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		<title>By: Payment By P2P? &#124; Fraz Us !</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Payment By P2P? &#124; Fraz Us !]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] (subscription required) that half a dozen schools have signed on for field tests. The Isle of Man proposed a similar licensing scheme in early 2009, and Noank Media has been building tools to legalize music and video sharing in P2P [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Can P2P Be Made to Pay? - A Collection of Latest Happening in Technology Field</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] (subscription required) that half a dozen schools have signed on for field tests. The Isle of Man proposed a similar licensing scheme in early 2009, and Noank Media has been building tools to legalize music and video sharing in P2P [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Can P2P Be Made to Pay? &#124; Gadget Public Informations</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] (subscription required) that half a dozen schools have signed on for field tests. The Isle of Man proposed a similar licensing scheme in early 2009, and Noank Media has been building tools to legalize music and video sharing in P2P [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Can P2P Be Made to Pay?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] (subscription required) that half a dozen schools have signed on for field tests. The Isle of Man proposed a similar licensing scheme in early 2009, and Noank Media has been building tools to legalize music and video sharing in P2P [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: How To Save The Pirate Bay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How To Save The Pirate Bay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] flat-rate licensing. The music industry is moving towards legal file-sharing platforms, with the first tests starting this year for some U.S. college students and on the Isle of Man. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] flat-rate licensing. The music industry is moving towards legal file-sharing platforms, with the first tests starting this year for some U.S. college students and on the Isle of Man. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Jensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Devon, the sponsorship business model was how early television supported itself.  It will do just fine.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon, the sponsorship business model was how early television supported itself.  It will do just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Devon Copley</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/video/building-the-tools-to-legalize-p2p-video-sharing/#comment-471852</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon Copley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 05:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Scott, I wish you luck with your new endeavor.  Let a thousand flowers bloom!  The sponsorship model you mention was discussed widely at the Digital Hollywood conference and there was general agreement that it does show promise at least for certain types of content -- those types which deliver the demographics advertisers crave.  I remain skeptical on two main points: one, that sponsorships will generate sufficient revenue to cover production, and two, that there are enough sponsors to support more than a fraction of the universe of content.  But I suppose we&#039;ll see.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rekrul: agreed, the price is crucial.  Publishers would have to abandon what I think are frankly unrealistic expectations of retail pricing -- $.99/track (or $15 per kindle download) isn&#039;t going to fly.  And as you suggest, much depends on which classes of content would participate.  But how much do you pay for cable now?  How much &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; you spend on CD&#039;s 15 years ago (if you&#039;re old enough to remember the pre-P2P era for music)?  Personally I think $5/mo for a music-only non-DRM service would be downright fantastic.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I wish you luck with your new endeavor.  Let a thousand flowers bloom!  The sponsorship model you mention was discussed widely at the Digital Hollywood conference and there was general agreement that it does show promise at least for certain types of content &#8212; those types which deliver the demographics advertisers crave.  I remain skeptical on two main points: one, that sponsorships will generate sufficient revenue to cover production, and two, that there are enough sponsors to support more than a fraction of the universe of content.  But I suppose we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Rekrul: agreed, the price is crucial.  Publishers would have to abandon what I think are frankly unrealistic expectations of retail pricing &#8212; $.99/track (or $15 per kindle download) isn&#8217;t going to fly.  And as you suggest, much depends on which classes of content would participate.  But how much do you pay for cable now?  How much <em>did</em> you spend on CD&#8217;s 15 years ago (if you&#8217;re old enough to remember the pre-P2P era for music)?  Personally I think $5/mo for a music-only non-DRM service would be downright fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Rekrul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d consider $5 a month. However, it would not be $5 a month. It would be $5 for music, $10 for movies, $8 for TV shows, $10 for software, etc. And that&#039;s just the starting price. When have prices ever NOT gone up? Before long, you&#039;d be paying $50 a month for P2P downloading.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d consider $5 a month. However, it would not be $5 a month. It would be $5 for music, $10 for movies, $8 for TV shows, $10 for software, etc. And that&#8217;s just the starting price. When have prices ever NOT gone up? Before long, you&#8217;d be paying $50 a month for P2P downloading.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Jensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Devon, read up on the history of television.  The commercial break was a later development.  Sponsorships were the norm during TV&#039;s self-described Golden Age.  Firestone Theatre being an example.  Shifting back to this form of advertising support will be easy.  I&#039;m about to become the chief marketing officer for a company that has already greenlighted four free-to-distribute &quot;TV&quot; shows which we&#039;ll put up free on p2p networks.  