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		<title>By: Quinton</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/editorial-the-uphill-battle-microsoft-faces-with-windows-mobile/#comment-413414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quinton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like spinedoc, I currently use an iPhone and I too miss the power of the Windows Mobile platform.  The main problem to me is that Microsoft isn&#039;t making their own hardware. One would think that with the acquisition of Danger by MS that they would have yet again ventured into an area where they have had success - building their own hardware (look at the Xbox &amp; to some extent, the Zune).  Lo and behold they instead hammered out an agreement with LG for 50 WinMo handsets. Fifty!  Where does this leave the less than tech savy consumer? In the position as before, Limbo. 

Brand recognition goes out the door with all these different manufacturers, each producing numerous WinMo phones. Software updates? We remain at the mercy of the carriers &amp; manufacturers. Is Windows mobile 6.5 enough? Hell no! Any advances made on the UI  are nullified by the fact that MS refuses to manufacture their own hardware.  Well, I guess it&#039;s more xda-developers for my upgrades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like spinedoc, I currently use an iPhone and I too miss the power of the Windows Mobile platform.  The main problem to me is that Microsoft isn&#8217;t making their own hardware. One would think that with the acquisition of Danger by MS that they would have yet again ventured into an area where they have had success &#8211; building their own hardware (look at the Xbox &amp; to some extent, the Zune).  Lo and behold they instead hammered out an agreement with LG for 50 WinMo handsets. Fifty!  Where does this leave the less than tech savy consumer? In the position as before, Limbo. </p>
<p>Brand recognition goes out the door with all these different manufacturers, each producing numerous WinMo phones. Software updates? We remain at the mercy of the carriers &amp; manufacturers. Is Windows mobile 6.5 enough? Hell no! Any advances made on the UI  are nullified by the fact that MS refuses to manufacture their own hardware.  Well, I guess it&#8217;s more xda-developers for my upgrades.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Edwards]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is surprising that Microsoft monopoly machine has been busy elsewhere, hardly noticing that the future of the Open Web is slipping through their fingers.  So much for the fabled monopolist&#039;s iron grip.

Because of some prescient decisions Apple made early on with iPhone and WebKit, the edge of the Web is now in position to define the future of the entire Web platform.  It seems to me that Apple made three very important decisions early on in the iPhone design, that are now driving forces:

..... iPhone browser based on an open source WebKit community.  

..... Development of the WebKit layout/rendering engine to support a rapidly advancing Web document model based on HTML5, CSS3, SVG/Canvas, and JavaScript+

..... The open standards based Webkit document model is also the basis of a standards based Web application framework (Sproutcore).  

The Web is a document centric platform that has long suffered because browser wars effectively crippled the advance of the HTML document model.  Incompatibilities between browsers provided vendors like Microsoft with the opportunity to devise their own Web formats, protocols and interfaces.  Today, Microsoft applications offer a &quot;Web duality&quot; where users can basically choose between low end &quot;crippled&quot; but open standard HTML technologies, or, high end &quot;feature rich&quot; but proprietary .NET-WPF technologies.

This Hobbsian choice works well for Microsoft because of the volumes of Microsoft business users bound to the MSOffice-Outlook-Access desktop productivity environment through years of client/server systems and business process development.  Rather than lose critically important information or break a business process on conversion to Open Web standard but low end technologies, business users will likely choose the feature rich and &quot;integrated-interoperable&quot; but proprietary solution.  Even if it is beyond expensive.

Microsoft knows this and indeed has built out their entire WebStack-Cloud-RiA initiative holding all the business aces.  Where they missed it though is the incredible surge in edge of the Web computational devices.  MS fought hard to protect their monopoly base while getting the proprietary pieces in place to leverage that monopoly across the Web.  They are believed to have paid over $14 Billion in penalties and settlements in their zeal to block competition. Yet here we are; the future of the Open Web is being defined at the edge, and Microsoft is not to be found.  They have been caught uncharacteristically out of position, without a play. 

There&#039;s something else happening at the edge.  The iPhone has blasted through the barrier of legacy user interface and interaction with an incredible multi-dimensional, multi-media, highly visual model.  On the one hand we have Jen-Hsun Huang, clutching the Nvidia ION in his palm, waxing eloquent about the graphical processing power demanded by the Age of Visual Computing.  And on the other, we have the WebKit-iPhone community sinking graphical transformations and visual transitions into the Open Web document model (CSS - Canvas) instead of into some platform specific API!

