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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;By the way, I&#039;ve read other reports of a 2.5 hour install for SP1.  However, I guess it&#039;s important to remember that it&#039;s a beta so not everything will be perfect yet. &lt;/p&gt;
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<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve read other reports of a 2.5 hour install for SP1.  However, I guess it&#8217;s important to remember that it&#8217;s a beta so not everything will be perfect yet. </p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi James, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Have you noticed whether SP1 improves battery life at all as it&#039;s supposed to?  Also, are you still getting that screen flashing when you dock the P1610?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t have any of the disk thrashing problems you mention on my P1610 but one big difference is that I don&#039;t run antivirus on it (I just don&#039;t think it&#039;s powerful enough for antivirus and prefer to take the risk of infection over a slow lappie).  I&#039;m sure my P1610 generally sleeps faster than 13 seconds as well although I haven&#039;t tested this and it seems to depend on what&#039;s running.  Have you tried uninstalling OneCare for a couple of days to see if that helps?  Occasionally I install NOD32 to run a virus scan and I find that my P1610 slows right down with it installed and NOD32 is about as lightweight as AV software comes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>Hi James, </p>
<p>Have you noticed whether SP1 improves battery life at all as it&#8217;s supposed to?  Also, are you still getting that screen flashing when you dock the P1610?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any of the disk thrashing problems you mention on my P1610 but one big difference is that I don&#8217;t run antivirus on it (I just don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s powerful enough for antivirus and prefer to take the risk of infection over a slow lappie).  I&#8217;m sure my P1610 generally sleeps faster than 13 seconds as well although I haven&#8217;t tested this and it seems to depend on what&#8217;s running.  Have you tried uninstalling OneCare for a couple of days to see if that helps?  Occasionally I install NOD32 to run a virus scan and I find that my P1610 slows right down with it installed and NOD32 is about as lightweight as AV software comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Hughes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;James,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Did you install any of the KB updates that increased performance and reliability {the reliability/performance pack (KB 938194) and the compatibility and stability pack (KB 938979)} before doing SP1? Those I actually saw an increase in boot times as well as hibernate and restore as well as less disk thrashing on my P1610. I didn&#039;t notice much difference from installing SP1.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also if you run the SP1 As Administrator by right-clicking on the installer and select &quot;Run as Administrator&quot; first, then it won&#039;t take  as long to extract the files. If you don&#039;t from my experience it took almost 15-20 minutes just to fail through the copying of files the first time,then you finally get the UAC dialog. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also did you have doubling of login accounts from the OmniPass software? I did when I installed the KBs, but not when I installed SP1. The fix for me was uninstalling and reinstalling the OmniPass software.&lt;br /&gt;
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<p>James,</p>
<p>Did you install any of the KB updates that increased performance and reliability {the reliability/performance pack (KB 938194) and the compatibility and stability pack (KB 938979)} before doing SP1? Those I actually saw an increase in boot times as well as hibernate and restore as well as less disk thrashing on my P1610. I didn&#8217;t notice much difference from installing SP1.</p>
<p>Also if you run the SP1 As Administrator by right-clicking on the installer and select &#8220;Run as Administrator&#8221; first, then it won&#8217;t take  as long to extract the files. If you don&#8217;t from my experience it took almost 15-20 minutes just to fail through the copying of files the first time,then you finally get the UAC dialog. </p>
<p>Also did you have doubling of login accounts from the OmniPass software? I did when I installed the KBs, but not when I installed SP1. The fix for me was uninstalling and reinstalling the OmniPass software.
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		<title>By: Brian Hoyt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Hoyt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I have over 100 Vista Toshiba M400 with 2 GB of RAM and disk thrashing seems to be all they do.  It is some combination of offline files and the windows search that causes the machines to have serious issues.  I am getting a test machine ready with SP1 to see the results.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I have over 100 Vista Toshiba M400 with 2 GB of RAM and disk thrashing seems to be all they do.  It is some combination of offline files and the windows search that causes the machines to have serious issues.  I am getting a test machine ready with SP1 to see the results.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kendrick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Kendrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;No doubt the 2 GB of RAM is key with Vista in general.  No one with that much RAM has reported severe disk thrashing like that on 1 GB machines.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was running the beta of OneCare, thanks for reminding me.  That may be why it failed with SP1 as MS probably didn&#039;t test that.  It&#039;s running fine now on the live version of OneCare so it&#039;s probably time to try the beta of 2.0 again.  :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>No doubt the 2 GB of RAM is key with Vista in general.  No one with that much RAM has reported severe disk thrashing like that on 1 GB machines.</p>
<p>I was running the beta of OneCare, thanks for reminding me.  That may be why it failed with SP1 as MS probably didn&#8217;t test that.  It&#8217;s running fine now on the live version of OneCare so it&#8217;s probably time to try the beta of 2.0 again.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C. Tofel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C. Tofel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;This experience exemplifies something I alluded to a few weeks back: inconsistent experiences with Windows. My SP1 install was just under 1.5 hours and at least 45 minutes of that was file extraction and preparation. My UMPC with a slower CPU (but with more RAM) never experienced the issues that James saw on his P1610. First limited impressions for me: no difference, but then again, I never saw the disk thrashing and slow sleep / resume issues. &lt;/p&gt;
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<p>This experience exemplifies something I alluded to a few weeks back: inconsistent experiences with Windows. My SP1 install was just under 1.5 hours and at least 45 minutes of that was file extraction and preparation. My UMPC with a slower CPU (but with more RAM) never experienced the issues that James saw on his P1610. First limited impressions for me: no difference, but then again, I never saw the disk thrashing and slow sleep / resume issues. </p>
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		<title>By: GoodThings2Life</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GoodThings2Life]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yeah, 2.5 hours for an SP install is absurd unless it&#039;s making drastic changes to the system.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, are you using the 2.0 beta, or the live 1.6 version of OneCare? If you&#039;re still using 1.6 like I am, you might consider taking the plunge to 2.0.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>Yeah, 2.5 hours for an SP install is absurd unless it&#8217;s making drastic changes to the system.</p>
<p>Anyway, are you using the 2.0 beta, or the live 1.6 version of OneCare? If you&#8217;re still using 1.6 like I am, you might consider taking the plunge to 2.0.</p>
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		<title>By: Arne Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arne Hess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;2.5 hours is fairly long. The pure installation on my P4 3 GHz took around 25 minutes, followed by a 30 minutes configuration period with a couple of reboots (&lt;a href=&quot;http://arne.blog.theunwired.net/?itemid=4166).&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://arne.blog.theunwired.net/?itemid=4166).&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So far I&#039;ve installed it on my PC only. Tablet was the next to address the same issues you mentioned above.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>2.5 hours is fairly long. The pure installation on my P4 3 GHz took around 25 minutes, followed by a 30 minutes configuration period with a couple of reboots (<a href="http://arne.blog.theunwired.net/?itemid=4166)." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://arne.blog.theunwired.net/?itemid=4166" rel="nofollow">http://arne.blog.theunwired.net/?itemid=4166</a>).</p>
<p>So far I&#8217;ve installed it on my PC only. Tablet was the next to address the same issues you mentioned above.</p>
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