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	<title>Comments on: Why Meter Giants Cried Foul at the Stimulus Bill&#039;s Smart Grid Standards</title>
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		<title>By: SiliconANGLE &#8212; Blog &#8212; CleanTech Blunders: PG&#38;E’s Smart Meters</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19768</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SiliconANGLE &#8212; Blog &#8212; CleanTech Blunders: PG&#38;E’s Smart Meters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] has been a controversial provision in the Stimulus bill passed this year that requires utility companies using stimulus dollars – taxpayer money – to [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Can Smart Meters Succeed on Closed Standards?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19767</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can Smart Meters Succeed on Closed Standards?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Can Smart Meters Succeed on Closed Standards? &#124; Venture Chronicles</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can Smart Meters Succeed on Closed Standards? &#124; Venture Chronicles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Itron: Utilities Aren&#8217;t Spending on Smart Meters</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Itron: Utilities Aren&#8217;t Spending on Smart Meters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] said utilities are also balking at smart-grid spending as they work out questions such as open standards and security issues. And the criteria for stimulus spending still hasn’t been finalized. It all [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] said utilities are also balking at smart-grid spending as they work out questions such as open standards and security issues. And the criteria for stimulus spending still hasn’t been finalized. It all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19764</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;See http://www.cringely.com/2009/02/power-to-the-people/
Google wants power companies to put in fiber for meter reading and sell the excess bandwidth to the homeowner and/or ISP. Since many people are abandoning landlines and yes, even traditional TV, this seems the smart way to go.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://www.cringely.com/2009/02/power-to-the-people/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cringely.com/2009/02/power-to-the-people/</a><br />
Google wants power companies to put in fiber for meter reading and sell the excess bandwidth to the homeowner and/or ISP. Since many people are abandoning landlines and yes, even traditional TV, this seems the smart way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Taco de Vries</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taco de Vries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Who says you need any kind of network SPN wants you to buy, there is plenty of comm network already out there... I fail to see the business case to buy their comm network. I would rather use what is already out there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Plus it seems to me the business case for AMI remains rather weak, see here http://www.sce.com/NR/rdonlyres/6DC13EB1-0AFA-40A8-B9E3-93546F24015C/0/081114_A0707026Final_Decision.pdf
on a 2Bn investment the return in 20 years is a meager 9MM&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do agree with one thing, IP is the way to go, and Chu knows it it will happen&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who says you need any kind of network SPN wants you to buy, there is plenty of comm network already out there&#8230; I fail to see the business case to buy their comm network. I would rather use what is already out there.</p>
<p>Plus it seems to me the business case for AMI remains rather weak, see here <a href="http://www.sce.com/NR/rdonlyres/6DC13EB1-0AFA-40A8-B9E3-93546F24015C/0/081114_A0707026Final_Decision.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sce.com/NR/rdonlyres/6DC13EB1-0AFA-40A8-B9E3-93546F24015C/0/081114_A0707026Final_Decision.pdf</a><br />
on a 2Bn investment the return in 20 years is a meager 9MM</p>
<p>I do agree with one thing, IP is the way to go, and Chu knows it it will happen</p>
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		<title>By: How Google&#8217;s PowerMeter Will Affect the Smart Meter Industry &#171; Earth2Tech</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How Google&#8217;s PowerMeter Will Affect the Smart Meter Industry &#171; Earth2Tech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] meter companies like Itron, Landis+Gyr, Elster and Aclara (part of ESCO Technologies) have already expressed concern over language in the stimulus bill that emphasizes Internet protocol for the smart [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] meter companies like Itron, Landis+Gyr, Elster and Aclara (part of ESCO Technologies) have already expressed concern over language in the stimulus bill that emphasizes Internet protocol for the smart [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bell</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Bell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The utility meters do not need to be IP enabled to make the grid smart.  It drives up cost and adds minor value.  The issue of interoperability has less to do with IP and more to do with stadards over what is communicated (15 min interval data, power factor, etc).  This is the big issue being worked with HAN.  It is worriesome that the bill includes the requirement and suspect that Gore&#039;s fingers are all over this - effecting the legislation and beneifiting thorugh his stock in Silversprings via Kleiner.  The Green equivelant of Cheney and KBR.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The utility meters do not need to be IP enabled to make the grid smart.  It drives up cost and adds minor value.  The issue of interoperability has less to do with IP and more to do with stadards over what is communicated (15 min interval data, power factor, etc).  This is the big issue being worked with HAN.  It is worriesome that the bill includes the requirement and suspect that Gore&#8217;s fingers are all over this &#8211; effecting the legislation and beneifiting thorugh his stock in Silversprings via Kleiner.  The Green equivelant of Cheney and KBR.</p>
