeated to mac representative that I was billed for one applecare protection plan and to not bill me and send a second applecare protection plan.
• Delivery of applecare protection plan was made. The same week a second delivery of applecare protection plan was made from which I was billed for.
• FedEx tracking system/phone call to FedEx told me that computer was awaiting me at site for pick-up. Arrived but was told that package had been sent back.
• Phone call to Mac. Mac representative told me that package would be redelivered within 5 to 10 business days. Mac representative discussed with supervisor about whether original package should be sent or if a re-order should take place therefore sending new device its place taking into consideration how much time either option would take.
• Package did not arrive.
• Phone call to Mac. No package had been sent. Further discussion about whether or not to send original package or if a re-order should take place. Package was sent.
• Package arrives however FedEx cannot deliver to home address due to problem with address that was given (applecare protection plan had arrived with no problems but this time the same address was not adequate for delivery).
• Pick-up of package. (Note: FedEx employees complaining that mac’s policy of having two pieces of id. is causing problems with parent’s buying ipods for their children). Package looked beat up and dirty. Corners of box dented. Attempt to work dvd drive failed. Attempt to install mac:office failed. Problems with keyboard and with scroll pad button.
• The entire process adding up to approx. 8 weeks of problems.

Ella Kinloch
#401 823 5th Street N.E.
Calgary, Alberta
T2E 3W9

October 8th ‘2005

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to make a complaint about my dealings with your company.

• After a failed attempted to purchase of ibook G4 and applecare protection plan, a successful re-order was made. I specifically repeated to mac representative that I was billed for one applecare protection plan and to not bill me and send a second applecare protection plan.
• Delivery of applecare protection plan was made. The same week a second delivery of applecare protection plan was made from which I was billed for.
• FedEx tracking system/phone call to FedEx told me that computer was awaiting me at site for pick-up. Arrived but was told that package had been sent back.
• Phone call to Mac. Mac representative told me that package would be redelivered within 5 to 10 business days. Mac representative discussed with supervisor about whether original package should be sent or if a re-order should take place therefore sending new device its place taking into consideration how much time either option would take.
• Package did not arrive.
• Phone call to Mac. No package had been sent. Further discussion about whether or not to send original package or if a re-order should take place. Package was sent.
• Package arrives however FedEx cannot deliver to home address due to problem with address that was given (applecare protection plan had arrived with no problems but this time the same address was not adequate for delivery).
• Pick-up of package. (Note: FedEx employees complaining that mac’s policy of having two pieces of id. is causing problems with parent’s buying ipods for their children). Package looked beat up and dirty. Corners of box dented. Attempt to work dvd drive failed. Attempt to install mac:office failed. Problems with keyboard and with scroll pad button.
• The entire process adding up to approx. 8 weeks of problems.
Ella Kinloch
#401 823 5th Street N.E.
Calgary, Alberta
T2E 3W9

October 8th ‘2005

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to make a complaint about my dealings with your company.

• After a failed attempted to purchase of ibook G4 and applecare protection plan, a successful re-order was made. I specifically repeated to mac representative that I was billed for one applecare protection plan and to not bill me and send a second applecare protection plan.
• Delivery of applecare protection plan was made. The same week a second delivery of applecare protection plan was made from which I was billed for.
• FedEx tracking system/phone call to FedEx told me that computer was awaiting me at site for pick-up. Arrived but was told that package had been sent back.
• Phone call to Mac. Mac representative told me that package would be redelivered within 5 to 10 business days. Mac representative discussed with supervisor about whether original package should be sent or if a re-order should take place therefore sending new device its place taking into consideration how much time either option would take.
• Package did not arrive.
• Phone call to Mac. No package had been sent. Further discussion about whether or not to send original package or if a re-order should take place. Package was sent.
• Package arrives however FedEx cannot deliver to home address due to problem with address that was given (applecare protection plan had arrived with no problems but this time the same address was not adequate for delivery).
• Pick-up of package. (Note: FedEx employees complaining that mac’s policy of having two pieces of id. is causing problems with parent’s buying ipods for their children). Package looked beat up and dirty. Corners of box dented. Attempt to work dvd drive failed. Attempt to install mac:office failed. Problems with keyboard and with scroll pad button.
• The entire process adding up to approx. 8 weeks of problems.
• Waiting to find out if I will be charged for repairs /hour because “apple may see this as a user problem”…therefore making my 300.00 dollar warranty useless for covering the cost of apple sending me a broken computer

