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		<title>By: Tesla IPO: What It Means for the Green Car Biz &#171; ambujkumar</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25582</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesla IPO: What It Means for the Green Car Biz &#171; ambujkumar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 23:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] offerings are not just about financing — they’re also branding events. So a successful IPO for Tesla and sustained strong performance on Wall Street could potentially [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Tesla IPO: What It Means for the Green Car Biz</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesla IPO: What It Means for the Green Car Biz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] offerings are not just about financing — they’re also branding events. So a successful IPO for Tesla and sustained strong performance on Wall Street could potentially [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: 20 Battery Startups Hitting the Road With Lithium-ion</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25580</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[20 Battery Startups Hitting the Road With Lithium-ion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] requested $15 million from the Department of Energy&#8217;s battery grant program, but those funds have not come through so far. In November Sastry told CNN she expects Sakti3 to commercialize its technology by late [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] requested $15 million from the Department of Energy&#8217;s battery grant program, but those funds have not come through so far. In November Sastry told CNN she expects Sakti3 to commercialize its technology by late [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tesla IPO: A Test for VC Model in the Auto Biz</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesla IPO: A Test for VC Model in the Auto Biz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] the end of the day, public offerings are not just about financing &#8212; they&#8217;re also branding events, as panelists at the AlwaysOn Summit at Stanford noted this summer. A successful IPO for Tesla [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the end of the day, public offerings are not just about financing &#8212; they&#8217;re also branding events, as panelists at the AlwaysOn Summit at Stanford noted this summer. A successful IPO for Tesla [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Beyond the Stimulus: Untapped Resources for Startups, VCs</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25578</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beyond the Stimulus: Untapped Resources for Startups, VCs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] of Energy&#8217;s highly competitive battery manufacturing program, but many more smaller companies didn&#8217;t make the cut, at least in that round. Kasdin thinks startups can do [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Energy&#8217;s highly competitive battery manufacturing program, but many more smaller companies didn&#8217;t make the cut, at least in that round. Kasdin thinks startups can do [...]</p>
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		<title>By: blah</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25577</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;just thank god the government didn&#039;t waste tax payer money on Boston Power.  If they did, it would fund another year of empty promises and press releases only.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just thank god the government didn&#8217;t waste tax payer money on Boston Power.  If they did, it would fund another year of empty promises and press releases only.</p>
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		<title>By: joemorris</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25576</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joemorris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Walt,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d be happy to share a more extensive list of battery startups I put together with how much funding they raised &amp; their technologies.  Post your email and I&#039;ll send it over.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here is a summary of the better known battery startups.
http://earth2tech.com/2009/07/20/13-battery-startups-hitting-the-road-with-lithium-ion/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Joe&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to share a more extensive list of battery startups I put together with how much funding they raised &amp; their technologies.  Post your email and I&#8217;ll send it over.</p>
<p>Here is a summary of the better known battery startups.<br />
<a href="http://earth2tech.com/2009/07/20/13-battery-startups-hitting-the-road-with-lithium-ion/" rel="nofollow">http://earth2tech.com/2009/07/20/13-battery-startups-hitting-the-road-with-lithium-ion/</a></p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: waltinseattle</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25575</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[waltinseattle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Joe Morris, this is exactly how I look at this whole field of grant &quot;aid&quot;  To the big fish goes the relief.  Ah some pattern here with other recent Gov&#039;t &quot;relief&quot; programs?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was not aware there were so many startups I&#039;d love to hear from you on them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Someone like 123, with contracts in the pipe vis DoD, needs a bank credit line (repayable loans$) to ramp up productivity, not a gov&#039;t contest grant (free $). IMHO&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Morris, this is exactly how I look at this whole field of grant &#8220;aid&#8221;  To the big fish goes the relief.  Ah some pattern here with other recent Gov&#8217;t &#8220;relief&#8221; programs?</p>
<p>I was not aware there were so many startups I&#8217;d love to hear from you on them.</p>
<p>Someone like 123, with contracts in the pipe vis DoD, needs a bank credit line (repayable loans$) to ramp up productivity, not a gov&#8217;t contest grant (free $). IMHO</p>
