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		<title>By: Bala Nataraj</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bala Nataraj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 02:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Excellent article Katie - very relevant to what Im seeing daily in my involvement with Smart initiatives in 2010.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article Katie &#8211; very relevant to what Im seeing daily in my involvement with Smart initiatives in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: James Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Does anyone have proof that more information actually saves energy in residential applications? I understand the theoretical benefit, but in practice I have seen very little real result on how meter data in residential leads to persistent reduction.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am not ignorant on how to save energy. Last year my company reduced energy use in more than 28K small businesses and 6,800 homes. In a previous business my team reduced energy usage 20% in 1,000 large buildings using real time data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The people who are pushing more real time data, are in the business of data not efficiency.  If you want the data go buy TED.  It&#039;s cheap.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I sell solutions that reduce energy usage. If I thought more real time data or an edict from the President would drive me more business, wouldn&#039;t I be for it? But proposals like the  Markey bill will cause a lot of people to spend a lot of money on real time data access with limited results. It disintermediates what the thoughtful utilities are trying to do, which may cause them to revert to doing nothing in energy efficiency, is that good?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Things like 15min interval data (in residential) does not solve the problem. If you want to analyze a building to get to the real issues you need to sample down at 15khz (yes that is 15,000 times a second). Practically, we do not know the right and best way to gather data that effects change at scale in residential, so we should not set a national policy until innovators deliver.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;TOU is just another game for high cost energy in markets with low reserve margin. The bulk of CO2 comes from base load. I don&#039;t need a meter to tell me to install a 19seer air conditioner, CFLs, etc. And once these systems are in, I don&#039;t need to stare at Google Power meter to learn more. Normal people want to live their life, not stare at goats.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Before we go spend several billions more, maybe we should actually do some real scientific study on what drives people to adopt persistent energy efficiency measures. For example, pre-pay meters provide a simple status signal (Yellow/Red light) and drive 15% reduction in energy usage - no interval data required.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have proof that more information actually saves energy in residential applications? I understand the theoretical benefit, but in practice I have seen very little real result on how meter data in residential leads to persistent reduction.</p>
<p>I am not ignorant on how to save energy. Last year my company reduced energy use in more than 28K small businesses and 6,800 homes. In a previous business my team reduced energy usage 20% in 1,000 large buildings using real time data.</p>
<p>The people who are pushing more real time data, are in the business of data not efficiency.  If you want the data go buy TED.  It&#8217;s cheap.</p>
<p>I sell solutions that reduce energy usage. If I thought more real time data or an edict from the President would drive me more business, wouldn&#8217;t I be for it? But proposals like the  Markey bill will cause a lot of people to spend a lot of money on real time data access with limited results. It disintermediates what the thoughtful utilities are trying to do, which may cause them to revert to doing nothing in energy efficiency, is that good?</p>
<p>Things like 15min interval data (in residential) does not solve the problem. If you want to analyze a building to get to the real issues you need to sample down at 15khz (yes that is 15,000 times a second). Practically, we do not know the right and best way to gather data that effects change at scale in residential, so we should not set a national policy until innovators deliver.</p>
<p>TOU is just another game for high cost energy in markets with low reserve margin. The bulk of CO2 comes from base load. I don&#8217;t need a meter to tell me to install a 19seer air conditioner, CFLs, etc. And once these systems are in, I don&#8217;t need to stare at Google Power meter to learn more. Normal people want to live their life, not stare at goats.</p>
<p>Before we go spend several billions more, maybe we should actually do some real scientific study on what drives people to adopt persistent energy efficiency measures. For example, pre-pay meters provide a simple status signal (Yellow/Red light) and drive 15% reduction in energy usage &#8211; no interval data required.</p>
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		<title>By: Google: People need info to save energy &#124; iPhone News</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Google: People need info to save energy &#124; iPhone News]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 10:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...]   Some say smart grid technology is too expensive, as the Wall Street Journal reports. The blog earth2tech says some electricity companies may not make energy data available fast enough to really be that useful [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]   Some say smart grid technology is too expensive, as the Wall Street Journal reports. The blog earth2tech says some electricity companies may not make energy data available fast enough to really be that useful [...]</p>
