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		<title>By: WebWorkerDaily &#187; Archive All You Can Surf UK: Pret A Manger Offers Free Wifi &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73105</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WebWorkerDaily &#187; Archive All You Can Surf UK: Pret A Manger Offers Free Wifi &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the UK has seen the failure of a number of municipal wifi projects (and FON!), pressure from 3G and creative revenue streams may mean that free public wifi will be an [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: FON Community hits 1 million member mark, one step closer to worldwide free WiFi network?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73104</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FON Community hits 1 million member mark, one step closer to worldwide free WiFi network?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] blog comments and not responding to criticism about the security of the FON routers. Also check out this post on WebWorkerDaily about &#8216;coping with FON-liness&#8217; for reference. I hope you like that post! The Next Web [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog comments and not responding to criticism about the security of the FON routers. Also check out this post on WebWorkerDaily about &#8216;coping with FON-liness&#8217; for reference. I hope you like that post! The Next Web [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I stand corrected I must have received it in early 2006.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected I must have received it in early 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: fonoverser</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fonoverser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;play tricks with words or claim to offer features which only exist under absurd circumstances or after bizzarre interpretation of otherwise common words. I have not served as moderator of their discussion board for many months now.&quot;, so by these words AustinTx declares as: &quot;positive, truthful, thoughtful and independant of fanatacism.&quot;

he doesn´t seem to realize his own absurdity...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;play tricks with words or claim to offer features which only exist under absurd circumstances or after bizzarre interpretation of otherwise common words. I have not served as moderator of their discussion board for many months now.&#8221;, so by these words AustinTx declares as: &#8220;positive, truthful, thoughtful and independant of fanatacism.&#8221;</p>
<p>he doesn´t seem to realize his own absurdity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you lived in London you would find Fon everywhere??! who do you think you are kidding? I have yet to find one single Fon or Btfon hotspot in london! i&#039;ve given up as well, and my fonera is packed away in a drawer, it was a waste of energy. Most of my friends have turned off theirs as well. If after 3 years they have less than one hundred thousand fon active hotspots, as their maps say, things are going reeeeally bad.

It is a pity, i was a huge Fon fan at the beginning, but things have changed lots and you are right, it is ridiculous the amount of non fon related things that the labs and CEO are doing, instead of worrying about how to improve services, coverage, fonera functionality, etc. Surely fon shareholders wont be too happy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you lived in London you would find Fon everywhere??! who do you think you are kidding? I have yet to find one single Fon or Btfon hotspot in london! i&#8217;ve given up as well, and my fonera is packed away in a drawer, it was a waste of energy. Most of my friends have turned off theirs as well. If after 3 years they have less than one hundred thousand fon active hotspots, as their maps say, things are going reeeeally bad.</p>
<p>It is a pity, i was a huge Fon fan at the beginning, but things have changed lots and you are right, it is ridiculous the amount of non fon related things that the labs and CEO are doing, instead of worrying about how to improve services, coverage, fonera functionality, etc. Surely fon shareholders wont be too happy!</p>
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		<title>By: AustinTX</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AustinTX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve made 4,248 posts on boards.fon.com as of this moment, mostly positive, truthful, thoughtful and independant of fanatacism.

As for Whisher.com, it is a -free- solution to sharing -free- wifi safely which has no dependance on router model (or proprietary firmwere therin). Unlike Fon, they do not play tricks with words or claim to offer features which only exist under absurd circumstances or after bizzarre interpretation of otherwise common words. I have not served as moderator of their discussion board for many months now.

It is Fon which is antagonistic to Whisher, because Whisher was founded by some talented guys who severed their partnerships with Martin Varsavsky before Fon even got started. In retaliation, Martin helped other friends of his to launch a Whisher clone!