The shows will be entirely financed by the company as their official sponsor.  All I believe it will take is a company like the one I&#039;m about work for to show how it is done (again) and the copycats will follow.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for your question: do we really want a world where everything is permeated with advertising?  Yes, actually we do want it for that is the world we live in.  No one drinks a can of &quot;soda&quot;.  They drink Coke, Pepsi, RC Cola, A&amp;W Rootbeer, etc.  They don&#039;t drive around cars that don&#039;t have the automaker&#039;s logos on them.  In fact, nameless or generic-name products on the small and big screen jar people and hurt the suspension of disbelief.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon, read up on the history of television.  The commercial break was a later development.  Sponsorships were the norm during TV&#8217;s self-described Golden Age.  Firestone Theatre being an example.  Shifting back to this form of advertising support will be easy.  I&#8217;m about to become the chief marketing officer for a company that has already greenlighted four free-to-distribute &#8220;TV&#8221; shows which we&#8217;ll put up free on p2p networks.  The shows will be entirely financed by the company as their official sponsor.  All I believe it will take is a company like the one I&#8217;m about work for to show how it is done (again) and the copycats will follow.</p>
<p>As for your question: do we really want a world where everything is permeated with advertising?  Yes, actually we do want it for that is the world we live in.  No one drinks a can of &#8220;soda&#8221;.  They drink Coke, Pepsi, RC Cola, A&amp;W Rootbeer, etc.  They don&#8217;t drive around cars that don&#8217;t have the automaker&#8217;s logos on them.  In fact, nameless or generic-name products on the small and big screen jar people and hurt the suspension of disbelief.</p>
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		<title>By: Devon Copley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devon Copley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;John D: clearly you&#039;re right, the industry&#039;s business model has failed.  And Scott, it&#039;s hard to disagree that from a consumer&#039;s perspective, free is always better than paid, which is why the business model for content has collapsed.  The blanket licensing option starts from the presumption that the retail model has failed.  We also presume that creators of content ought to get paid.  Those who disagree with this second presumption will undoubtedly disapprove of our model.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Scott, I checked out your paper, and if I&#039;m not mistaken it proposes advertising as the solution.  It&#039;s true that ads, sponsorships, product placements and the like can provide some revenue.  But it&#039;s becoming clear that this revenue stream is so meager it doesn&#039;t even support the operations of a distributor -- see Spiralfrog, Pandora -- much less provide money for creators.  And from an experience perspective, do we really &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; a world where everything is permeated with advertising?  Scott, I agree with a lot of the forecasts in your paper, but when you talk about how fiction writers will have to compensate for the loss of retail sales revenue by using &lt;i&gt;product placement in their novels&lt;/i&gt;, well, I suspect a lot of fiction readers will agree with me that they don&#039;t want to live in that world.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To my mind, it comes down to a question of what sort of society we want.  Do we want to live in a world where creators of content can&#039;t make money from what they create?  We don&#039;t have to.  That&#039;s what the blanket licensing option is about.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John D: clearly you&#8217;re right, the industry&#8217;s business model has failed.  And Scott, it&#8217;s hard to disagree that from a consumer&#8217;s perspective, free is always better than paid, which is why the business model for content has collapsed.  The blanket licensing option starts from the presumption that the retail model has failed.  We also presume that creators of content ought to get paid.  Those who disagree with this second presumption will undoubtedly disapprove of our model.</p>
<p>Scott, I checked out your paper, and if I&#8217;m not mistaken it proposes advertising as the solution.  It&#8217;s true that ads, sponsorships, product placements and the like can provide some revenue.  But it&#8217;s becoming clear that this revenue stream is so meager it doesn&#8217;t even support the operations of a distributor &#8212; see Spiralfrog, Pandora &#8212; much less provide money for creators.  And from an experience perspective, do we really <em>want</em> a world where everything is permeated with advertising?  Scott, I agree with a lot of the forecasts in your paper, but when you talk about how fiction writers will have to compensate for the loss of retail sales revenue by using <i>product placement in their novels</i>, well, I suspect a lot of fiction readers will agree with me that they don&#8217;t want to live in that world.</p>
<p>To my mind, it comes down to a question of what sort of society we want.  Do we want to live in a world where creators of content can&#8217;t make money from what they create?  We don&#8217;t have to.  That&#8217;s what the blanket licensing option is about.</p>
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		<title>By: Janko</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 01:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;TK, but it could provide a lot more value. An ISP with a flat rate licensing scheme could set up an Audiogalaxy type of service for his customers in no time, without having to worry about any legal consequences ...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TK, but it could provide a lot more value. An ISP with a flat rate licensing scheme could set up an Audiogalaxy type of service for his customers in no time, without having to worry about any legal consequences &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: whoisit1998</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[whoisit1998]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 22:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I think all they are talking about would be a register that the media providers sign up to, and then through the ISP-fee, the proceeeds go to those that have signed up to this register... ISP&#039;s can add this to their standard subscription price, its a win-win for everyone... the consumer would no longer have to worry about &#039;pirating&#039; the isp doesnt have to worry about anything either and the media providers get their royalty fees...