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	<title>Comments on: Perch: An Ultra-Lightweight CMS</title>
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		<title>By: Prut</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re probably not working as a web developer with &quot;dumb&quot; clients. Joomla or Drupal are just big no-goes for most clients.

You create the website for them, they use the &quot;CMS&quot; to update or change a few things (so they&#039;re not annoying you with trivial work) and if they require bigger changes, they come back to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re probably not working as a web developer with &#8220;dumb&#8221; clients. Joomla or Drupal are just big no-goes for most clients.</p>
<p>You create the website for them, they use the &#8220;CMS&#8221; to update or change a few things (so they&#8217;re not annoying you with trivial work) and if they require bigger changes, they come back to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would advise everyone to steer clear of Perch unless they want to get involved in loads of coding.

It is not a true CMS (like Joomla for instance), but a way of dynamically managing static content on a pre-existing site ... so, pretty pointless for many people, and not as &quot;simple&quot; as they describe it.

Pretty useless from my point of view, but probably good if you want to develop a site from scratch that can be dynamically updated later. It doesn&#039;t really make light work of anything.(

There are far better options out there. Oh, and customer support is terrible - I certainly won&#039;t recommend them to anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would advise everyone to steer clear of Perch unless they want to get involved in loads of coding.</p>
<p>It is not a true CMS (like Joomla for instance), but a way of dynamically managing static content on a pre-existing site &#8230; so, pretty pointless for many people, and not as &#8220;simple&#8221; as they describe it.</p>
<p>Pretty useless from my point of view, but probably good if you want to develop a site from scratch that can be dynamically updated later. It doesn&#8217;t really make light work of anything.(</p>
<p>There are far better options out there. Oh, and customer support is terrible &#8211; I certainly won&#8217;t recommend them to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Ultra-lightweight CMS Perch Gets an Update: Developer API, Dynamic Pages and More</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83374</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ultra-lightweight CMS Perch Gets an Update: Developer API, Dynamic Pages and More]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] PDT No Comments     &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;0   Perch &#8212; a lightweight CMS that&#8217;s perfect for web designers who&#8217;d like to add basic content management features to their clients... &#8212; has been updated with some tasty-looking features, among [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] PDT No Comments     &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;0   Perch &#8212; a lightweight CMS that&#8217;s perfect for web designers who&#8217;d like to add basic content management features to their clients&#8230; &#8212; has been updated with some tasty-looking features, among [...]</p>
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		<title>By: outstan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[outstan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Funny question since one cannot actually &quot;try&quot; it. I mean do i get a refund if I don&#039;t like it?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny question since one cannot actually &#8220;try&#8221; it. I mean do i get a refund if I don&#8217;t like it?</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83372</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;If you like perch, I have found a free alternative. Its called PulseCMS.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;pulsecms.com&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you like perch, I have found a free alternative. Its called PulseCMS.</p>
<p>pulsecms.com</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll be using Perch for some of my clients who have small sites and want to edit limited content.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Things I like: I love the fact that there is no WYSIWYG interface, so many clients make a hash of their site by using horrible typography or colour clashes.
Love the fact you host it on your own server and can easily be rebranded. Also very happy with the price.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How the heck can someone grumble at £35!? If you can&#039;t implement this into your clients site and make a mark-up on the price, you&#039;re in the wrong game.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be using Perch for some of my clients who have small sites and want to edit limited content.</p>
<p>Things I like: I love the fact that there is no WYSIWYG interface, so many clients make a hash of their site by using horrible typography or colour clashes.<br />
Love the fact you host it on your own server and can easily be rebranded. Also very happy with the price.</p>
<p>How the heck can someone grumble at £35!? If you can&#8217;t implement this into your clients site and make a mark-up on the price, you&#8217;re in the wrong game.</p>
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		<title>By: davey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would anyone pay for this when there are so many open source alternatives? I would consider it for a one time fee, but purchasing a new license for every site? No thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would anyone pay for this when there are so many open source alternatives? I would consider it for a one time fee, but purchasing a new license for every site? No thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: rachelandrew</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83369</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@abberdab (and others asking) we&#039;ve just put up the ability to try out Perch as an online demo.

