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		<title>By: Mike Cane</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Cane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;&gt;it offers a touch-typable keyboard,

For you, maybe.  Too shallow keypress for me.

Smartbooks are d-e-d already. 2010 will be Tablet Year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;it offers a touch-typable keyboard,</p>
<p>For you, maybe.  Too shallow keypress for me.</p>
<p>Smartbooks are d-e-d already. 2010 will be Tablet Year.</p>
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		<title>By: Charbax</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ARM laptops will take close to 100% of the laptop and desktop market soon.

ARM Laptops are half the price, less than half the power consumption with or without Pixel Qi screens, half the weight and much more optimized.

I just filmed an 80 dollar Android smartbook http://techvideoblog.com/reviews/80-android-laptop-menq-easypc-e790/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARM laptops will take close to 100% of the laptop and desktop market soon.</p>
<p>ARM Laptops are half the price, less than half the power consumption with or without Pixel Qi screens, half the weight and much more optimized.</p>
<p>I just filmed an 80 dollar Android smartbook <a href="http://techvideoblog.com/reviews/80-android-laptop-menq-easypc-e790/" rel="nofollow">http://techvideoblog.com/reviews/80-android-laptop-menq-easypc-e790/</a></p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The evidence is already out there about the future of smartbooks. Remember the first netbooks? Like 7-8.9 inches right? Well what happened to those? Pretty hard to find those in any best seller lists anywhere. In fact, who still makes that size netbook? Nobody. Reason? People want bigger keyboard and bigger screens. So, essentially the &quot;in between&quot; size that smartbook is attempting, has already been and passed. The reality is in the history. Been there done that. People said, no thanks. People don&#039;t want to go less than 10 inches, and if they do, they have no need for typing, which is why they would get a smartphone instead. Pwned!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evidence is already out there about the future of smartbooks. Remember the first netbooks? Like 7-8.9 inches right? Well what happened to those? Pretty hard to find those in any best seller lists anywhere. In fact, who still makes that size netbook? Nobody. Reason? People want bigger keyboard and bigger screens. So, essentially the &#8220;in between&#8221; size that smartbook is attempting, has already been and passed. The reality is in the history. Been there done that. People said, no thanks. People don&#8217;t want to go less than 10 inches, and if they do, they have no need for typing, which is why they would get a smartphone instead. Pwned!</p>
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		<title>By: turn.self.off</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/are-smartbooks-off-to-the-wrong-start-already/#comment-428824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[turn.self.off]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[look up the redfly articles...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look up the redfly articles&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Blak</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/are-smartbooks-off-to-the-wrong-start-already/#comment-428823</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[while the form factor is right, what about navigation? Android/WebOS (Jon has not ruled out a smartbook) were not made with mouse in mind, they require touch. JK/Kev have been bashing touch in a notebook form factor for years, but in this case i think it could work. it was more about UI than form factor, Windows is no good for notebook touch but webOS/Android could be.

although it would be nice if the screens swiveled around as well. but face it, your not going to swivel between slate/notebook every time you need to enter text. so there will almost have to be a touch screen on the notebook form factor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while the form factor is right, what about navigation? Android/WebOS (Jon has not ruled out a smartbook) were not made with mouse in mind, they require touch. JK/Kev have been bashing touch in a notebook form factor for years, but in this case i think it could work. it was more about UI than form factor, Windows is no good for notebook touch but webOS/Android could be.</p>
<p>although it would be nice if the screens swiveled around as well. but face it, your not going to swivel between slate/notebook every time you need to enter text. so there will almost have to be a touch screen on the notebook form factor.</p>
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		<title>By: turn.self.off</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/mobile/are-smartbooks-off-to-the-wrong-start-already/#comment-428822</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i cant help wonder if the X86&#039;s availability of existing windows and accompanying software is what doomed to to become just a small, under-powered laptop...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i cant help wonder if the X86&#8242;s availability of existing windows and accompanying software is what doomed to to become just a small, under-powered laptop&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luscious</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luscious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I said yesterday, the HP Jornada/Psion 5mx design would fit the bill. It&#039;s somewhat smaller than the Vaio P, but the Sony is a much more modern/thinner design on that very concept.

It&#039;s evident that the size gap between smartphones and netbooks has yet to be conquered. In order for smartbooks to be truly useful (dare I say functional) manufacturers will need to cram the best features of smartphones/netbooks into this unique footprint. I would even go so far as to work on a rechargeable docking station to offer extra ports/jacks/juice.

Kevin is dead on regarding display size - it needs to be smaller than a 16:9 8&quot; screen, otherwise you&#039;re getting right back to the netbook footprint. My recommendation? Do a 5 inch and a 7 inch version, or somewhere between. Sacrificing vertical screen real estate is not such a big deal either. The HD2 works at 800x480, most netbooks 1024x600, and the Vaio P 1600x768. I think 1280x600 or 1024x480 in a 5-7 inch smartbook would hit the bullseye.

