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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arthur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi all, I`m a Web-programmer and I want to say that, when I started in a web there was too little things that we could made with that (HTML&amp;CSS1&amp;PHP3&amp;JS) for now it`s a lot of tech`s and techniques that we can use especially instead of above like (XHTML&amp;CSS1,2,3&amp;PHP5(OOP-MVC),JavaSxript(JSON), MySQL5) - as U can see all technologies were modernized and improved, more than that - we can use other quite good and new programming languages like Python, Ruby, JSP +infinity - so on my opinion the Web will be a winner soon and it takes a leader position at this moment(sorry for my English - I`m merely Russian boddy) =)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, I`m a Web-programmer and I want to say that, when I started in a web there was too little things that we could made with that (HTML&amp;CSS1&amp;PHP3&amp;JS) for now it`s a lot of tech`s and techniques that we can use especially instead of above like (XHTML&amp;CSS1,2,3&amp;PHP5(OOP-MVC),JavaSxript(JSON), MySQL5) &#8211; as U can see all technologies were modernized and improved, more than that &#8211; we can use other quite good and new programming languages like Python, Ruby, JSP +infinity &#8211; so on my opinion the Web will be a winner soon and it takes a leader position at this moment(sorry for my English &#8211; I`m merely Russian boddy) =)</p>
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		<title>By: Zoli&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Desktop Software: A Failed Model</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/smackdown-web-vs-desktop-apps/#comment-56387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoli&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Desktop Software: A Failed Model]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tamira Herzog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/smackdown-web-vs-desktop-apps/#comment-56386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tamira Herzog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m trying to build something, and can&#039;t resolve the debate over whether it should be desktop software (i want cross-platform, of course) or a web-hosted app.

Here&#039;s my problem:  let&#039;s say you love the idea of building a web app for a million reasons.  it&#039;s easier to build, a cinch to update the UI..... and desktop apps are obsolete, right?  (everyone keeps telling me so)
So anyone building anything could only entertain web apps as the solution.

But now let&#039;s add that the app is going to house private data which cannot be compromised under any circumstance.

How do you reconcile those two conflicting realities?

If you&#039;re on the verge of developing something, and its purpose involves storage of anything that must not be breached, which road do you take in the modern world?

how do you afford people the highest level of privacy and security (and control) without pedaling back to the Dark Ages by building desktop software????

is there such a thing as a desktop application that is truly cross-platform in how it was developed, which can remain local to one&#039;s own computer (with data stored ONLY on the desktop), but which behaves like a web app in that it can seamlessly update itself without risk of data-breach?

Ray Rippey mentioned (above) that the desktop will never really go away, and that people will make distinctions between when they can use a web app, and when they can&#039;t.  How many people agree with this?  Enough to make it worth the expense, effort and maintenance of building a desktop app?

And just to make it interesting, maybe you have a point of view on the notion (which i have stumbled over repeatedly, though i still don&#039;t understand how/why this can be true) that web-hosted data is safer than data stored locally on one&#039;s own computer at home.

thanks so much.
warmest,
tamira]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to build something, and can&#8217;t resolve the debate over whether it should be desktop software (i want cross-platform, of course) or a web-hosted app.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my problem:  let&#8217;s say you love the idea of building a web app for a million reasons.  it&#8217;s easier to build, a cinch to update the UI&#8230;.. and desktop apps are obsolete, right?  (everyone keeps telling me so)<br />
So anyone building anything could only entertain web apps as the solution.</p>
<p>But now let&#8217;s add that the app is going to house private data which cannot be compromised under any circumstance.</p>
<p>How do you reconcile those two conflicting realities?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re on the verge of developing something, and its purpose involves storage of anything that must not be breached, which road do you take in the modern world?</p>
<p>how do you afford people the highest level of privacy and security (and control) without pedaling back to the Dark Ages by building desktop software????</p>
<p>is there such a thing as a desktop application that is truly cross-platform in how it was developed, which can remain local to one&#8217;s own computer (with data stored ONLY on the desktop), but which behaves like a web app in that it can seamlessly update itself without risk of data-breach?</p>
<p>Ray Rippey mentioned (above) that the desktop will never really go away, and that people will make distinctions between when they can use a web app, and when they can&#8217;t.  How many people agree with this?  Enough to make it worth the expense, effort and maintenance of building a desktop app?</p>
<p>And just to make it interesting, maybe you have a point of view on the notion (which i have stumbled over repeatedly, though i still don&#8217;t understand how/why this can be true) that web-hosted data is safer than data stored locally on one&#8217;s own computer at home.</p>
<p>thanks so much.<br />
warmest,<br />
tamira</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/smackdown-web-vs-desktop-apps/#comment-56385</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 22:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Desktop apps may not need to be re-written, came across this on vnunet, nivio.com, they have moved the entire windows desktop into a web browser, so now you dont use new apps, just the traditional excel like you used to before. Anyonw tried it, seems to be in beta.