I don&#039;t know who this &quot;fonoverser&quot; is, but he is advised to stick to facts, and abandon his trolling tactics and personal attacks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve made 4,248 posts on boards.fon.com as of this moment, mostly positive, truthful, thoughtful and independant of fanatacism.</p>
<p>As for Whisher.com, it is a -free- solution to sharing -free- wifi safely which has no dependance on router model (or proprietary firmwere therin). Unlike Fon, they do not play tricks with words or claim to offer features which only exist under absurd circumstances or after bizzarre interpretation of otherwise common words. I have not served as moderator of their discussion board for many months now.</p>
<p>It is Fon which is antagonistic to Whisher, because Whisher was founded by some talented guys who severed their partnerships with Martin Varsavsky before Fon even got started. In retaliation, Martin helped other friends of his to launch a Whisher clone!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who this &#8220;fonoverser&#8221; is, but he is advised to stick to facts, and abandon his trolling tactics and personal attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: fonoverser</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fonoverser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[regarding AustinTX: this guy has posted about 5.000 mostly negative postings in english fonboard. he seems to need help, really abandoned in the &quot;lonelyness of a long distance poster&quot;..... so, it would be better not to listen any longer to all his anti-FON tirades, cause he is a moderator of an antagonistic start-up, called whisher, and strongly seems to be influencened by these guys. whisher has made a turn-around of 180 degrees, concerning its business model... so it should be clear what the real motivations are.... and where the real motives may be found. its promising, that this guy disappears from FON.... and do no longer waste his energy....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regarding AustinTX: this guy has posted about 5.000 mostly negative postings in english fonboard. he seems to need help, really abandoned in the &#8220;lonelyness of a long distance poster&#8221;&#8230;.. so, it would be better not to listen any longer to all his anti-FON tirades, cause he is a moderator of an antagonistic start-up, called whisher, and strongly seems to be influencened by these guys. whisher has made a turn-around of 180 degrees, concerning its business model&#8230; so it should be clear what the real motivations are&#8230;. and where the real motives may be found. its promising, that this guy disappears from FON&#8230;. and do no longer waste his energy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: fonoverser</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fonoverser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jason, you are telling nonsense to the public. This FON thing started sending routers in II/2006. so tell us, how can you receive one, before starting sending out? *LOL*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason, you are telling nonsense to the public. This FON thing started sending routers in II/2006. so tell us, how can you receive one, before starting sending out? *LOL*</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While mine has been deactivated for a while (I believe I actually received it in 2004 or 2005) I never had a single person login to it.  I&#039;ve since re purposed the router (back then they were sending out the WRT54GS routers with their own build loaded) and loaded up Tomato on it.  Unfortunately it won&#039;t keep up with a 15Mb down 2Mb up connection.  So off to eBay it goes.

If you look at the map of locations and look at San Francisco then you&#039;ll see lots of penetration.  Hotspots everywhere.

I think if they want to stick around they need to keep the free routers sent to those that have a spot where people will use it and not all the citys out in the middle of tim buck two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While mine has been deactivated for a while (I believe I actually received it in 2004 or 2005) I never had a single person login to it.  I&#8217;ve since re purposed the router (back then they were sending out the WRT54GS routers with their own build loaded) and loaded up Tomato on it.  Unfortunately it won&#8217;t keep up with a 15Mb down 2Mb up connection.  So off to eBay it goes.</p>
<p>If you look at the map of locations and look at San Francisco then you&#8217;ll see lots of penetration.  Hotspots everywhere.</p>
<p>I think if they want to stick around they need to keep the free routers sent to those that have a spot where people will use it and not all the citys out in the middle of tim buck two.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinTX</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AustinTX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For example, my own Linksys Fon router has been turned off (repurposed) for almost exactly a year now. It&#039;s icon still appears on the Fon Map, and it&#039;s address is in the POI file download. Others have complained that theirs remained on the map for far longer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For example, my own Linksys Fon router has been turned off (repurposed) for almost exactly a year now. It&#8217;s icon still appears on the Fon Map, and it&#8217;s address is in the POI file download. Others have complained that theirs remained on the map for far longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran Ali</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Imran Ali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks AustinTX, your investigations add some additional further evidence to the debate that the FON community is in decline. I&#039;ve also seen &#039;phantom hotspots&#039; in my city here which I know for sure are deactivated, but are still listed years later...however at the time it simply seemed to be a problem in maintaining accuracy, but perhaps the time lag is increasing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks AustinTX, your investigations add some additional further evidence to the debate that the FON community is in decline. I&#8217;ve also seen &#8216;phantom hotspots&#8217; in my city here which I know for sure are deactivated, but are still listed years later&#8230;however at the time it simply seemed to be a problem in maintaining accuracy, but perhaps the time lag is increasing?</p>
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		<title>By: AustinTX</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AustinTX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry about that terrible formatting! Darn Notepad! :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that terrible formatting! Darn Notepad! :D</p>
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		<title>By: AustinTX</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AustinTX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must strongly object whenever Martin Varsavsky blames the USA for failing to develop into a thriving Fon

