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		<title>By: Roveit</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/palms-jeff-hawk/#comment-366722</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Am I missing something? Doesn&#039;t the answer to the holy grail of instant on exist but just hasn&#039;t been put together:&lt;br /&gt;
This would be an instant on netbook with arm processor $300-$400 (Foleo too expensive - I&#039;ll take Asus or MSI thanks) running Windows Mobile or if it has to a Linux os with a great browser (Opera?). Using the existing WIndows Mobile platform while not perfect would allow familar apps like Handbase, E-wallet, Phatnotes, Evernote, Pocket Informant, ebook readers etc etc to be readily utilised.&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe I am the odd one out but I&#039;ve been waiting for this device since the HP Jornada 820 in 1998! &lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Am I missing something? Doesn&#8217;t the answer to the holy grail of instant on exist but just hasn&#8217;t been put together:<br />
This would be an instant on netbook with arm processor $300-$400 (Foleo too expensive &#8211; I&#8217;ll take Asus or MSI thanks) running Windows Mobile or if it has to a Linux os with a great browser (Opera?). Using the existing WIndows Mobile platform while not perfect would allow familar apps like Handbase, E-wallet, Phatnotes, Evernote, Pocket Informant, ebook readers etc etc to be readily utilised.<br />
Maybe I am the odd one out but I&#8217;ve been waiting for this device since the HP Jornada 820 in 1998! </p>
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		<title>By: zenofit</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/palms-jeff-hawk/#comment-366723</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;The irony is that if you read the history of Palm, the Pilot was a fluke.&lt;br /&gt;
Palm was actually trying to create the Foleo years ago.&lt;br /&gt;
You see statements just like the one above from Hawkins way back in the 90s about an instant on and simple computer.&lt;br /&gt;
They ran out of money and needed a product so created the Palm Pilot.&lt;br /&gt;
I think Hawkins saw the &quot;Smartphone Companion&quot; as a way in the door for a new computing platform as he originally envisioned it.&lt;br /&gt;
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<p>The irony is that if you read the history of Palm, the Pilot was a fluke.<br />
Palm was actually trying to create the Foleo years ago.<br />
You see statements just like the one above from Hawkins way back in the 90s about an instant on and simple computer.<br />
They ran out of money and needed a product so created the Palm Pilot.<br />
I think Hawkins saw the &#8220;Smartphone Companion&#8221; as a way in the door for a new computing platform as he originally envisioned it.
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		<title>By: Montevale</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/palms-jeff-hawk/#comment-366724</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Foleo and Redfly are both would be great devices... when the next generation ARM or VIA or Intel chips will make it into the phones and this would be the reason to have a very strong CPU for a phone.&lt;br /&gt;
Instant on connected to your always on phone!&lt;br /&gt;
Netbooks are nice but they are not going to replace my tablet/notebook. I still need to get a connection for the netbook (wifi or gsm whatever). &lt;br /&gt;
1.Foleo/Redfly network connection would be seamless.&lt;br /&gt;
2. No data to store on it.&lt;br /&gt;
3. Nothing to install on it and nothing to maintain.&lt;br /&gt;
4. Instant on, or always on?&lt;br /&gt;
5. Battery backup for your phone.&lt;br /&gt;
If this thing can be bought for under a $100 it would certanly find a market.&lt;br /&gt;
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<p>Foleo and Redfly are both would be great devices&#8230; when the next generation ARM or VIA or Intel chips will make it into the phones and this would be the reason to have a very strong CPU for a phone.<br />
Instant on connected to your always on phone!<br />
Netbooks are nice but they are not going to replace my tablet/notebook. I still need to get a connection for the netbook (wifi or gsm whatever). <br />
1.Foleo/Redfly network connection would be seamless.<br />
2. No data to store on it.<br />
3. Nothing to install on it and nothing to maintain.<br />
4. Instant on, or always on?<br />
5. Battery backup for your phone.<br />
If this thing can be bought for under a $100 it would certanly find a market.