At last year&#039;s Web 2.0 Conference, Microsoft was selling hard their VML-XAML-Silverlight-Mesh proprietary technologies.  Adobe developers were there in force, pushing Flex-Flash-AiR proprietary RiA.  The forces of Ajax and the Open Web were almost nowhere to be seen.  Very surprising given that previous years had been all Ajax, all the time.  Yet, here we are, a year later, and the Open Web is running away with RiA, with Cloud Computing, and WebStacks.  All because of those devices on the edge of the Web, sweeping into the communications and connectivity plans of near everyone who needs to be connected.  

Defining the document model of the future Web is beyond important.  Sure, it&#039;s true that there are no desktop editors of consequence capable of producing Open Web documents rich in complexity, compound with services, data, and media bindings, and vital to business processes  through workflow and application routing logic.   Since these shortcomings were not enough to stop the WebKit guys on the edge, i&#039;m beginning to think it won&#039;t be enough to stop WebKit, FireFox, Opera and anyone else pushing this highly interactive and visual document model across the Web.  

We shall see.  My guess?  Finally, the walls of the great monopolist have been breached.

~ge~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is surprising that Microsoft monopoly machine has been busy elsewhere, hardly noticing that the future of the Open Web is slipping through their fingers.  So much for the fabled monopolist&#8217;s iron grip.</p>
<p>Because of some prescient decisions Apple made early on with iPhone and WebKit, the edge of the Web is now in position to define the future of the entire Web platform.  It seems to me that Apple made three very important decisions early on in the iPhone design, that are now driving forces:</p>
<p>&#8230;.. iPhone browser based on an open source WebKit community.  </p>
<p>&#8230;.. Development of the WebKit layout/rendering engine to support a rapidly advancing Web document model based on HTML5, CSS3, SVG/Canvas, and JavaScript+</p>
<p>&#8230;.. The open standards based Webkit document model is also the basis of a standards based Web application framework (Sproutcore).  </p>
<p>The Web is a document centric platform that has long suffered because browser wars effectively crippled the advance of the HTML document model.  Incompatibilities between browsers provided vendors like Microsoft with the opportunity to devise their own Web formats, protocols and interfaces.  Today, Microsoft applications offer a &#8220;Web duality&#8221; where users can basically choose between low end &#8220;crippled&#8221; but open standard HTML technologies, or, high end &#8220;feature rich&#8221; but proprietary .NET-WPF technologies.</p>
<p>This Hobbsian choice works well for Microsoft because of the volumes of Microsoft business users bound to the MSOffice-Outlook-Access desktop productivity environment through years of client/server systems and business process development.  Rather than lose critically important information or break a business process on conversion to Open Web standard but low end technologies, business users will likely choose the feature rich and &#8220;integrated-interoperable&#8221; but proprietary solution.  Even if it is beyond expensive.</p>
<p>Microsoft knows this and indeed has built out their entire WebStack-Cloud-RiA initiative holding all the business aces.  Where they missed it though is the incredible surge in edge of the Web computational devices.  MS fought hard to protect their monopoly base while getting the proprietary pieces in place to leverage that monopoly across the Web.  They are believed to have paid over $14 Billion in penalties and settlements in their zeal to block competition. Yet here we are; the future of the Open Web is being defined at the edge, and Microsoft is not to be found.  They have been caught uncharacteristically out of position, without a play. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s something else happening at the edge.  The iPhone has blasted through the barrier of legacy user interface and interaction with an incredible multi-dimensional, multi-media, highly visual model.  On the one hand we have Jen-Hsun Huang, clutching the Nvidia ION in his palm, waxing eloquent about the graphical processing power demanded by the Age of Visual Computing.  And on the other, we have the WebKit-iPhone community sinking graphical transformations and visual transitions into the Open Web document model (CSS &#8211; Canvas) instead of into some platform specific API!</p>
<p>At last year&#8217;s Web 2.0 Conference, Microsoft was selling hard their VML-XAML-Silverlight-Mesh proprietary technologies.  Adobe developers were there in force, pushing Flex-Flash-AiR proprietary RiA.  The forces of Ajax and the Open Web were almost nowhere to be seen.  Very surprising given that previous years had been all Ajax, all the time.  Yet, here we are, a year later, and the Open Web is running away with RiA, with Cloud Computing, and WebStacks.  All because of those devices on the edge of the Web, sweeping into the communications and connectivity plans of near everyone who needs to be connected.  </p>
<p>Defining the document model of the future Web is beyond important.  Sure, it&#8217;s true that there are no desktop editors of consequence capable of producing Open Web documents rich in complexity, compound with services, data, and media bindings, and vital to business processes  through workflow and application routing logic.   Since these shortcomings were not enough to stop the WebKit guys on the edge, i&#8217;m beginning to think it won&#8217;t be enough to stop WebKit, FireFox, Opera and anyone else pushing this highly interactive and visual document model across the Web.  </p>
<p>We shall see.  My guess?  Finally, the walls of the great monopolist have been breached.</p>
<p>~ge~</p>
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		<title>By: James Kendrick</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/editorial-the-uphill-battle-microsoft-faces-with-windows-mobile/#comment-413412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Kendrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[T, bring it on, I&#039;ll be glad to see you again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T, bring it on, I&#8217;ll be glad to see you again.</p>
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		<title>By: T Lewis</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/editorial-the-uphill-battle-microsoft-faces-with-windows-mobile/#comment-413411</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally agree on the last 3 points.
-WM&#039;s built-in functionality is flexible and powerful...but a bitch to tame.