community. Fon has shipped many routers here, and provided routers for several gay pride events(!), but precious

little else. The USA was full of enthusiastic Foneros who kept busy building and planning and promoting Fon while

waiting for the Fon-train that never arrived to pick them up. Many members throughout the English speaking Fon

community have complained about being ignored and abandoned! Fon has only quietly maintained 1-2 permanent

employees for the whole USA, and suprisingly, never ventured into Mexico or Canada.

The problem is Fon&#039;s business model: conscript as many true-believers as possible to volunteer their resources,

and sell the company profitably. This is what MV verifiably does with ALL of his ventures. I admired Martin when

I first joined Fon, and he is undoubtedly an extremely charismatic personality, but I no longer accept a single

thing he says at face value.

Some points of ponder: Martin&#039;s blog says Aliens are not Foneros, and Fon says that to be a Fonero you must host

a Fon hotspot. Foneros may host more than one hotspot, and many do so. However, Martin also says there are 830K*

Foneros, but only 332K* Fon hotspots have ever been registered. Also that only 212K* remain active. You can see

what is wrong with this math! Logically, there should be somewhat fewer Foneros than Fon hotspots. It means that

he *does* count every Alien, many of whom consist only of an unverified email address submitted for &quot;free 15

minutes&quot; of wifi.

*late May, 2006

Fon&#039;s hotspot locator map and GPS coordinate file downloads are demonstrably inaccurate. Hotspots remain marked

on the map years after they have been unplugged, and the POI/GPS files are full of obviously bogus data, and

never get purged. FrancoFON, a group who develops an unsanctioned firmware enhancement for Fon&#039;s proprietary

routers, polls Fon&#039;s mapdata server daily. They come up with considerably lower numbers of registered hotspots

(206K*) and active hotspots (95K*).

Also, I share your misgivings about Fon Labs. Fon has abandoned improvement of wifi-related matters like the

login interface, hotspot administration and ISP compatability, for projects which possibly reflect Martin&#039;s

interests after selling Fon.

Other matters of worry include how payments are divided up. Fon has long suggested that money collected from

Aliens is &quot;split&quot; between Bill Foneros and Fon. It comes to light that what they really split is whatever is left

