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		<title>By: Rodders</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/thoughts-on-the-apple-multi-touch-patent-look-out-microsoft/#comment-411998</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rodders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Juan says: &quot;Anyways, just mentioning the possibility of using a patent against a dying company of glorious past makes me reject Apple products forever. No more ipods for me.&quot;

Ummm... maybe I&#039;m wrong, but in this article at least there is nothing that says to me that Apple IS considering suing Palm, just speculation by the blog poster that they MIGHT, or perhaps COULD... I&#039;m not sure that a bloggers opinion of what may happen should be a reflection on Apple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan says: &#8220;Anyways, just mentioning the possibility of using a patent against a dying company of glorious past makes me reject Apple products forever. No more ipods for me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm&#8230; maybe I&#8217;m wrong, but in this article at least there is nothing that says to me that Apple IS considering suing Palm, just speculation by the blog poster that they MIGHT, or perhaps COULD&#8230; I&#8217;m not sure that a bloggers opinion of what may happen should be a reflection on Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Dub Dublin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dub Dublin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple&#039;s patent is probably on pretty shaky ground - this concept has been around, and well documented, for more than a decade prior to the advent of the iPhone.  Don&#039;t believe me?  Google &quot;Sun Starfire Video&quot; and watch it for yourself ( http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&amp;search_query=Sun+Starfire+Video&amp;aq=f ) Although there&#039;s a lot more than multitouch on display there, it definitely makes an appearance - note especially the use of spreading two fingers to signify a &quot;copy&quot; operation on the Starfire computer, as well as more advanced gestures Apple won&#039;t be able to do for years...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple&#8217;s patent is probably on pretty shaky ground &#8211; this concept has been around, and well documented, for more than a decade prior to the advent of the iPhone.  Don&#8217;t believe me?  Google &#8220;Sun Starfire Video&#8221; and watch it for yourself ( <a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&#038;search_query=Sun+Starfire+Video&#038;aq=f" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&#038;search_query=Sun+Starfire+Video&#038;aq=f</a> ) Although there&#8217;s a lot more than multitouch on display there, it definitely makes an appearance &#8211; note especially the use of spreading two fingers to signify a &#8220;copy&#8221; operation on the Starfire computer, as well as more advanced gestures Apple won&#8217;t be able to do for years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pjb926</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/thoughts-on-the-apple-multi-touch-patent-look-out-microsoft/#comment-411996</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pjb926]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with KDarling.  Apple can fill as much space as they want with fluff about use cases and embodiments, but the claims section is the only part that contains the patentable idea(s).  The rest is to help explain how the patent might be used because the inventor is required under patent law to provide enough information in the patent so that someone else skilled in the art can implement the invention themselves.

The soft keyboard would never hold up, even if they had been awarded it, since touch keyboards have been around since the first touchscreen devices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with KDarling.  Apple can fill as much space as they want with fluff about use cases and embodiments, but the claims section is the only part that contains the patentable idea(s).  The rest is to help explain how the patent might be used because the inventor is required under patent law to provide enough information in the patent so that someone else skilled in the art can implement the invention themselves.</p>
<p>The soft keyboard would never hold up, even if they had been awarded it, since touch keyboards have been around since the first touchscreen devices.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/thoughts-on-the-apple-multi-touch-patent-look-out-microsoft/#comment-411995</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patents Armaggedon?

I&#039;m not the first to point out that Palm, after 20 years in the market, should have a good numbers of patents related with, hummm, palm-size devices and their interacion methods.

If Apple finally starts the war, maybe it would be a grosser miscalculation even compared with that (in)famous initiative of divide Palm between palm source and palm one. I am not an specialist in interface patents, but maybe suddenly Apple finds itself surrounded by counterattacks from patents that cover more devices than iphone.

Anyways, just mentioning the possibility of using a patent against a dying company of glorious past makes me reject Apple products forever. No more ipods for me, and I will not be a macbook owner, what I almost became.

