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	<title>Comments on: Tesla&#039;s Ze&#039;ev on CARB&#039;s &quot;Misguided&quot; ZEV Mandate</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/teslas-zeev-on-carbs-misguided-zev-mandate/#comment-503883</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love these comments about CARB surrendering to &quot;Big Oil&quot;.  That&#039;ll be the day!  CARB doesn&#039;t listen to anybody, nor are they accountable to anybody.  They are not elected.  That&#039;s why we have such goofy requirements from them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love these comments about CARB surrendering to &#8220;Big Oil&#8221;.  That&#8217;ll be the day!  CARB doesn&#8217;t listen to anybody, nor are they accountable to anybody.  They are not elected.  That&#8217;s why we have such goofy requirements from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Korthof</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/teslas-zeev-on-carbs-misguided-zev-mandate/#comment-14878</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Korthof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Today is the last day to &quot;comment&quot; on CARB&#039;s failed, spineless surrender to Big Oil and GM.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Obviously, Electric cars (ZEV) are possible; we&#039;re driving hundreds of Toyota RAV4-EV all-electric plug-in cars, last sold in Nov., 2002 and the ONLY modern Electric car ever offered for sale.  Over 100 miles range, long-lasting batteries, Toyota now says they made a mistake by building it &quot;too well&quot;, and that they would like to crush it (private conversation with Toyota manager, Aug. 13, 2008).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But it wasn&#039;t sold on a free or fair market!  Because Chevron had by then purchased control of the NiMH patent rights from GM, and sued Toyota, so the program was really dead at that point. All Toyota had were a few hundred RAV4-EV left, when they were gone, that&#039;s all there were. Toyota cannot even make the battery any more, at least not until Chevron&#039;s patents expire.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chevron bought control of NiMH on Oct. 10, 2000, when the former Texaco acquired that control from ... General Motors.  Six days later, on Oct. 16, 2000, Texaco announced iit was merging, with the NiMH battery patents, into Chevron (Standard Oil of California).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those are the FACTS.  GM and Standard Oil colluded to kill the RAV4-EV and the only proven battery, NiMH, that lasts longer than the life of the car.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;CARB sucked up to Big Oil and surrendered cravenly to the Auto Alliance.  Dan Sperling, the fuel cell goofball, led the pack of fools that killed the Electric car all over again on Mar. 28, 2008.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is the last day to &#8220;comment&#8221; on CARB&#8217;s failed, spineless surrender to Big Oil and GM.</p>
<p>Obviously, Electric cars (ZEV) are possible; we&#8217;re driving hundreds of Toyota RAV4-EV all-electric plug-in cars, last sold in Nov., 2002 and the ONLY modern Electric car ever offered for sale.  Over 100 miles range, long-lasting batteries, Toyota now says they made a mistake by building it &#8220;too well&#8221;, and that they would like to crush it (private conversation with Toyota manager, Aug. 13, 2008).</p>
<p>But it wasn&#8217;t sold on a free or fair market!  Because Chevron had by then purchased control of the NiMH patent rights from GM, and sued Toyota, so the program was really dead at that point. All Toyota had were a few hundred RAV4-EV left, when they were gone, that&#8217;s all there were. Toyota cannot even make the battery any more, at least not until Chevron&#8217;s patents expire.</p>
<p>Chevron bought control of NiMH on Oct. 10, 2000, when the former Texaco acquired that control from &#8230; General Motors.  Six days later, on Oct. 16, 2000, Texaco announced iit was merging, with the NiMH battery patents, into Chevron (Standard Oil of California).</p>
<p>Those are the FACTS.  GM and Standard Oil colluded to kill the RAV4-EV and the only proven battery, NiMH, that lasts longer than the life of the car.</p>
<p>CARB sucked up to Big Oil and surrendered cravenly to the Auto Alliance.  Dan Sperling, the fuel cell goofball, led the pack of fools that killed the Electric car all over again on Mar. 28, 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: evlife</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/teslas-zeev-on-carbs-misguided-zev-mandate/#comment-14877</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evlife]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Check out these awesome electric cars&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_laBPi9wbA&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out these awesome electric cars</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_laBPi9wbA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_laBPi9wbA</a></p>
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		<title>By: CARB Mandate open for comment - Tesla Motors Club Forum</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/teslas-zeev-on-carbs-misguided-zev-mandate/#comment-14876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CARB Mandate open for comment - Tesla Motors Club Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] Tesla&#8217;s Ze&#8217;ev on CARB&#8217;s &#8220;Misguided&#8221; ZEV Mandate Earth2Tech [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tesla&#8217;s Ze&#8217;ev on CARB&#8217;s &#8220;Misguided&#8221; ZEV Mandate Earth2Tech [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/teslas-zeev-on-carbs-misguided-zev-mandate/#comment-14875</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The article uses ZEV to mean &quot;Zero Emissions Vehicle&quot;.  &quot;EV&quot; by itself doesn&#039;t make sense.  ZEV&#039;s can be battery+electrically based like Tesla&#039;s design, but Hydrogen-powered vehicles are also considered &quot;ZEV&quot; (since their &quot;emissions&quot; are water).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If recent developments in home-hydrogen production from electricity using a catalyst are practical -- you might keep your car topped off via a home generator and &quot;gas stations&quot; would only be used for longer trips.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article uses ZEV to mean &#8220;Zero Emissions Vehicle&#8221;.  &#8220;EV&#8221; by itself doesn&#8217;t make sense.  ZEV&#8217;s can be battery+electrically based like Tesla&#8217;s design, but Hydrogen-powered vehicles are also considered &#8220;ZEV&#8221; (since their &#8220;emissions&#8221; are water).</p>
<p>If recent developments in home-hydrogen production from electricity using a catalyst are practical &#8212; you might keep your car topped off via a home generator and &#8220;gas stations&#8221; would only be used for longer trips.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/teslas-zeev-on-carbs-misguided-zev-mandate/#comment-14874</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m no fan of CARB (especially the Judas of EVs, Alan Lloyd) but perhaps a strongly worded letter should have been written to Tesla as well:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Pure EV technology is wildly expensive compared with a comprehensive design based on PHEV technology.  Barring some miraculous improvements in battery technology, the pure EV will never be a cost effective strategy for consumers and their present performance needs.  Most of your batteries are not used on a day-to-day basis, and when a long trip IS required, your strategy falls off a cliff after 250 miles or so.  A PHEV strategy is less expensive (even with the use of 100% biofuels) and allows for unlimited range.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no fan of CARB (especially the Judas of EVs, Alan Lloyd) but perhaps a strongly worded letter should have been written to Tesla as well:</p>
<p>&#8220;Pure EV technology is wildly expensive compared with a comprehensive design based on PHEV technology.  Barring some miraculous improvements in battery technology, the pure EV will never be a cost effective strategy for consumers and their present performance needs.  Most of your batteries are not used on a day-to-day basis, and when a long trip IS required, your strategy falls off a cliff after 250 miles or so.  A PHEV strategy is less expensive (even with the use of 100% biofuels) and allows for unlimited range.&#8221;</p>
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