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all they are talking about would be a register that the media providers sign up to, and then through the ISP-fee, the proceeeds go to those that have signed up to this register&#8230; ISP&#8217;s can add this to their standard subscription price, its a win-win for everyone&#8230; the consumer would no longer have to worry about &#8216;pirating&#8217; the isp doesnt have to worry about anything either and the media providers get their royalty fees&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Remco</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Remco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Maybe they should give the guys at Joost a ring to pick their brain. The invested a couple of million developing a P2P video network that can do much of the same and failed miserably. Maybe they can help!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they should give the guys at Joost a ring to pick their brain. The invested a couple of million developing a P2P video network that can do much of the same and failed miserably. Maybe they can help!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Jensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 17:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I just don&#039;t see this scheme working.  If given a choice between getting something for free or paying for it, guess which wins?  Guess which is winning right now?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are other business models that can profit from p2p.  I proposed one in a white paper (&quot;The P2P Revolution&quot;) in 2003 and it gives away entertainment content for free.  Here&#039;s a link to it: http://www.nonesuch.org/p2prevolution.pdf&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t see this scheme working.  If given a choice between getting something for free or paying for it, guess which wins?  Guess which is winning right now?</p>
<p>There are other business models that can profit from p2p.  I proposed one in a white paper (&#8220;The P2P Revolution&#8221;) in 2003 and it gives away entertainment content for free.  Here&#8217;s a link to it: <a href="http://www.nonesuch.org/p2prevolution.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nonesuch.org/p2prevolution.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: John D.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 12:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;We are coming to a time where technology supplants an industry.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately due to our over bloated government, this industry has the ability to impose its failed business model longer then the others before it were able to.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If one looks at how technology will reshape the media-distribution system, one can look at the success Trent Reznor and his collaboration project, NIN, has succeeded without having a label or industry to market and distribute his media&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://vodpod.com/watch/1342866-my-midemnet-presentation-trent-reznor-and-the-formula-for-&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This presentation is the wake up call to the media labels that their time is at an end, and describes the path where individuals will have the freedom to share original content on their own terms and make money the way they want to.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are coming to a time where technology supplants an industry.</p>
<p>Unfortunately due to our over bloated government, this industry has the ability to impose its failed business model longer then the others before it were able to.</p>
<p>If one looks at how technology will reshape the media-distribution system, one can look at the success Trent Reznor and his collaboration project, NIN, has succeeded without having a label or industry to market and distribute his media</p>
<p><a href="http://vodpod.com/watch/1342866-my-midemnet-presentation-trent-reznor-and-the-formula-for-" rel="nofollow">http://vodpod.com/watch/1342866-my-midemnet-presentation-trent-reznor-and-the-formula-for-</a></p>
<p>This presentation is the wake up call to the media labels that their time is at an end, and describes the path where individuals will have the freedom to share original content on their own terms and make money the way they want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Timekeeper</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timekeeper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I already pay my ISP $40 a month to download videos, music, web pages, etc....  Why would I want to pay them even $1 more?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Record companies should try and squeeze more money out of consumers by providing more value.  $5 fee per subscriber per month is not providing any more value.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of all of these fees currently being collected world wide, it would be interesting to know how much is actually going back to the rights holder.  It looks like there is another company just muscling into the value chain but providing no more value to the consumer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Such a scheme might benefit Rights holders with huge popular libraries as they will take the lions share of the revenue.  Small independent holders, who really use the internet for low cost distribution would see next to nothing from this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;TK&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already pay my ISP $40 a month to download videos, music, web pages, etc&#8230;.  Why would I want to pay them even $1 more?</p>
<p>Record companies should try and squeeze more money out of consumers by providing more value.  $5 fee per subscriber per month is not providing any more value.</p>
<p>Of all of these fees currently being collected world wide, it would be interesting to know how much is actually going back to the rights holder.  It looks like there is another company just muscling into the value chain but providing no more value to the consumer.</p>
<p>Such a scheme might benefit Rights holders with huge popular libraries as they will take the lions share of the revenue.  Small independent holders, who really use the internet for low cost distribution would see next to nothing from this.</p>
<p>TK</p>
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