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Yeah, Hawkins doesn&#039;t see netbooks as the same category as the Foleo...just as a laptop isn&#039;t the same category as a smartphone, even though they can do many of the same things.  Hawkins basically just wants a really good I/O experience for stuff that is on (or comes in via) his smartphone, and that means a bigger screen and full keyboard.  I think the closest thing, besides the Redfly, that would appeal to him would be the HTC Advantage, but as it&#039;s saddled with Windows Mobile, it probably wouldn&#039;t satisfy him very much (he still believes in the the Zen of Palm, i.e., simplicity, being at the core of a great user experience).&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Yeah, Hawkins doesn&#8217;t see netbooks as the same category as the Foleo&#8230;just as a laptop isn&#8217;t the same category as a smartphone, even though they can do many of the same things.  Hawkins basically just wants a really good I/O experience for stuff that is on (or comes in via) his smartphone, and that means a bigger screen and full keyboard.  I think the closest thing, besides the Redfly, that would appeal to him would be the HTC Advantage, but as it&#8217;s saddled with Windows Mobile, it probably wouldn&#8217;t satisfy him very much (he still believes in the the Zen of Palm, i.e., simplicity, being at the core of a great user experience).</p>
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		<title>By: James Kendrick</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;As stated here the real benefit is ALL DAY BATTERY LIFE.  This cannot be stated strongly enough and the biggest advantage I got out of using the Redfly for a while.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>As stated here the real benefit is ALL DAY BATTERY LIFE.  This cannot be stated strongly enough and the biggest advantage I got out of using the Redfly for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: zenofit</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/palms-jeff-hawk/#comment-366727</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I think he&#039;s dead on here and was dead on with the Foleo.&lt;br /&gt;
Most people who purchase netbooks use them simply to type a few paragraphs on the run and surf the Internet in the few available minutes here an there.&lt;br /&gt;
The key reason I think Hawkins gets it and most of us geeks don&#039;t is the &quot;instant on&quot; aspect.  &lt;br /&gt;
Can you imagine how much less useful you phone would be if it wasn&#039;t instant on?  The only reason computers have gotten away with long boot up times is because they were never based on a device; the telephone; that was instantly usable.&lt;br /&gt;
I would love for James and Kevin to start thinking about how much &quot;instant on&quot; in a netbook sized device would impact their daily system usage.&lt;br /&gt;
Think about this for a few seconds.  &quot;How many times in the last few days have you thought about looking something up, typing up your thoughts, or replying to an email, but decided not too because you didn&#039;t feel like booting up your device?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I think he&#8217;s dead on here and was dead on with the Foleo.<br />
Most people who purchase netbooks use them simply to type a few paragraphs on the run and surf the Internet in the few available minutes here an there.<br />
The key reason I think Hawkins gets it and most of us geeks don&#8217;t is the &#8220;instant on&#8221; aspect.  <br />
Can you imagine how much less useful you phone would be if it wasn&#8217;t instant on?  The only reason computers have gotten away with long boot up times is because they were never based on a device; the telephone; that was instantly usable.<br />
I would love for James and Kevin to start thinking about how much &#8220;instant on&#8221; in a netbook sized device would impact their daily system usage.<br />
Think about this for a few seconds.  &#8220;How many times in the last few days have you thought about looking something up, typing up your thoughts, or replying to an email, but decided not too because you didn&#8217;t feel like booting up your device?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/palms-jeff-hawk/#comment-366728</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are two benefits of ARM devices like the Foleo that current netbooks cannot match:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. Instant, seamless wakeup, because ARM devices have the potential not to be fully suspended. Too often, I read of multi-second wakeup times, or the display or WiFi or touchpad not waking up with the rest of the computer. Solution: Don&#039;t go to sleep.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. Real battery life, without using bulges. This is what allows the device to be never truly suspended. I think Intel will get there, eventually. Windows may be a different story. Companies like Nokia and Red Hat (for the OLPC) have invested into making Linux take very little power when idle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I saw the Foleo at LinuxWorld and really liked it, but Palm wasn&#039;t ready. My Nokia Internet Tablet is the second-best I&#039;m settling for.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>There are two benefits of ARM devices like the Foleo that current netbooks cannot match:</p>
<p>1. Instant, seamless wakeup, because ARM devices have the potential not to be fully suspended. Too often, I read of multi-second wakeup times, or the display or WiFi or touchpad not waking up with the rest of the computer. Solution: Don&#8217;t go to sleep.</p>
<p>2. Real battery life, without using bulges. This is what allows the device to be never truly suspended. I think Intel will get there, eventually. Windows may be a different story. Companies like Nokia and Red Hat (for the OLPC) have invested into making Linux take very little power when idle.</p>
<p>I saw the Foleo at LinuxWorld and really liked it, but Palm wasn&#8217;t ready. My Nokia Internet Tablet is the second-best I&#8217;m settling for.</p>
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