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		<title>By: California’s Smart Meter Battle: Google vs. Utilities</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-time-soon/#comment-23574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[California’s Smart Meter Battle: Google vs. Utilities]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] those being deployed by California’s big utilities, are lower-bandwidth and designed to be read every 15 minutes or hourly, not in real time. While there are ways to get faster or more current price information to [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] those being deployed by California’s big utilities, are lower-bandwidth and designed to be read every 15 minutes or hourly, not in real time. While there are ways to get faster or more current price information to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GreenRoad&#8217;s Latest Investor: Al Gore&#8217;s Fund</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GreenRoad&#8217;s Latest Investor: Al Gore&#8217;s Fund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] customers and approved third parties with “near real time” data from smart meters. Check out this piece I wrote last year about how important real-time data is for changing home energy consumption and also for delivering [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] customers and approved third parties with “near real time” data from smart meters. Check out this piece I wrote last year about how important real-time data is for changing home energy consumption and also for delivering [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How the FCC Will Promote Open Smart Grid Networks &#38; Real Time Energy Data</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-time-soon/#comment-23572</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How the FCC Will Promote Open Smart Grid Networks &#38; Real Time Energy Data]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] to help promote innovation and also change consumer behavior. As I wrote in an article last year (Why The Smart Grid Won&#8217;t Have the Innovations of the Internet Any Time Soon) most utility networks are not currently being built to provide consumers real-time access to [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to help promote innovation and also change consumer behavior. As I wrote in an article last year (Why The Smart Grid Won&#8217;t Have the Innovations of the Internet Any Time Soon) most utility networks are not currently being built to provide consumers real-time access to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Top 15 Stories from 2009 &#124; Earth2Tech &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Top 15 Stories from 2009 &#124; Earth2Tech &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...]  Why the Smart Grid Won’t Have the Innovations of the Internet Any Time Soon: I wrote this in June after I realized how controlled and closed the networks that the utilities would be building would be compared to the build out of the Internet. [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Why the Smart Grid Won’t Have the Innovations of the Internet Any Time Soon: I wrote this in June after I realized how controlled and closed the networks that the utilities would be building would be compared to the build out of the Internet. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: José Antonio Vanderhorst-Silverio, Ph.D.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-time-soon/#comment-23570</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[José Antonio Vanderhorst-Silverio, Ph.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Please check my quote of (as well as my response to) your suggestion in the link http://earth2tech.com/2010/01/01/our-favorites-top-15-earth2tech-stories-from-2009/&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please check my quote of (as well as my response to) your suggestion in the link <a href="http://earth2tech.com/2010/01/01/our-favorites-top-15-earth2tech-stories-from-2009/" rel="nofollow">http://earth2tech.com/2010/01/01/our-favorites-top-15-earth2tech-stories-from-2009/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Smart Grid &#124; Smart Grids Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-time-soon/#comment-23569</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smart Grid &#124; Smart Grids Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] ^ http://earth2tech.com/2009/06/05/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-ti... [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ^ <a href="http://earth2tech.com/2009/06/05/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-ti.." rel="nofollow">http://earth2tech.com/2009/06/05/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-ti..</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Our Favorites: Top 15 Earth2Tech Stories from 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Our Favorites: Top 15 Earth2Tech Stories from 2009]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...]  Why the Smart Grid Won’t Have the Innovations of the Internet Any Time Soon: I wrote this in June after I realized how controlled and closed the networks that the utilities would be building would be compared to the build out of the Internet. [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Why the Smart Grid Won’t Have the Innovations of the Internet Any Time Soon: I wrote this in June after I realized how controlled and closed the networks that the utilities would be building would be compared to the build out of the Internet. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zoe bean bag</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-time-soon/#comment-23567</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zoe bean bag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Thought so as well.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought so as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Google&#8217;s Power Meter meets the Energy Detective &#124; Ecopreneur, Green business opportunities, Green franchise, Rainwater harvesting,Water conservation,Greywater</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-time-soon/#comment-23566</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Google&#8217;s Power Meter meets the Energy Detective &#124; Ecopreneur, Green business opportunities, Green franchise, Rainwater harvesting,Water conservation,Greywater]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] that can significantly delay the time it takes the energy information to reach the customer. As we pointed out in this article, utilities today are largely designing smart grid networks to collect data from smart meters in a [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that can significantly delay the time it takes the energy information to reach the customer. As we pointed out in this article, utilities today are largely designing smart grid networks to collect data from smart meters in a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: eMeter &#8211; Are consumers benefiting yet from smart metering?