Shame on Apple]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patents Armaggedon?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the first to point out that Palm, after 20 years in the market, should have a good numbers of patents related with, hummm, palm-size devices and their interacion methods.</p>
<p>If Apple finally starts the war, maybe it would be a grosser miscalculation even compared with that (in)famous initiative of divide Palm between palm source and palm one. I am not an specialist in interface patents, but maybe suddenly Apple finds itself surrounded by counterattacks from patents that cover more devices than iphone.</p>
<p>Anyways, just mentioning the possibility of using a patent against a dying company of glorious past makes me reject Apple products forever. No more ipods for me, and I will not be a macbook owner, what I almost became.</p>
<p>Shame on Apple</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/thoughts-on-the-apple-multi-touch-patent-look-out-microsoft/#comment-411994</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much better breakdown of the situation is now available:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much better breakdown of the situation is now available:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/</a></p>
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		<title>By: KDarling</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KDarling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good grief.  

Neither the application abstract nor the other 300 pages are covered by the patent.  No keyboards or touch or pinch or whatever.

The CLAIMS section is the ONLY thing you should read and comment on.  And it&#039;s extremely tiny and specific to a certain way of determining scrolling etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief.  </p>
<p>Neither the application abstract nor the other 300 pages are covered by the patent.  No keyboards or touch or pinch or whatever.</p>
<p>The CLAIMS section is the ONLY thing you should read and comment on.  And it&#8217;s extremely tiny and specific to a certain way of determining scrolling etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Sumocat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sumocat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Anže: Nobody claimed Apple is the biggest competitor in the PC market. I would recommend reading comments thoroughly before posting one of your own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anže: Nobody claimed Apple is the biggest competitor in the PC market. I would recommend reading comments thoroughly before posting one of your own.</p>
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		<title>By: DrCaffeine</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/thoughts-on-the-apple-multi-touch-patent-look-out-microsoft/#comment-411991</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DrCaffeine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Certainly the big guys -- Apple / Microsoft / IBM /etc -- all have cross-licensing deals.

The real impact is on the smaller, innovative companies attempting to bring something new and creative to the market. These sorts of patents on heuristics (defn: common sense rules) and processes serve to stifle innovation, and hence competition, because although they may be overturned later in court, the little guys just don&#039;t have the resources to fight lengthy court battle. 

And even if they win on one patent, the massive patent portfolios of the major players can be used to destroy the competition by attrition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly the big guys &#8212; Apple / Microsoft / IBM /etc &#8212; all have cross-licensing deals.</p>
<p>The real impact is on the smaller, innovative companies attempting to bring something new and creative to the market. These sorts of patents on heuristics (defn: common sense rules) and processes serve to stifle innovation, and hence competition, because although they may be overturned later in court, the little guys just don&#8217;t have the resources to fight lengthy court battle. </p>
<p>And even if they win on one patent, the massive patent portfolios of the major players can be used to destroy the competition by attrition.</p>
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		<title>By: bluemonq</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/thoughts-on-the-apple-multi-touch-patent-look-out-microsoft/#comment-411990</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bluemonq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kevin &amp; Mike: Granted, if blogs didn&#039;t speculate and editorialize, there&#039;d be a lot less posts and a lot more bloggers in the unemployment line :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin &amp; Mike: Granted, if blogs didn&#8217;t speculate and editorialize, there&#8217;d be a lot less posts and a lot more bloggers in the unemployment line :D</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C. Tofel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C. Tofel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I’m surprised everyone is devoting so many words to this issue.&quot;

Probably the best line I&#039;ve heard on the topic today. I tend to agree. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m surprised everyone is devoting so many words to this issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Probably the best line I&#8217;ve heard on the topic today. I tend to agree. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: mikecane</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/thoughts-on-the-apple-multi-touch-patent-look-out-microsoft/#comment-411988</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mikecane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I expect Apple&#039;s patent for the non-screen area will be found to infringe on Palm&#039;s patent for its Graffiti area (hey, just because most gestures were for ABC123 doesn&#039;t mean *all* were -- C/C/P, CommandBar, etc).  And, of course, Palm had a soft keyboard well before the iPhone was even thought of.  Plus, Apple at one time wanted to buy Palm.

