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		<title>By: Nik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/welcome-to-the-no-cost-cafe/#comment-54707</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great idea. It wouldn&#039;t work in my town though, which is a shame, as the ethos is wonderful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great idea. It wouldn&#8217;t work in my town though, which is a shame, as the ethos is wonderful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/welcome-to-the-no-cost-cafe/#comment-54706</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out http://www.lentilasanything.com/

This is a &quot;pay what you think it&#039;s worth&quot; restaurant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out <a href="http://www.lentilasanything.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lentilasanything.com/</a></p>
<p>This is a &#8220;pay what you think it&#8217;s worth&#8221; restaurant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/welcome-to-the-no-cost-cafe/#comment-54705</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They should put a screen on the wall with the &#039;break-even&#039; gap.  This way the users of the service would be able to put some reality into the equation.

Regardless it&#039;s so great to see that the majority of comments on this appear to be supportive of the karma concept.

&quot;Be the change you want to see in the world&quot;  Mahatma Ghandi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should put a screen on the wall with the &#8216;break-even&#8217; gap.  This way the users of the service would be able to put some reality into the equation.</p>
<p>Regardless it&#8217;s so great to see that the majority of comments on this appear to be supportive of the karma concept.</p>
<p>&#8220;Be the change you want to see in the world&#8221;  Mahatma Ghandi</p>
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		<title>By: CodeAway &#187; Terra Bite Donation Cafes: Utopia or Pipe Dream?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CodeAway &#187; Terra Bite Donation Cafes: Utopia or Pipe Dream?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] been closely following the discussion on Web Worker Daily about the Terra Bite Cafe concept. From the WWD article by Chris Gilmer: Imagine walking into a cafe, ordering a coffee and a biscuit, grabbing a seat and plugging away on [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been closely following the discussion on Web Worker Daily about the Terra Bite Cafe concept. From the WWD article by Chris Gilmer: Imagine walking into a cafe, ordering a coffee and a biscuit, grabbing a seat and plugging away on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Watzman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neal Watzman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the US, where so many stores view the customer as a thief, it is refreshing to see a business that is relying on the honesty of its customers.  I hope they suceed.

You know, in many cases, people do rise to the expectations set for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the US, where so many stores view the customer as a thief, it is refreshing to see a business that is relying on the honesty of its customers.  I hope they suceed.</p>
<p>You know, in many cases, people do rise to the expectations set for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt_</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used to go the hare Krishna &quot;temple&quot; just for the food and they had an honor system I would regularly throw $5 to $10 in the jar for the &quot;free&quot; meal they would provide every day  .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to go the hare Krishna &#8220;temple&#8221; just for the food and they had an honor system I would regularly throw $5 to $10 in the jar for the &#8220;free&#8221; meal they would provide every day  .</p>
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		<title>By: shefaly</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/welcome-to-the-no-cost-cafe/#comment-54701</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shefaly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that the theme &quot;covering costs is ok, but profits are not&quot; recurs. A bit odd amongst self-employed and web-working people, dont you think?

I go to our neighbourhood cafe (Starbucks only because it does not smell of food and takes &#039;plastic&#039; - yes it is in the UK so we are different that way) to work on my thesis. One coffee (£1.69 short, £1.89 small - look Mama, no use lingo!) and I sit for 6 hours or so. They sell one coffee, do not bother me and do not rely on my &quot;honesty&quot; to leave that £10 note in the drop-box.

In any case I do not carry cash, prefer to pay for the privilege and do not like the warm-n-fuzzy afterglow when my business brain is asking - why have this in a &#039;rich&#039; neighbourhood with more laptops per home than people? why not offer this to homeless people when they want a shelter from icy rain on some days and let the rich neighbours pay into the drop-box to sustain it? I see a disconnect..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the theme &#8220;covering costs is ok, but profits are not&#8221; recurs. A bit odd amongst self-employed and web-working people, dont you think?</p>
<p>I go to our neighbourhood cafe (Starbucks only because it does not smell of food and takes &#8216;plastic&#8217; &#8211; yes it is in the UK so we are different that way) to work on my thesis. One coffee (£1.69 short, £1.89 small &#8211; look Mama, no use lingo!) and I sit for 6 hours or so. They sell one coffee, do not bother me and do not rely on my &#8220;honesty&#8221; to leave that £10 note in the drop-box.</p>
<p>In any case I do not carry cash, prefer to pay for the privilege and do not like the warm-n-fuzzy afterglow when my business brain is asking &#8211; why have this in a &#8216;rich&#8217; neighbourhood with more laptops per home than people? why not offer this to homeless people when they want a shelter from icy rain on some days and let the rich neighbours pay into the drop-box to sustain it? I see a disconnect..</p>
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		<title>By: shannonclark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shannonclark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There have been many variations on this idea. I remember reading a long discussion about a business that was entirely on this model - he delivered boxes of donuts to offices and had a small box for people to pay for the donuts (all on an honor system). Each day he would return, pick up the uneaten donuts and the money.

I think it was something Malcolm Gladwell wrote. About how this which started as business was also a bit of a measure of honesty - and that apparently it was cultural - some businesses were very honest - others extremely not. (there was much more, I&#039;ll see if I can find the link - or perhaps someone with more time can search it).

I think it is also very well worth noting that there is NOTHING inherent in this model that requires it be in an &quot;affluent&quot; environment. (for one in a less affluent environment the starting costs - such as the space lease - might be lower). Rather what it requires are:

- trust in your clients (which has historically be much higher than it is mostly today - recall the idea of &quot;tab&quot; which you could run up at most neighborhood stores?)