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-time-soon/#comment-23565</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eMeter &#8211; Are consumers benefiting yet from smart metering?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] the blog sites voicing pessimism about consumer benefits, Katie Fehrenbacher of Earth2Tech and Energy Circle’s blog about Hydro One’s Smart Meter deployment both argue that consumers [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the blog sites voicing pessimism about consumer benefits, Katie Fehrenbacher of Earth2Tech and Energy Circle’s blog about Hydro One’s Smart Meter deployment both argue that consumers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dynamic Pricing Comes to Amazon&#8217;s Cloud &#8211; GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-time-soon/#comment-23564</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dynamic Pricing Comes to Amazon&#8217;s Cloud &#8211; GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] and more often. In addition to the cloud, mobile operators are eying dynamic pricing models, as are utilities as they implement smart grids. Fixed price may soon become a quaint anachronism, along with newspapers and landlines.    : [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and more often. In addition to the cloud, mobile operators are eying dynamic pricing models, as are utilities as they implement smart grids. Fixed price may soon become a quaint anachronism, along with newspapers and landlines.    : [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why the Smart Grid Needs to Ditch Its Old Skool Architecture, Now</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/why-the-smart-grid-wont-have-the-innovations-of-the-internet-any-time-soon/#comment-23563</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why the Smart Grid Needs to Ditch Its Old Skool Architecture, Now]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] consumption feedback for customers. I touched on that subject earlier this year in a post entitled &#8220;Why the Smart Grid Won’t Have the Innovations of the Internet Any Time Soon.&#8221; After interviews with a handful of utilities, it was clear to me that while most utilities [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] consumption feedback for customers. I touched on that subject earlier this year in a post entitled &#8220;Why the Smart Grid Won’t Have the Innovations of the Internet Any Time Soon.&#8221; After interviews with a handful of utilities, it was clear to me that while most utilities [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I think consumers (or... (ahem) &quot;people&quot;, as they&#039;re sometimes known) are going to route around this problem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The future of smart-grids isn&#039;t going to be centralised, it&#039;s going to be driven by a device that sits where wall-plugs (or light-fittings etc) normally sit - but is remotely controllable, and which feeds information back to the user&#039;s wifi router.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The data will be collected by the second rather than by the minute/hour... and the primary interest will be the lazy/cool factor... for people to turn off the lights without having to get their fat arses up off the sofa, or check that they haven&#039;t left the gas on, after they&#039;ve left the house. To turn on the lights (and the cameras) in the garage if they hear a noise out there at night.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The secondary interest is that they&#039;ll be able to see (graphically - with a proper, over-friendly Web 2.0 style graphical interface) how much energy is being used at any given point... with the ability to click off anything not needed.... without having to get out of bed. It will all be doable from their cellphone or laptop, or any other device capable of receiving/displaying etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Combine this with micro-generation (eg: Nanosolar, Konarka et al)... I think we&#039;ll get to a point where people are going to say &quot;ok, I can jump from here&quot;... and rather than using The National Grid as a backup, using a little petrol/biomass generator instead.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So... similar to the way that the web is creating the means for people to simply route around the music/film industry... I think it&#039;s going to happen with energy as well.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think consumers (or&#8230; (ahem) &#8220;people&#8221;, as they&#8217;re sometimes known) are going to route around this problem.</p>
<p>The future of smart-grids isn&#8217;t going to be centralised, it&#8217;s going to be driven by a device that sits where wall-plugs (or light-fittings etc) normally sit &#8211; but is remotely controllable, and which feeds information back to the user&#8217;s wifi router.</p>
<p>The data will be collected by the second rather than by the minute/hour&#8230; and the primary interest will be the lazy/cool factor&#8230; for people to turn off the lights without having to get their fat arses up off the sofa, or check that they haven&#8217;t left the gas on, after they&#8217;ve left the house. To turn on the lights (and the cameras) in the garage if they hear a noise out there at night.</p>
<p>The secondary interest is that they&#8217;ll be able to see (graphically &#8211; with a proper, over-friendly Web 2.0 style graphical interface) how much energy is being used at any given point&#8230; with the ability to click off anything not needed&#8230;. without having to get out of bed. It will all be doable from their cellphone or laptop, or any other device capable of receiving/displaying etc.</p>
<p>Combine this with micro-generation (eg: Nanosolar, Konarka et al)&#8230; I think we&#8217;ll get to a point where people are going to say &#8220;ok, I can jump from here&#8221;&#8230; and rather than using The National Grid as a backup, using a little petrol/biomass generator instead.</p>
<p>So&#8230; similar to the way that the web is creating the means for people to simply route around the music/film industry&#8230; I think it&#8217;s going to happen with energy as well.</p>
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