I&#039;m surprised everyone is devoting so many words to this issue.  I&#039;ve dismissed it in a few comments and tweets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect Apple&#8217;s patent for the non-screen area will be found to infringe on Palm&#8217;s patent for its Graffiti area (hey, just because most gestures were for ABC123 doesn&#8217;t mean *all* were &#8212; C/C/P, CommandBar, etc).  And, of course, Palm had a soft keyboard well before the iPhone was even thought of.  Plus, Apple at one time wanted to buy Palm.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised everyone is devoting so many words to this issue.  I&#8217;ve dismissed it in a few comments and tweets.</p>
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		<title>By: Dudeman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dudeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Appreciate the reply! :)

I&#039;m not sure if this post was meant to be flamebait, generate hits, etc., but come on guys.  I know you can do better than this.
I&#039;ve been reading JkOnTheRun for some time now and lately the articles just don&#039;t seem as informed as they used to be.

I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s lack of time, interest, or what have you, but the suppositions offered to lots of the news out there just don&#039;t seem to be well though out.

You state as fact a few times in the article that Apple WILL take this action and that, but you have no source to back up these statements.  Then a few paragraphs later, you say it&#039;s all speculation..?? COME ON!

I pretty sure you guys have posting quotas now that you are owned by Gig Om, but please take one minute to read over and think about what your posting.

I&#039;m only writing this because I care, so please don&#039;t take it as an attack.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate the reply! :)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this post was meant to be flamebait, generate hits, etc., but come on guys.  I know you can do better than this.<br />
I&#8217;ve been reading JkOnTheRun for some time now and lately the articles just don&#8217;t seem as informed as they used to be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s lack of time, interest, or what have you, but the suppositions offered to lots of the news out there just don&#8217;t seem to be well though out.</p>
<p>You state as fact a few times in the article that Apple WILL take this action and that, but you have no source to back up these statements.  Then a few paragraphs later, you say it&#8217;s all speculation..?? COME ON!</p>
<p>I pretty sure you guys have posting quotas now that you are owned by Gig Om, but please take one minute to read over and think about what your posting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m only writing this because I care, so please don&#8217;t take it as an attack.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kendrick</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/thoughts-on-the-apple-multi-touch-patent-look-out-microsoft/#comment-411986</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Kendrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dudeman, no I do not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dudeman, no I do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dudeman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/thoughts-on-the-apple-multi-touch-patent-look-out-microsoft/#comment-411985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dudeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It needs to be asked, &quot;DOES JAMES KENDRICK OWN APPLE STOCK?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It needs to be asked, &#8220;DOES JAMES KENDRICK OWN APPLE STOCK?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bluemonq</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/thoughts-on-the-apple-multi-touch-patent-look-out-microsoft/#comment-411984</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bluemonq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This is a moot point with the patent having been awarded to Apple and let’s be fair they did produce the iPhone with multi-touch, the first actual product to have the technology.&quot;

Moot? It&#039;s not moot at all; it could end up being part of the foundation to challenge the awarding of this patent. I&#039;m really trying to not read anything into this, but it sounds almost as if you&#039;re already convinced that that multi-touch is Apple&#039;s baby, through and through.

Sure, Apple is the first company to sell a capacitive multitouch device targeted at the general public. But lest you forget, Fingerworks sold a line of multitouch peripherals for industrial and commerical use until 2005 - when it was bought by Apple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is a moot point with the patent having been awarded to Apple and let’s be fair they did produce the iPhone with multi-touch, the first actual product to have the technology.&#8221;</p>
<p>Moot? It&#8217;s not moot at all; it could end up being part of the foundation to challenge the awarding of this patent. I&#8217;m really trying to not read anything into this, but it sounds almost as if you&#8217;re already convinced that that multi-touch is Apple&#8217;s baby, through and through.</p>
<p>Sure, Apple is the first company to sell a capacitive multitouch device targeted at the general public. But lest you forget, Fingerworks sold a line of multitouch peripherals for industrial and commerical use until 2005 &#8211; when it was bought by Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This patent will be overruled in court, Jeff Han and his company Perceptive Pixel already own the multi-touch patent and have been experimenting with it for years! I believe that Microsoft has been licensing it for its Microsoft Surface.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This patent will be overruled in court, Jeff Han and his company Perceptive Pixel already own the multi-touch patent and have been experimenting with it for years! I believe that Microsoft has been licensing it for its Microsoft Surface.</p>
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