Pricing it though is going to be difficult considering the best smartphones cost within $100 of netbooks. $300-plus for a HD2 is going to be a tough sell if the more functional smartbook is selling for $200. In my opinion, the sweetspot for pricing should be $200/$300/$400 for smartphone/smartbook/netbook respectively.

That&#039;s my $0.02 ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said yesterday, the HP Jornada/Psion 5mx design would fit the bill. It&#8217;s somewhat smaller than the Vaio P, but the Sony is a much more modern/thinner design on that very concept.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s evident that the size gap between smartphones and netbooks has yet to be conquered. In order for smartbooks to be truly useful (dare I say functional) manufacturers will need to cram the best features of smartphones/netbooks into this unique footprint. I would even go so far as to work on a rechargeable docking station to offer extra ports/jacks/juice.</p>
<p>Kevin is dead on regarding display size &#8211; it needs to be smaller than a 16:9 8&#8243; screen, otherwise you&#8217;re getting right back to the netbook footprint. My recommendation? Do a 5 inch and a 7 inch version, or somewhere between. Sacrificing vertical screen real estate is not such a big deal either. The HD2 works at 800&#215;480, most netbooks 1024&#215;600, and the Vaio P 1600&#215;768. I think 1280&#215;600 or 1024&#215;480 in a 5-7 inch smartbook would hit the bullseye.</p>
<p>Pricing it though is going to be difficult considering the best smartphones cost within $100 of netbooks. $300-plus for a HD2 is going to be a tough sell if the more functional smartbook is selling for $200. In my opinion, the sweetspot for pricing should be $200/$300/$400 for smartphone/smartbook/netbook respectively.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my $0.02 ;)</p>
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		<title>By: alpo</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ultimate near-term answer to the features that Kevin wants is a smartphone w/ external wireless kbd and display. We are almost there w/ bluetooth to think outside kbd. We just need a display.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ultimate near-term answer to the features that Kevin wants is a smartphone w/ external wireless kbd and display. We are almost there w/ bluetooth to think outside kbd. We just need a display.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin and James (and everyone else) are right about the Vaio P form factor being a necessity. I am, however, going to remember Kevin&#039;s quote describing a netbook as being &quot;thick and heavy&quot; ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin and James (and everyone else) are right about the Vaio P form factor being a necessity. I am, however, going to remember Kevin&#8217;s quote describing a netbook as being &#8220;thick and heavy&#8221; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: James Kendrick</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Kevin is spot on, and I would add that the VAIO P form is what the smartbook needs to be. There&#039;s no point making a netbook size, and yet a smartbook still needs a usable keyboard.

Without the keyboard, then a smartphone is good enough. Saves you from needing another device, and one with dedicated 3G connectivity to boot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Kevin is spot on, and I would add that the VAIO P form is what the smartbook needs to be. There&#8217;s no point making a netbook size, and yet a smartbook still needs a usable keyboard.</p>
<p>Without the keyboard, then a smartphone is good enough. Saves you from needing another device, and one with dedicated 3G connectivity to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I basically agree, but I would encourage manufacturers to continue experimenting and provide a wide variety of devices without being overly concerned about what arbitrary category they fit into (i.e. smartphone vs. smartbook vs. netbook).  There is and will continue to be a lot of overlap and ultimately the market will decide which devices are winners.  Not every device has to be a blockbuster success to be useful to a lot of people.  Look at the Nokia N series tablets, which are great devices and fill a real niche for me and many other people.

In my world I have decided that I need three devices for when I&#039;m on the move:

1) Always with me - fit in any pocket.  This is currently a Palm Pre.  Primary requirement is small size/weight and excellent phone service, but these days it also has to include a good Web browser and e-mail/contacts integration with Google Apps.  The Pre is perfect, but the gadget guy in me wants to try an Android device next year.

2) Frequently with me - fit in a big pocket.  Currently this is the Nokia N800/N810 device because it gives me a bigger screen for easier reading than on the Pre, but it also gives me a real computer for limited development and server support access.  This is also my music device because the battery seems to last forever (most of an 18-hour flight to India).  I wouldn&#039;t pay for an extra cell phone/data plan for this device since I can tether to my Pre in an emergency when I don&#039;t have Wi-Fi.  This is the next device upgrade because my coat pockets will actually support something an inch or two bigger, and there have been a lot of advances since the Nokia tablets came out.

3) Backpack or other bag required.  This is a real notebook that goes with me on trips (coffee shop, lunch, meetings, and all away from home travel) but my limit is 5 lbs and 15&quot; screen because I frequently schlep it through airports.  Currently a MacBook.