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		<title>By: 3 Under-the-Radar Battery Grant Winners</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[3 Under-the-Radar Battery Grant Winners]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] electric vehicle battery initiative went to big-name companies: battery giant Johnson Controls, IPO-hopeful A123Systems, General Motors, Dow Kokam and LG Chem&#8217;s Compact Power all snagged more than $150 million [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] electric vehicle battery initiative went to big-name companies: battery giant Johnson Controls, IPO-hopeful A123Systems, General Motors, Dow Kokam and LG Chem&#8217;s Compact Power all snagged more than $150 million [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Commentary By MI Gov. 'Battery Grants Give Mich. A Charge'. &#124; The Centrist</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25573</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Commentary By MI Gov. 'Battery Grants Give Mich. A Charge'. &#124; The Centrist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] electric vehicle battery initiative went to big-name companies: battery giant Johnson Controls, IPO-hopeful A123Systems, General Motors, Dow Kokam and LG Chem&#8217;s Compact Power all snagged more than $150 million [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] electric vehicle battery initiative went to big-name companies: battery giant Johnson Controls, IPO-hopeful A123Systems, General Motors, Dow Kokam and LG Chem&rsquo;s Compact Power all snagged more than $150 million [...]</p>
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		<title>By: joemorris</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25572</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joemorris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Sakti3 and A123 are not comparable.  A123 has been around for 7 years and has gotten several hundred million dollars in backing.  They have 1,600 employees, have raised hundreds of millions of dollars and are the #1 supplier of Li Phosphate in N. America.  A123 is not a small company anymore, they are competing with conglomerates with battery divisions that are probably roughly the same size as A123.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, their iron phosphate battery technology is not all that great.  GM went with a Manganese Spinel.  Nissan went with a Manganese Spinel for the recently announced Leaf.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A123 is not a small fish in the world of high-power batteries.  It&#039;s amazing that two major Nickel-Cobalt plays got funded.  They are way too expensive and unsafe to make it into more than a few thousand experimental cars.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All of these players are a decent start but none of them have a battery that will enable real penetration of EV&#039;s.  Hopefully the government will fund some next generation battery companies at some point to create a true competitive advantage in the U.S.  Subisidizing factories with technologies that can&#039;t compete on their own is a 3rd world economic strategy that midwesterners should be insulted by if there is no support of technological innovation to back it up.  Help us start up a midwestern version of Silicon Valley or MIT.  Going head to head with Asian companies with no technological differentiation (or maybe worse in this case) is totally pointless.  Used battery manufacturing equipment will be really cheap in Michigan in five years if more progress on the technology is not made.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The most ironic part of Biden&#039;s speech was when he closed by saying that A123 was founded with a small grant from DOE, and then he proceeded to hand out hundreds of millions to large companies.  Meanwhile, zero money went to the 20+ smaller battery startups that probably resemble what A123 was like 5-7 years ago more than A123 does today.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s hope that the next round has some scraps for the smaller companies that will die without it.  There were probably 50 startups that burned limited resources applying for this program only to see handouts given to big companies that had already failed to see and act on the opportunity in this space.  Any startup that can raise matching VC funds and has a solid technology should have a shot.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sakti3 and A123 are not comparable.  A123 has been around for 7 years and has gotten several hundred million dollars in backing.  They have 1,600 employees, have raised hundreds of millions of dollars and are the #1 supplier of Li Phosphate in N. America.  A123 is not a small company anymore, they are competing with conglomerates with battery divisions that are probably roughly the same size as A123.</p>
<p>However, their iron phosphate battery technology is not all that great.  GM went with a Manganese Spinel.  Nissan went with a Manganese Spinel for the recently announced Leaf.</p>
<p>A123 is not a small fish in the world of high-power batteries.  It&#8217;s amazing that two major Nickel-Cobalt plays got funded.  They are way too expensive and unsafe to make it into more than a few thousand experimental cars.</p>
<p>All of these players are a decent start but none of them have a battery that will enable real penetration of EV&#8217;s.  Hopefully the government will fund some next generation battery companies at some point to create a true competitive advantage in the U.S.  Subisidizing factories with technologies that can&#8217;t compete on their own is a 3rd world economic strategy that midwesterners should be insulted by if there is no support of technological innovation to back it up.  Help us start up a midwestern version of Silicon Valley or MIT.  Going head to head with Asian companies with no technological differentiation (or maybe worse in this case) is totally pointless.  Used battery manufacturing equipment will be really cheap in Michigan in five years if more progress on the technology is not made.</p>
<p>The most ironic part of Biden&#8217;s speech was when he closed by saying that A123 was founded with a small grant from DOE, and then he proceeded to hand out hundreds of millions to large companies.  Meanwhile, zero money went to the 20+ smaller battery startups that probably resemble what A123 was like 5-7 years ago more than A123 does today.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope that the next round has some scraps for the smaller companies that will die without it.  There were probably 50 startups that burned limited resources applying for this program only to see handouts given to big companies that had already failed to see and act on the opportunity in this space.  Any startup that can raise matching VC funds and has a solid technology should have a shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Eideard</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eideard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;And they&#039;re still up-to-date with the paperwork for an IPO in 3Q or 4Q, this year.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they&#8217;re still up-to-date with the paperwork for an IPO in 3Q or 4Q, this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Ink: Clunkers Gets Fresh Legs - Environmental Capital - WSJ</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tipping-point-a123systems-road-to-the-battery-slam-dunk/#comment-25570</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Green Ink: Clunkers Gets Fresh Legs - Environmental Capital - WSJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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