Goals of this complaint:

1. To be heard. Throughout this entire process no representative demonstrated any knowledge of my repeated dealings with mac. No one had any previous background knowledge to draw from. I had to re-explain each problem everytime I contacted mac.
2. To express my disappointment. Throughout this process my high expectations of mac have been altered. I expected more from Mac after hearing great reviews from friends and families. I continued to assume the best about mac and its high standard of product but it has become increasingly time consuming dealing with each problem.
3. To inform. If anyone from mac can read this and realize that there are cracks in your delivery/ordering process then your company is better of for it.
4. To hear a response. I will be interested to hear any type of response to this letter and to see how mac deals with its customers after giving them a broken computer and taking their money.

Tom

Everyone,
I have to say I am disheartened by all of this. Having just bought a new iMac G5 from the Bluewater store I can say that it was completely painless. Not only were they friendly, but relatively efficient. Not necessarily quick, but thats more my fault for wanting finance.
I also have a PowerBook G4 12″, 1Ghz model. About a month after getting it, one of the keys on the keyboard came off, not their fault, i was trying to clean under it as it felt a little sticky. Rang them up, sent it in, 2 days later I had my PowerBook back with a whole new keyboard, free of charge.
My father has used Macs at work since the original 128k and has never had any problems with Apple support.
I hope that all these problems are just the unfortunate few bad occasions that will always happen

Tom

Gareth Potter

John,

You are right to remind customers of their right to refund, repair or replacement. In many cases though, the Genii will try to steer you towards a repair, as it costs them less, and in any case can be very difficult to deal with.

Customers should be leaving Apple’s shops thinking how wonderful the experience was, be it a purchase, an exchange, a repair or a refund. Short-changing those who have the audacity to demand a product that works is no way for a premier company to do business.

Gareth

Mike Goltz

A friend of mine has now given up trying after sending in his new iPod 40Gb (bought just before the iPod range went colour) for repair four times, a truly staggering state of affairs. I am in the same boat. My 4th iPod. Certainly getting my extended warranty value – but a definite pain. I have 30 gigs of music on a server and it takes most of a day to reload my music! One time, the area was out of iPods and I had to wait 3 weeks for a replacement. One hell of a way to do business!

john47

I’ve just read this and am quite appalled. I tried at midday to test out to see if I could get an appointment at the Genius Bar at Regents Street today and the answer is ‘try tomorrow”.
Fortunately over the the twenty years of buying 7 macs I have never had a problem.
My advice to people at least in the UK is know your consumer rights. For example
However, since the 31st March 2003, the Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations give you parallel or alternate rights. Instead of a refund, you may choose to ask for a replacement or a repair. Goods which do not conform to the contract within the six months after they were delivered are presumed to have been faulty when you got them. In these cases, you do not have to prove the fault was present when the goods were sold. Instead, the trader must prove that the fault was not present when the goods were sold. The burden of proof is on the trader.
More can be found on http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/your-rights/fs_c04.shtml
I find that nothing focus the mind of unhelpful staff than knowledge of your rights. Don’t stand for the sort of nonsense companies try to con you with.

Robert Gray

I bought a G4 Powerbook in March 05 & had to send it away immediately due to a faulty speaker – it was gone a month! Later I got the battery replaced, which was done very quickly – I was impressed with the recall service. However, after upgrading to iLife 05 & then Tiger…& then downloading all the fixes to the bugs they released the new software with, I have to say that I believe both Apple Hardware & Software to be overpriced for what it is. Its slick & very well marketed but there’s lots of good alternatives turning up now in the form of Picasa, Firefox etc.
Apple beware! Mass production is bound to churn out lots of faults but Apple needs to provide excellent service & fast replacements to be half the company they make themselves out to be.

Gareth Potter

Richard,

I must confess that it is heartening to hear your depressing tale. In my low moments, I sometimes wonder if I am being singled out for this kind of shoddy treatment, but I can at least be thankful that this is not the case.

I came to Apple in 2002, and in that time period have bought 2 iBook G3s and a PowerBook G4, switched my brother and sister both to iBook G4s, bequeathed an iBook to my parents, and have now lost count of the number of friends and acquaintances to whom I have recommended Macs and who now use them.