If you sign up you&#039;ll get a unique instance of Perch created set up with a few templates already selected and a few new regions that you can choose any template for. I hope this helps you to see how Perch works.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://grabaperch.com/features/demo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Perch demo&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@abberdab (and others asking) we&#8217;ve just put up the ability to try out Perch as an online demo.</p>
<p>If you sign up you&#8217;ll get a unique instance of Perch created set up with a few templates already selected and a few new regions that you can choose any template for. I hope this helps you to see how Perch works.</p>
<p><a href="http://grabaperch.com/features/demo" rel="nofollow">Perch demo</a></p>
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		<title>By: abberdab</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83368</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[abberdab]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Tony M sez.

Perch sounds awesome to me precisely *because* it doesn&#039;t rely on a WYSIWYG editor, or enable changes to the page structure of a site, and I can host it myself.

I&#039;m a big fan of Concrete 5 and WordPress. I have created many sites with both and would recommend both. But, in some situations they are overkill.

Sometimes you have a small, otherwise static, site. The client only needs to keep one or two areas of content up to date. Implementing a full-blown CMS is not only overkill but also opens up the can-of-worms that many a designer/developer has experienced when they give the client more control than they want/need/are able to handle. Perch would seem to fill this CMS need, perfectly.

I would also, however, really love a demo so I can see if this is true or not!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Tony M sez.</p>
<p>Perch sounds awesome to me precisely *because* it doesn&#8217;t rely on a WYSIWYG editor, or enable changes to the page structure of a site, and I can host it myself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of Concrete 5 and WordPress. I have created many sites with both and would recommend both. But, in some situations they are overkill.</p>
<p>Sometimes you have a small, otherwise static, site. The client only needs to keep one or two areas of content up to date. Implementing a full-blown CMS is not only overkill but also opens up the can-of-worms that many a designer/developer has experienced when they give the client more control than they want/need/are able to handle. Perch would seem to fill this CMS need, perfectly.</p>
<p>I would also, however, really love a demo so I can see if this is true or not!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out Concrete5. Same concept. Used to be commercial but now it is free. Been around and tested - solid simple CMS. WYSIWYG included. Did I mention it&#039;s free?

concrete5.org]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Concrete5. Same concept. Used to be commercial but now it is free. Been around and tested &#8211; solid simple CMS. WYSIWYG included. Did I mention it&#8217;s free?</p>
<p>concrete5.org</p>
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		<title>By: Tony M</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perch is Cushy CMS but without the insecure handling and bottleneck login... as for Cushy being better, well it would be if you didn&#039;t have to wait 5 minutes to login to any page you want to edit so, it actually costs me as a professional designer money to use a free service. Aas a independent designer the one thing you can&#039;t solve is lack of time... and CUSHY costs me much more than Perch would cost, especially as I tack this cost on easily to any job without it impacting on much.

As for adding a WTFISWACK interface... one of the strong points is that your client can&#039;t ruin a great looking website by placing comic sans rainbow text next to the linked image on their desktop, one of the reasons I used a similarly simple CMS called WebYep. really most website owners just want to update text. Contribute did exactly the same thing and was $100 a pop... but that was Macromedia so it was cool.

To we wrap up, it&#039;s got it&#039;s place on the market... a with a few minor additions will find a strong niche in my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perch is Cushy CMS but without the insecure handling and bottleneck login&#8230; as for Cushy being better, well it would be if you didn&#8217;t have to wait 5 minutes to login to any page you want to edit so, it actually costs me as a professional designer money to use a free service. Aas a independent designer the one thing you can&#8217;t solve is lack of time&#8230; and CUSHY costs me much more than Perch would cost, especially as I tack this cost on easily to any job without it impacting on much.</p>
<p>As for adding a WTFISWACK interface&#8230; one of the strong points is that your client can&#8217;t ruin a great looking website by placing comic sans rainbow text next to the linked image on their desktop, one of the reasons I used a similarly simple CMS called WebYep. really most website owners just want to update text. Contribute did exactly the same thing and was $100 a pop&#8230; but that was Macromedia so it was cool.</p>
<p>To we wrap up, it&#8217;s got it&#8217;s place on the market&#8230; a with a few minor additions will find a strong niche in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: nscipione</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nscipione]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...hack a blogging system in order to do the job.&quot;