Paul Woodford]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desktop apps may not need to be re-written, came across this on vnunet, nivio.com, they have moved the entire windows desktop into a web browser, so now you dont use new apps, just the traditional excel like you used to before. Anyonw tried it, seems to be in beta.</p>
<p>Paul Woodford</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/smackdown-web-vs-desktop-apps/#comment-56384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also find that web-based apps are often enough to get the job done.

Personally, I would LOVE to see more integration of IM in my web-based apps. ANY collaboration-enabled app should also include IM.

That being said, I have a few (too many perhaps) widgets in my Google homepage, and as it updates, it slows w a a y y y down. So many calls back to the Google mothership or some other api or another. Web-based apps greatest strength is the sharing that can take place over a network, but they have that very same achille&#039;s heel of being slave to it as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also find that web-based apps are often enough to get the job done.</p>
<p>Personally, I would LOVE to see more integration of IM in my web-based apps. ANY collaboration-enabled app should also include IM.</p>
<p>That being said, I have a few (too many perhaps) widgets in my Google homepage, and as it updates, it slows w a a y y y down. So many calls back to the Google mothership or some other api or another. Web-based apps greatest strength is the sharing that can take place over a network, but they have that very same achille&#8217;s heel of being slave to it as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Logical Extremes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/smackdown-web-vs-desktop-apps/#comment-56383</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Logical Extremes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today most non-media connections still revolve around static web, email, and messaging. Mobile work, remote collaboration, and a variety of specialized needs will always drive some cutting edge web applications, but I&#039;m also interested in the kinds of web applications that address everyday needs and will gain wider appeal due to low cost, accessibility, and ease of use. Hopefully these will be open architectures that will provide a base for innovation, but allow for some standardization in look and operation.

Personally, I&#039;m big into the web for customizing my incoming information. I also think the web is great for bringing a new vector of competition to entrenched desktop applications. So far for a number of applications, I still prefer my trusty local executables and data, but that will change as features and interfaces improve and get more integrated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today most non-media connections still revolve around static web, email, and messaging. Mobile work, remote collaboration, and a variety of specialized needs will always drive some cutting edge web applications, but I&#8217;m also interested in the kinds of web applications that address everyday needs and will gain wider appeal due to low cost, accessibility, and ease of use. Hopefully these will be open architectures that will provide a base for innovation, but allow for some standardization in look and operation.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m big into the web for customizing my incoming information. I also think the web is great for bringing a new vector of competition to entrenched desktop applications. So far for a number of applications, I still prefer my trusty local executables and data, but that will change as features and interfaces improve and get more integrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi Gaines</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/smackdown-web-vs-desktop-apps/#comment-56382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jodi Gaines]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The use of Web Apps in the last few years has skyrocketed because of infrastructure improvements like faster Internet connections and more powerful PC&#039;s.  But even more importantly, I think that the need to colloborate among many users that no longer share the same office space is becoming an even more important factor in the popularity of Web Apps.

In our company, we have employees across the US and in Latin America, so Web Apps are really important to us.  We use WebEx for all of our calendar and time tracking needs and our company created an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ifmodules.com/eman&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;email management tool&lt;/a&gt; to address handling large amounts of role-based email.