And yet all that free marketing counts for naught at the Genius Bar. Part of me knows that it should not make a difference, but part of me knows that it bloody well should.

I suppose I should be praising their remarkable egalitarianism – they do, I suppose, treat everyone equally badly – but frankly, it is quite shocking.

It all boils down to this idiotic decision to restrict appointment bookings to Pro Care customers, who, to be honest, should be entitled to something better than a workshy tech with an attitude problem anyway.

But I can’t see them heeding this.

Gareth

Richard D

Regent St. I bought a 2.5 dual in Dec last year.I bought it so I could use Motion and prepare the visuals for my DJ tour in California in February. After one month it died totally. Not living near the store I arranged with apple for it to be picked up for repair, and it disappeared for a month. It came back, this time it had strange artifacts on the screen. I rang apple. said i wanted a new machine. They declined said I needed to take it back to Regent St. I caught a cab £40 and took it back in. I was eventually seen by a “genius”. I explained I wanted a new machine as I had put up with a cpu dying after 4 weeks, and now 2 months later I had a different machine with different problems. I was told it hadnt failed enough to have a new machine. I said my consumer rights told me I could have a new machine or a refund. The genius refused. I said “you’re being stupid” Im an incredibly loyal apple customer, I have 7 machines and spend a lot of money in this store, over 10 friends have bought macs in here because of me. He turned sour and said if u call me stupid again I will dump your mac on the pavement outside and we wont see you. I explained that when I said “you” I meant apple not him but that I was desperate as I was going away the next week and had to finish my visuals. He said they would take it back in and I would have to wait another month as they had a backlog. I was furious but dared not say anything further. I left. A month later I came back. the machine still wasnt ready. I said I wanted a new machine or a refund. They refused. I produced documentation from the trading standards authority showing they should have given me a new machine the first time. The genius took away my “evidence”. He came back said it would be ready by tomorrow, would that be ok, if it wasnt i could have a new machine. ok i thought. not at all happy but i needed a machine. the next day they rang, a new machine was on its way. they hadnt been able to repair it. When I spoke to the Trading Standards the person i spoke to was furious, he said that the genius was breaking the law, and saying he would dump my machine on the street was extremely serious, they have no right to refuse faulty goods. For anyone in this situation, you have a year to return the goods, the onus is on apple to prove the goods weren’t faulty when you bought them, in the past you had to prove they were.
1 Week after the new machine arrived, the firewire port on the front died. This time applecare collected the machine, but as I was going away for 2 weeks I didnt seek a refund and was glad to come home to a new machine again.
Thankfully the last genius was a much more charming person which is why I agreed to wait 1 more day. This episode left me feeling very sour with apple.
I also have another G5 with noise problems, I reported this to apple a year ago, but could not do without the machine. So I am unable to have that fixed because I waited too long to return it. Yet the ticket remains open on their system.
My partners Ibook wont take a 2nd memory chip, it seems there is a fault with the slot inside, they wont fix that as its over a year old, yet the problem is on the motherboard.
My powerbook pc card slot died, they wont fix that I dont have apple care.
My aunts G5 imac wont go to sleep and has been back to apple yet came back and still has the problem, she doesnt want to send it back again it, she has to remember to turn it off as it runs so hot and cant be left alone.
I have many friends with macs and so many have problems, I worry about quality control at the moment.
In spite of this I am still an apple fan, I absolutely depend on them for my livelihood, but I do think that Apple need to create some sort of internal loyalty scheme, treating your longest and deepest supporters over the years like idiots is stupid.

Gareth Potter

Tim,

Too true, too true. As someone who knows what I am talking about as regards matters computorial, to coin a term, I find it very frustrating to deal with people who are often of a significantly lower level of experience. More irritating is the mistruths that they will quite happily feed the more gullible customers as explanations for problems and such.

Gareth

Tim

I’ve only dealt with less-busy stores, and even when there’s no one else there they still make you sign up for an appointment. Odd. I also hate visiting the stores because, as a slightly more experienced user, I can fix most problems they could fix at the store on my own, so there’s nothing they can do for me short of sending it in. Bad connotations there I guess.

Chris Holland

Great piece, Gareth.

I too have been mystified by the whole Genius Bar appointment process, though have been lucky enough to deal with a less busy store. I also quickly figured out to write down the URL of the store, so I could make the appointment from the comfort of my home or office, before aiming to get there about 30 minutes before my anticipated time slot.

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