I suppose the best example of &quot;hack&quot; job would be WordPress, which is pretty light-weight compared to some of the other bulky CMS alternatives like Joomla. But is it really a &quot;hack&quot; job if you just take advantage of WP &quot;pages&quot; instead of using &quot;posts&quot;? Not to mention the ease of integrating a blog (which many clients prefer to have).

I use WordPress for just about all my projects, even if the client doesn&#039;t specifically ask for a CMS. It&#039;s extremely easy to build a theme around, there&#039;s thousands of web 2.0 add-ons, and there is A LOT of support.

I&#039;m not fully against using an alternative, but I&#039;d really need some convincing not to use WordPress which is free.

@rachelandrew - Have you considered making Perch open source? It could prove to be more lucrative and help gain popularity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;hack a blogging system in order to do the job.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose the best example of &#8220;hack&#8221; job would be WordPress, which is pretty light-weight compared to some of the other bulky CMS alternatives like Joomla. But is it really a &#8220;hack&#8221; job if you just take advantage of WP &#8220;pages&#8221; instead of using &#8220;posts&#8221;? Not to mention the ease of integrating a blog (which many clients prefer to have).</p>
<p>I use WordPress for just about all my projects, even if the client doesn&#8217;t specifically ask for a CMS. It&#8217;s extremely easy to build a theme around, there&#8217;s thousands of web 2.0 add-ons, and there is A LOT of support.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not fully against using an alternative, but I&#8217;d really need some convincing not to use WordPress which is free.</p>
<p>@rachelandrew &#8211; Have you considered making Perch open source? It could prove to be more lucrative and help gain popularity.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darrin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Evaluating options (whether Drupal or a lightweight CMS would work for any particular project) seems like it is exactly why a demo is needed. How else can one evaluate to make the decision without a very clear idea of what is possible and what is not? I like and use Drupal, however it is just such a huge task to configure properly. I would love to see something else pop-up in this lightweight CMS category that is quick to configure or retrofit to an existing site. I have tried a number of lightweight CMS offerings, including; CMS from scratch, Zimplit, NanoCMS, Cushy, CuteNews, etc. and they all had a number of drawbacks or shortcomings. Without the ability for clients to add new pages on some level, to me at least, there seems to already be offerings out there doing this for free - CMS from scratch comes to mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evaluating options (whether Drupal or a lightweight CMS would work for any particular project) seems like it is exactly why a demo is needed. How else can one evaluate to make the decision without a very clear idea of what is possible and what is not? I like and use Drupal, however it is just such a huge task to configure properly. I would love to see something else pop-up in this lightweight CMS category that is quick to configure or retrofit to an existing site. I have tried a number of lightweight CMS offerings, including; CMS from scratch, Zimplit, NanoCMS, Cushy, CuteNews, etc. and they all had a number of drawbacks or shortcomings. Without the ability for clients to add new pages on some level, to me at least, there seems to already be offerings out there doing this for free &#8211; CMS from scratch comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: rachelandrew</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rachelandrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for all the feedback - it&#039;s really helpful. I&#039;ll try and answer some of the questions.

WYSIWYG - we&#039;ve had a few suggestions. What is likely is that we&#039;ll add some kind of mark-up editor into the regions that use Textile/Markdown etc. To make it easy for people to do bold, links and so on. I think that will come in a dot release (free of charge and with a simple upgrade for existing customers of course)

We&#039;ve been very keen not to create a reliance on JavaScript in the admin side - any kind of editor will require JavaScript which is fine but at a base level we want to make sure that the whole thing works well even if the editor doesn&#039;t have JavaScript for some reason. So a mark-up editor would be an option not a requirement.