-No matter what shell we cower behind - SPB, Vito, etc - raw WM is lurking 2 or 3 clicks down.

-They must make WM&#039;s UI sweeter. Currently it&#039;s as fun to decipher as a ventilation schematic for a Motel6.
T
(ps to James...I was supposed to be in Space City right now, actually - but things arose. I&#039;ll see you over some brewed beverage in a month or two if you&#039;re game)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree on the last 3 points.<br />
-WM&#8217;s built-in functionality is flexible and powerful&#8230;but a bitch to tame.</p>
<p>-No matter what shell we cower behind &#8211; SPB, Vito, etc &#8211; raw WM is lurking 2 or 3 clicks down.</p>
<p>-They must make WM&#8217;s UI sweeter. Currently it&#8217;s as fun to decipher as a ventilation schematic for a Motel6.<br />
T<br />
(ps to James&#8230;I was supposed to be in Space City right now, actually &#8211; but things arose. I&#8217;ll see you over some brewed beverage in a month or two if you&#8217;re game)</p>
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		<title>By: spinedoc</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/editorial-the-uphill-battle-microsoft-faces-with-windows-mobile/#comment-413410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinedoc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record I use an iphone and while I greatly appreciate the easy UI and the rock solid platform, I must say I very much miss the functionality of windows mobile.  If MS could just get the UI and marketing right the WM platform would just blow up IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record I use an iphone and while I greatly appreciate the easy UI and the rock solid platform, I must say I very much miss the functionality of windows mobile.  If MS could just get the UI and marketing right the WM platform would just blow up IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: spinedoc</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/editorial-the-uphill-battle-microsoft-faces-with-windows-mobile/#comment-413409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinedoc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the problem with saying that MS wants developers to develop their own interfaces is that there is some kind of format that WM/CE programs are formatted to.  This is the interface that there is issue with, the tiny x in the corner, etc etc.  I&#039;m no developer, but it seems like an awesome overlay like the ones HTC develops has no effect on the Microsoft underpinnings.  Especially when you install a 3rd party program.  No matter how nice the developer makes it look, you will sooner or later drill down to the basic OS which is what is flawed.

For the life of me I just don&#039;t understand how Microsoft could have let the WM team be so uncreative and uncaring for so long.  I understand WM is still a strong business seller, but they are just getting trounced in the media market by the iphone, android, and soon the palm pre.  Does it really take a genius to figure out that WM7 needs to come out yesterday?  Hell scrap WM7 and just let HTC redesign the entire OS, and fire the WM team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem with saying that MS wants developers to develop their own interfaces is that there is some kind of format that WM/CE programs are formatted to.  This is the interface that there is issue with, the tiny x in the corner, etc etc.  I&#8217;m no developer, but it seems like an awesome overlay like the ones HTC develops has no effect on the Microsoft underpinnings.  Especially when you install a 3rd party program.  No matter how nice the developer makes it look, you will sooner or later drill down to the basic OS which is what is flawed.</p>
<p>For the life of me I just don&#8217;t understand how Microsoft could have let the WM team be so uncreative and uncaring for so long.  I understand WM is still a strong business seller, but they are just getting trounced in the media market by the iphone, android, and soon the palm pre.  Does it really take a genius to figure out that WM7 needs to come out yesterday?  Hell scrap WM7 and just let HTC redesign the entire OS, and fire the WM team.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/editorial-the-uphill-battle-microsoft-faces-with-windows-mobile/#comment-413408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The biggest problem I have with your main argument is that it could equally be applied to Android. Google are letting anyone install their OS and we&#039;ve already heard that different vendors intend to customise and rebrand the interface.  Shall we declare the end of Android too?