after approx 1/3 is deducted for &quot;fees and taxes&quot;. In my blog, i&#039;ve illustrated what we presume these f&amp;t to be in the UK. However, Fon refuses to verify it, and i&#039;ve been struggling over the last week to get USA f&amp;t information from Fon&#039;s very unhelpful Customer Care. I&#039;m corresponding directly with Arthur Gallanter, who is also Fon&#039;s new English Forum Moderator, and son of Fon&#039;s &quot;Chief USA Fonero&quot; Joanna Rees-Gallanter. Let&#039;s just say he doesn&#039;t know the meaning of customer care. He&#039;s provided numerous factually wrong answers, deliberately misunderstood my questions, and pulled every other trick in the book to evade helping me. He&#039;s warned me that CC has now been coached to provide the same non-answers as he has, and that I should just give up. He signs his emails &quot;Goodbye&quot;, as if that wasn&#039;t blunt enough. As &quot;Board Moderator&quot;, he&#039;s singled me out and warned me that none of my posts may now reflect any negativity for Fon, as he feels I haven&#039;t been &quot;balanced&quot; enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must strongly object whenever Martin Varsavsky blames the USA for failing to develop into a thriving Fon</p>
<p>community. Fon has shipped many routers here, and provided routers for several gay pride events(!), but precious</p>
<p>little else. The USA was full of enthusiastic Foneros who kept busy building and planning and promoting Fon while</p>
<p>waiting for the Fon-train that never arrived to pick them up. Many members throughout the English speaking Fon</p>
<p>community have complained about being ignored and abandoned! Fon has only quietly maintained 1-2 permanent</p>
<p>employees for the whole USA, and suprisingly, never ventured into Mexico or Canada.</p>
<p>The problem is Fon&#8217;s business model: conscript as many true-believers as possible to volunteer their resources,</p>
<p>and sell the company profitably. This is what MV verifiably does with ALL of his ventures. I admired Martin when</p>
<p>I first joined Fon, and he is undoubtedly an extremely charismatic personality, but I no longer accept a single</p>
<p>thing he says at face value.</p>
<p>Some points of ponder: Martin&#8217;s blog says Aliens are not Foneros, and Fon says that to be a Fonero you must host</p>
<p>a Fon hotspot. Foneros may host more than one hotspot, and many do so. However, Martin also says there are 830K*</p>
<p>Foneros, but only 332K* Fon hotspots have ever been registered. Also that only 212K* remain active. You can see</p>
<p>what is wrong with this math! Logically, there should be somewhat fewer Foneros than Fon hotspots. It means that</p>
<p>he *does* count every Alien, many of whom consist only of an unverified email address submitted for &#8220;free 15</p>
<p>minutes&#8221; of wifi.</p>
<p>*late May, 2006</p>
<p>Fon&#8217;s hotspot locator map and GPS coordinate file downloads are demonstrably inaccurate. Hotspots remain marked</p>
<p>on the map years after they have been unplugged, and the POI/GPS files are full of obviously bogus data, and</p>
<p>never get purged. FrancoFON, a group who develops an unsanctioned firmware enhancement for Fon&#8217;s proprietary</p>
<p>routers, polls Fon&#8217;s mapdata server daily. They come up with considerably lower numbers of registered hotspots</p>
<p>(206K*) and active hotspots (95K*).</p>
<p>Also, I share your misgivings about Fon Labs. Fon has abandoned improvement of wifi-related matters like the</p>
<p>login interface, hotspot administration and ISP compatability, for projects which possibly reflect Martin&#8217;s</p>
<p>interests after selling Fon.</p>
<p>Other matters of worry include how payments are divided up. Fon has long suggested that money collected from</p>
<p>Aliens is &#8220;split&#8221; between Bill Foneros and Fon. It comes to light that what they really split is whatever is left</p>
<p>after approx 1/3 is deducted for &#8220;fees and taxes&#8221;. In my blog, i&#8217;ve illustrated what we presume these f&amp;t to be in the UK. However, Fon refuses to verify it, and i&#8217;ve been struggling over the last week to get USA f&amp;t information from Fon&#8217;s very unhelpful Customer Care. I&#8217;m corresponding directly with Arthur Gallanter, who is also Fon&#8217;s new English Forum Moderator, and son of Fon&#8217;s &#8220;Chief USA Fonero&#8221; Joanna Rees-Gallanter. Let&#8217;s just say he doesn&#8217;t know the meaning of customer care. He&#8217;s provided numerous factually wrong answers, deliberately misunderstood my questions, and pulled every other trick in the book to evade helping me. He&#8217;s warned me that CC has now been coached to provide the same non-answers as he has, and that I should just give up. He signs his emails &#8220;Goodbye&#8221;, as if that wasn&#8217;t blunt enough. As &#8220;Board Moderator&#8221;, he&#8217;s singled me out and warned me that none of my posts may now reflect any negativity for Fon, as he feels I haven&#8217;t been &#8220;balanced&#8221; enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FON sounds really cool, but when I got mine in the mail it didn&#039;t work at all. I might have just gotten a defective one but I guess I&#039;m just a little down on the service since then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FON sounds really cool, but when I got mine in the mail it didn&#8217;t work at all. I might have just gotten a defective one but I guess I&#8217;m just a little down on the service since then.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran Ali</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Imran Ali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Tarique yes, you&#039;re FONtain of knowledge...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tarique yes, you&#8217;re FONtain of knowledge&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tarique Naseem</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/collaboration/coping-with-fon-liness/#comment-73090</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tarique Naseem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeh, Imran, stop making FON of them.
(Sorry; had to be said)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh, Imran, stop making FON of them.<br />
(Sorry; had to be said)</p>
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