A lot of other devices have been tempting me, especially the Kindle since I read a lot of newspapers and books. But then I think about where, when and how I would carry each new thing and I realize that I don&#039;t want anything else in my backpack so I would probably end up leaving it home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I basically agree, but I would encourage manufacturers to continue experimenting and provide a wide variety of devices without being overly concerned about what arbitrary category they fit into (i.e. smartphone vs. smartbook vs. netbook).  There is and will continue to be a lot of overlap and ultimately the market will decide which devices are winners.  Not every device has to be a blockbuster success to be useful to a lot of people.  Look at the Nokia N series tablets, which are great devices and fill a real niche for me and many other people.</p>
<p>In my world I have decided that I need three devices for when I&#8217;m on the move:</p>
<p>1) Always with me &#8211; fit in any pocket.  This is currently a Palm Pre.  Primary requirement is small size/weight and excellent phone service, but these days it also has to include a good Web browser and e-mail/contacts integration with Google Apps.  The Pre is perfect, but the gadget guy in me wants to try an Android device next year.</p>
<p>2) Frequently with me &#8211; fit in a big pocket.  Currently this is the Nokia N800/N810 device because it gives me a bigger screen for easier reading than on the Pre, but it also gives me a real computer for limited development and server support access.  This is also my music device because the battery seems to last forever (most of an 18-hour flight to India).  I wouldn&#8217;t pay for an extra cell phone/data plan for this device since I can tether to my Pre in an emergency when I don&#8217;t have Wi-Fi.  This is the next device upgrade because my coat pockets will actually support something an inch or two bigger, and there have been a lot of advances since the Nokia tablets came out.</p>
<p>3) Backpack or other bag required.  This is a real notebook that goes with me on trips (coffee shop, lunch, meetings, and all away from home travel) but my limit is 5 lbs and 15&#8243; screen because I frequently schlep it through airports.  Currently a MacBook.</p>
<p>A lot of other devices have been tempting me, especially the Kindle since I read a lot of newspapers and books. But then I think about where, when and how I would carry each new thing and I realize that I don&#8217;t want anything else in my backpack so I would probably end up leaving it home.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky B.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I liked this reasoning so much I went ahead and grabbed a Vaio P off ebay. :) Unfortunately with none of the benefits of a smartbook, since it will be running a power-hungry (ha!) Atom chip, but...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this reasoning so much I went ahead and grabbed a Vaio P off ebay. :) Unfortunately with none of the benefits of a smartbook, since it will be running a power-hungry (ha!) Atom chip, but&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ozz</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really think aswell that smartbooks should be pocketable. They could be what MIDs failed to be: cheap device that could be used on the go. Bigger than smartphone, smaller than netbook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think aswell that smartbooks should be pocketable. They could be what MIDs failed to be: cheap device that could be used on the go. Bigger than smartphone, smaller than netbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodfather</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rodfather]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smartbooks will be a niche device, but I hope at least something good comes out of them.  I agree, it needs to be like the Sony P or NEC Mobile Pro.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smartbooks will be a niche device, but I hope at least something good comes out of them.  I agree, it needs to be like the Sony P or NEC Mobile Pro.</p>
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		<title>By: Julien Boyreau</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julien Boyreau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dead right Kevin!

I would go even further and squash off the whole &quot;netbook-as-something-between-pocketable-and-laptop&quot; altogether. As laptops are getting cheaper, netbook will more and more be another name for &quot;low-cost-small-notebook&quot;.

What&#039;s much more interesting for me is the Celio&#039;s Redfly concept. Even if it&#039;s badly implemented, the idea is pretty good, as more and more the only missing piece of a smartphone will be the intermittent need of a bigger keyboard &amp; screen.

I can stop dreaming of Apple and Nokia to burry the tablet/booklet dead end, and instead make a sub-100$, wireless, ultra-light and ultra-thin 10 to 13&#039;&#039; touch screen / keyboard combo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead right Kevin!</p>
<p>I would go even further and squash off the whole &#8220;netbook-as-something-between-pocketable-and-laptop&#8221; altogether. As laptops are getting cheaper, netbook will more and more be another name for &#8220;low-cost-small-notebook&#8221;.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s much more interesting for me is the Celio&#8217;s Redfly concept. Even if it&#8217;s badly implemented, the idea is pretty good, as more and more the only missing piece of a smartphone will be the intermittent need of a bigger keyboard &amp; screen.</p>
<p>I can stop dreaming of Apple and Nokia to burry the tablet/booklet dead end, and instead make a sub-100$, wireless, ultra-light and ultra-thin 10 to 13&#8221; touch screen / keyboard combo.</p>
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		<title>By: bstryd</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Add my agreement. Definitely need a pocketable device. And light. The Sony device is really perfect for my thinking. I want a smartbook that allows me to access all my cloud stuff, does my media with excellence and allows me to use it as a mobile phone with a wired or bluetooth connection. I was very drawn to UMPCs but they had the wrong radio.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add my agreement. Definitely need a pocketable device. And light. The Sony device is really perfect for my thinking. I want a smartbook that allows me to access all my cloud stuff, does my media with excellence and allows me to use it as a mobile phone with a wired or bluetooth connection. I was very drawn to UMPCs but they had the wrong radio.</p>
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