You also ignore the fact that Windows Mobile sales are still strong and that iPhone sales are actually falling (if only slightly).  Windows Mobile outsold the iPhone last year and there&#039;s no reason to think that it can&#039;t carry on successfully. 

I agree that Microsoft need to make changes, especially in terms of updating the OS on the fly.  I also think they could do with bringing the browser up to date and improving the PIM functionality.  However, you shouldn&#039;t discount the value of the OS as a platform that allows developers to easily write apps that target the familiar .NET framework.  You&#039;re also ignoring the fact that Microsoft actually want OEMs to develop their own interfaces - this isn&#039;t just done to hide the default interfaces &quot;flaws&quot; - and they said as much at MWC. 

Finally, you&#039;re ignoring the fact that it caters largely to a corporate market because it offers integration that other phones can only dream of.  This should definitely not be discounted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem I have with your main argument is that it could equally be applied to Android. Google are letting anyone install their OS and we&#8217;ve already heard that different vendors intend to customise and rebrand the interface.  Shall we declare the end of Android too?</p>
<p>You also ignore the fact that Windows Mobile sales are still strong and that iPhone sales are actually falling (if only slightly).  Windows Mobile outsold the iPhone last year and there&#8217;s no reason to think that it can&#8217;t carry on successfully. </p>
<p>I agree that Microsoft need to make changes, especially in terms of updating the OS on the fly.  I also think they could do with bringing the browser up to date and improving the PIM functionality.  However, you shouldn&#8217;t discount the value of the OS as a platform that allows developers to easily write apps that target the familiar .NET framework.  You&#8217;re also ignoring the fact that Microsoft actually want OEMs to develop their own interfaces &#8211; this isn&#8217;t just done to hide the default interfaces &#8220;flaws&#8221; &#8211; and they said as much at MWC. </p>
<p>Finally, you&#8217;re ignoring the fact that it caters largely to a corporate market because it offers integration that other phones can only dream of.  This should definitely not be discounted.</p>
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		<title>By: HSK</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/editorial-the-uphill-battle-microsoft-faces-with-windows-mobile/#comment-413407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HSK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you look at where WM was in the hierarchy when the first iPhone came out and look at the environment now, it seems to be completely different, IMO.  I loved (yes, past tense) WM for most of the reasons stated above, but find myself not even considering it for my next phone - and 6.5 is not changing my opinion.  I think RIM is just barely ahead of MSFT in regards to this too, they just happen to &quot;fit&quot; in the consumer market a little better than WM does - at this time.  

Apple, Android and Palm are what&#039;s &quot;next&quot; and I think WM and RIM (to some extent if they don&#039;t improve their OS) are becoming what &quot;was&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at where WM was in the hierarchy when the first iPhone came out and look at the environment now, it seems to be completely different, IMO.  I loved (yes, past tense) WM for most of the reasons stated above, but find myself not even considering it for my next phone &#8211; and 6.5 is not changing my opinion.  I think RIM is just barely ahead of MSFT in regards to this too, they just happen to &#8220;fit&#8221; in the consumer market a little better than WM does &#8211; at this time.  </p>
<p>Apple, Android and Palm are what&#8217;s &#8220;next&#8221; and I think WM and RIM (to some extent if they don&#8217;t improve their OS) are becoming what &#8220;was&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alaintrottier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alaintrottier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It will be very difficult for MIcrosoft, their income with WM is to small if we compare with the iPhone. Those day who they can inject indefinitely money (from Window/Office income) on «comme-ci comme-ça» product are behind. 

Sorry for my poor english.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be very difficult for MIcrosoft, their income with WM is to small if we compare with the iPhone. Those day who they can inject indefinitely money (from Window/Office income) on «comme-ci comme-ça» product are behind. </p>
<p>Sorry for my poor english.</p>
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		<title>By: Optical10</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Optical10]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree James. You and I have a HTC advantage which is totally future proof from the hardware perspective but because our carriers do not release a software update it stuck in limbo. You can get a cooked ROM but who wants to break their phone. Wake up Microsoft and smell the coffee. I&#039;m seriously considering switching to the iPhone for the Google phone.Great article by the way. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree James. You and I have a HTC advantage which is totally future proof from the hardware perspective but because our carriers do not release a software update it stuck in limbo. You can get a cooked ROM but who wants to break their phone. Wake up Microsoft and smell the coffee. I&#8217;m seriously considering switching to the iPhone for the Google phone.Great article by the way. :-)</p>
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