- communicating with those clients as to what you as a business need

- providing great service that inspires people to pay for it

What this type of business does assume - which I do think is a good starting point - is that people will keep coming back to their cafe on a regular basis - and that those same people will want to support that cafe and pay for the services they get there (think of it like a modern form of a private club - but one open to anyone who walks in the door)

I actually think this model might work BETTER in &quot;less affluent&quot; environments. There the impact of assuming trust will be very high - not to mention the value of the space on a community (I spend a lot of time in cafes all over the city - currently San Francisco but also in any city I visit - it is very very clear that locally owned cafes play a role in revitalizing neighborhoods.

On bit of advice - he shouldn&#039;t be afraid of giving customers lots of opportunities to pay for the services - i.e. not just a space/box which assumes people pay on a weekly basic but also a space right at the counter. I&#039;d also suggest that there be TWO boxes. One &quot;for the cafe&quot; and one a &quot;tips for the employees&quot;. This would allow for a direct signal of the value of those employees, something potentially missing if people aren&#039;t easily dropping their change in a tip jar etc.

He will also have to figure out a reasonable and valid approach to the local sales tax (not sure about Seattle but many cities have sales taxes on coffee &amp; pastries). Likely this is somewhat new ground for the sales tax authorities - I&#039;d suggest that he figure out something and err on the side of paying too much (and the karma is not negligible to keep in mind here - sales taxes support very directly all the services of cities and states which in turn allow - hopefully at least - for the success of businesses and communities)

Shannon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been many variations on this idea. I remember reading a long discussion about a business that was entirely on this model &#8211; he delivered boxes of donuts to offices and had a small box for people to pay for the donuts (all on an honor system). Each day he would return, pick up the uneaten donuts and the money.</p>
<p>I think it was something Malcolm Gladwell wrote. About how this which started as business was also a bit of a measure of honesty &#8211; and that apparently it was cultural &#8211; some businesses were very honest &#8211; others extremely not. (there was much more, I&#8217;ll see if I can find the link &#8211; or perhaps someone with more time can search it).</p>
<p>I think it is also very well worth noting that there is NOTHING inherent in this model that requires it be in an &#8220;affluent&#8221; environment. (for one in a less affluent environment the starting costs &#8211; such as the space lease &#8211; might be lower). Rather what it requires are:</p>
<p>- trust in your clients (which has historically be much higher than it is mostly today &#8211; recall the idea of &#8220;tab&#8221; which you could run up at most neighborhood stores?)</p>
<p>- communicating with those clients as to what you as a business need</p>
<p>- providing great service that inspires people to pay for it</p>
<p>What this type of business does assume &#8211; which I do think is a good starting point &#8211; is that people will keep coming back to their cafe on a regular basis &#8211; and that those same people will want to support that cafe and pay for the services they get there (think of it like a modern form of a private club &#8211; but one open to anyone who walks in the door)</p>
<p>I actually think this model might work BETTER in &#8220;less affluent&#8221; environments. There the impact of assuming trust will be very high &#8211; not to mention the value of the space on a community (I spend a lot of time in cafes all over the city &#8211; currently San Francisco but also in any city I visit &#8211; it is very very clear that locally owned cafes play a role in revitalizing neighborhoods.</p>
<p>On bit of advice &#8211; he shouldn&#8217;t be afraid of giving customers lots of opportunities to pay for the services &#8211; i.e. not just a space/box which assumes people pay on a weekly basic but also a space right at the counter. I&#8217;d also suggest that there be TWO boxes. One &#8220;for the cafe&#8221; and one a &#8220;tips for the employees&#8221;. This would allow for a direct signal of the value of those employees, something potentially missing if people aren&#8217;t easily dropping their change in a tip jar etc.</p>
<p>He will also have to figure out a reasonable and valid approach to the local sales tax (not sure about Seattle but many cities have sales taxes on coffee &amp; pastries). Likely this is somewhat new ground for the sales tax authorities &#8211; I&#8217;d suggest that he figure out something and err on the side of paying too much (and the karma is not negligible to keep in mind here &#8211; sales taxes support very directly all the services of cities and states which in turn allow &#8211; hopefully at least &#8211; for the success of businesses and communities)</p>
<p>Shannon</p>
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		<title>By: corey brown&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Honor system coffee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[corey brown&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Honor system coffee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] From Web Worker Daily today: Welcome to the no cost cafe. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/welcome-to-the-no-cost-cafe/#comment-54698</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The more opportunities we have where we&#039;re expected to be honest, the more honest we&#039;ll be. The more opportunities there are where we&#039;re treated like criminals, the more criminal we&#039;ll be.

I agree that in the current day, this concept would have a hard time working in an urban, low-income area-yet might succeed in an affluent area. However, I also remember a time when a man had dignity and integrity even if he worked at a gas station or other non-sexy job, he did his job with enthusiasm and hard work. I believe that that time may be gone, but we can slow the process of our degradation by revamping small ideals of honesty and contributing to the greater good whenever or wherever we can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more opportunities we have where we&#8217;re expected to be honest, the more honest we&#8217;ll be. The more opportunities there are where we&#8217;re treated like criminals, the more criminal we&#8217;ll be.</p>
<p>I agree that in the current day, this concept would have a hard time working in an urban, low-income area-yet might succeed in an affluent area. However, I also remember a time when a man had dignity and integrity even if he worked at a gas station or other non-sexy job, he did his job with enthusiasm and hard work. I believe that that time may be gone, but we can slow the process of our degradation by revamping small ideals of honesty and contributing to the greater good whenever or wherever we can.</p>
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