Great blog, BTW.  We link to it for our customer releated blog at emailmanagement.blogspot.com.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of Web Apps in the last few years has skyrocketed because of infrastructure improvements like faster Internet connections and more powerful PC&#8217;s.  But even more importantly, I think that the need to colloborate among many users that no longer share the same office space is becoming an even more important factor in the popularity of Web Apps.</p>
<p>In our company, we have employees across the US and in Latin America, so Web Apps are really important to us.  We use WebEx for all of our calendar and time tracking needs and our company created an <a href="http://www.ifmodules.com/eman" rel="nofollow">email management tool</a> to address handling large amounts of role-based email.</p>
<p>Great blog, BTW.  We link to it for our customer releated blog at emailmanagement.blogspot.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/smackdown-web-vs-desktop-apps/#comment-56381</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I consider myself to be a &quot;run of the mill&quot; user of MS Word and Excel in my job.  I recently installed Google Docs and Spreadsheets for a test drive.  Prognosis:  they are toys.  I could not get to first base in re-building typical spreadsheets that I use.  The word processor was a joke.  MS has now raised the bar higher with Office 2007 -- I took to the new &quot;Ribbon GUI&quot; like a duck to water two weeks ago when I was issued a Vista laptop at work.

It&#039;s not clear to me that Google will be able to improve these apps enough to be useful in their current html/javascript technology.  Perhaps they will do a Flash/Flex version of Docs and Spreadsheets someday to get some richness into these apps...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consider myself to be a &#8220;run of the mill&#8221; user of MS Word and Excel in my job.  I recently installed Google Docs and Spreadsheets for a test drive.  Prognosis:  they are toys.  I could not get to first base in re-building typical spreadsheets that I use.  The word processor was a joke.  MS has now raised the bar higher with Office 2007 &#8212; I took to the new &#8220;Ribbon GUI&#8221; like a duck to water two weeks ago when I was issued a Vista laptop at work.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not clear to me that Google will be able to improve these apps enough to be useful in their current html/javascript technology.  Perhaps they will do a Flash/Flex version of Docs and Spreadsheets someday to get some richness into these apps&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Technogeekboy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/smackdown-web-vs-desktop-apps/#comment-56380</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Technogeekboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with daveconrey that some apps like Photoshop or video-editing will likely remain on the desktop, but I&#039;m all for web apps that do spreadsheets, word processing, web development, etc. I like that the limitations of web-based apps often reduce the software to what&#039;s really important. I recently used Zoho writer to take class notes and I thought it was terrific. Later, while on a different PC at the library, I was able to call up my notes and continue working in a new location. That holds great deal of appeal for people on the go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with daveconrey that some apps like Photoshop or video-editing will likely remain on the desktop, but I&#8217;m all for web apps that do spreadsheets, word processing, web development, etc. I like that the limitations of web-based apps often reduce the software to what&#8217;s really important. I recently used Zoho writer to take class notes and I thought it was terrific. Later, while on a different PC at the library, I was able to call up my notes and continue working in a new location. That holds great deal of appeal for people on the go.</p>
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		<title>By: jccodez</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/smackdown-web-vs-desktop-apps/#comment-56379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jccodez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That depends on what side your bread is buttered on. What I like, and my preference ,is desktop integrated or blended with web, similar to skype. I would like to see more office win32 client stuff blended with p2p channels and social networks. I want my data, I want to move my data without limits of smpt, and I want it streamed in a single encrypted package...I want hybrid p2p that uses a super node to transmit to multiple users with a singe upload , a huge bandwith savings. I want to be able to drag and drop tables, objects, and anything else in my workspace to groups of users, all streamed and packages nicely with a little rijnadel for security...all this in a web app? The desktop is the center of my universe as I still write code with a compiler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That depends on what side your bread is buttered on. What I like, and my preference ,is desktop integrated or blended with web, similar to skype. I would like to see more office win32 client stuff blended with p2p channels and social networks. I want my data, I want to move my data without limits of smpt, and I want it streamed in a single encrypted package&#8230;I want hybrid p2p that uses a super node to transmit to multiple users with a singe upload , a huge bandwith savings. I want to be able to drag and drop tables, objects, and anything else in my workspace to groups of users, all streamed and packages nicely with a little rijnadel for security&#8230;all this in a web app? The desktop is the center of my universe as I still write code with a compiler.</p>
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