Images - at the moment we don&#039;t do resizing but this is definitely scheduled for a dot release pretty soon. It is something we want to do. One of the issues with this is to resize images requires GD or ImageMagick installed on the server, most shared hosts have one or the other though so it shouldn&#039;t be an issue but it&#039;s a decent chunk of work to make sure we can get this working really well on almost every server.

New pages - we don&#039;t have page creation. Perch isn&#039;t that kind of tool. A lot of the complexity in a big CMS comes from managing new pages, navigation structures and so on. Perch is for those times you want to build a simple site but let the client edit some of the content. There are things like ExpressionEngine as Simon mentioned that are better suited to bigger content managing needs.

We put up a bit more info about some of the more interesting Perch features such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grabaperch.com/features/multi-regions&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Multiple item content regions&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grabaperch.com/features/region-sharing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sharing content regions&lt;/a&gt; that may be of interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the feedback &#8211; it&#8217;s really helpful. I&#8217;ll try and answer some of the questions.</p>
<p>WYSIWYG &#8211; we&#8217;ve had a few suggestions. What is likely is that we&#8217;ll add some kind of mark-up editor into the regions that use Textile/Markdown etc. To make it easy for people to do bold, links and so on. I think that will come in a dot release (free of charge and with a simple upgrade for existing customers of course)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been very keen not to create a reliance on JavaScript in the admin side &#8211; any kind of editor will require JavaScript which is fine but at a base level we want to make sure that the whole thing works well even if the editor doesn&#8217;t have JavaScript for some reason. So a mark-up editor would be an option not a requirement.</p>
<p>Images &#8211; at the moment we don&#8217;t do resizing but this is definitely scheduled for a dot release pretty soon. It is something we want to do. One of the issues with this is to resize images requires GD or ImageMagick installed on the server, most shared hosts have one or the other though so it shouldn&#8217;t be an issue but it&#8217;s a decent chunk of work to make sure we can get this working really well on almost every server.</p>
<p>New pages &#8211; we don&#8217;t have page creation. Perch isn&#8217;t that kind of tool. A lot of the complexity in a big CMS comes from managing new pages, navigation structures and so on. Perch is for those times you want to build a simple site but let the client edit some of the content. There are things like ExpressionEngine as Simon mentioned that are better suited to bigger content managing needs.</p>
<p>We put up a bit more info about some of the more interesting Perch features such as <a href="http://www.grabaperch.com/features/multi-regions" rel="nofollow">Multiple item content regions</a> and <a href="http://www.grabaperch.com/features/region-sharing" rel="nofollow">sharing content regions</a> that may be of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Mackie</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Mackie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Troy Peterson - It might not be that technically difficult to implement a basic from of WYSIWYG for bolding, italics, etc. I kind of like the way it&#039;s constrained at the moment, though - that way the client is less likely to break the design by doing something silly :) @Rachel - maybe you could look at adding basic WYSIWYG as an optional extra?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Troy Peterson &#8211; It might not be that technically difficult to implement a basic from of WYSIWYG for bolding, italics, etc. I kind of like the way it&#8217;s constrained at the moment, though &#8211; that way the client is less likely to break the design by doing something silly :) @Rachel &#8211; maybe you could look at adding basic WYSIWYG as an optional extra?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Mackie</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/perch-an-ultra-lightweight-cms/#comment-83361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Mackie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Darrin - Agreed that an online demo at grabaperch.com would be a good idea. However, if you need that sort of functionality I think you&#039;ll need to look at a more heavyweight CMS solution. Perch is good for those sites where you want to make a few areas editable by the client so they can make updates themselves without having to come back to you all the time. If you want them to be able to add new pages, resize images, etc, I would look at ExpressionEngine, Drupal, W etc..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Darrin &#8211; Agreed that an online demo at grabaperch.com would be a good idea. However, if you need that sort of functionality I think you&#8217;ll need to look at a more heavyweight CMS solution. Perch is good for those sites where you want to make a few areas editable by the client so they can make updates themselves without having to come back to you all the time. If you want them to be able to add new pages, resize images, etc, I would look at ExpressionEngine, Drupal, W etc..</p>
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