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		<title>By: WSN Buzz &#187; Why Meter Giants Cried Foul at the Stimulus Bill’s Smart Grid Standards</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WSN Buzz &#187; Why Meter Giants Cried Foul at the Stimulus Bill’s Smart Grid Standards]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] More here. [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Troy Benjegerdes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19759</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Troy Benjegerdes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Stephen Paul.. Please point me to the download site for the Advanced Metering Infrastructure open source reference implementation. Oh wait, there isn&#039;t one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can you at least point me to documentation so I could at least have the computer I&#039;m writing this on talk to my smart meter?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It took me less than a week to set up http://grid.coop/lmp.html and write the code for it, and now my server responds to 5-minute LMP pricing.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Paul.. Please point me to the download site for the Advanced Metering Infrastructure open source reference implementation. Oh wait, there isn&#8217;t one.</p>
<p>Can you at least point me to documentation so I could at least have the computer I&#8217;m writing this on talk to my smart meter?</p>
<p>It took me less than a week to set up <a href="http://grid.coop/lmp.html" rel="nofollow">http://grid.coop/lmp.html</a> and write the code for it, and now my server responds to 5-minute LMP pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: Economic Stimulus Package: Will Obama Push for a Smart Grid? : Red, Green, and Blue</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19758</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Economic Stimulus Package: Will Obama Push for a Smart Grid? : Red, Green, and Blue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] some traditional electric meter companies are crying foul over standards language in the Senate stimulus package, companies like GE are embracing the push [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19757</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Couple of things.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First, don&#039;t  believe for a second that there&#039;s a member of congress, or anyone in the White House above a mid-level staffer, who has the slightest idea what IP is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Second, you&#039;re not going to be able to produce reasonable analysis unless you stop buying your own propaganda about how big, old, non-innovative companies have been surviving strictly on the largess of congenial politicians for years and it&#039;s time to give the smaller innovators a shot.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just as the vast majority of alternative energy research has historically been done by big energy companies, including big oil, it is also the case that most of the smart-grid research has been done by the stalwarts, which have put many billions of dollars into R&amp;D of technology that in many cases relies on open but not IP standards that they developed for the particular task at hand.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now it may or may not be the case that IP is a better way to go.  Whatever benefits are to be had by using a standard optimized for transmission over power lines may or may not trump the maturity and industry support of IP.  But that&#039;s not the point.  The point is that it is not for the government to decide whether IP or some other technology is the way to go, particularly when the decision was made by someone who doesn&#039;t know what IP is, or how it works, and only stuck it into the bill because some lobbyist whispered the term in their ear.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The completely understandable objection of the smart-grid industry is that the government is trying, in the stroke of a pen, to render many years, and billions of dollars, worth of R&amp;D investment worthless, and almost certainly without meaning to do so.  This would be akin to the FHA passing a rule, in 2011 or 2012 as the Chevy Volt is about to hit the road, saying that the only electrically propelled vehicles are prohibited on US roadways are those employing Hybrid Synergy Drive; or the IRS declaring that taxes may only be filed online by people using a GMail address.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Suppose the government passed a law saying that the product or service that it is your job to provide is illegal except when it&#039;s provided by your biggest competitor.  You&#039;re employer wouldn&#039;t be very happy, and I bet neither would you.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of things.</p>
<p>First, don&#8217;t  believe for a second that there&#8217;s a member of congress, or anyone in the White House above a mid-level staffer, who has the slightest idea what IP is.</p>
<p>Second, you&#8217;re not going to be able to produce reasonable analysis unless you stop buying your own propaganda about how big, old, non-innovative companies have been surviving strictly on the largess of congenial politicians for years and it&#8217;s time to give the smaller innovators a shot.</p>
<p>Just as the vast majority of alternative energy research has historically been done by big energy companies, including big oil, it is also the case that most of the smart-grid research has been done by the stalwarts, which have put many billions of dollars into R&amp;D of technology that in many cases relies on open but not IP standards that they developed for the particular task at hand.</p>
<p>Now it may or may not be the case that IP is a better way to go.  Whatever benefits are to be had by using a standard optimized for transmission over power lines may or may not trump the maturity and industry support of IP.  But that&#8217;s not the point.  The point is that it is not for the government to decide whether IP or some other technology is the way to go, particularly when the decision was made by someone who doesn&#8217;t know what IP is, or how it works, and only stuck it into the bill because some lobbyist whispered the term in their ear.</p>
<p>The completely understandable objection of the smart-grid industry is that the government is trying, in the stroke of a pen, to render many years, and billions of dollars, worth of R&amp;D investment worthless, and almost certainly without meaning to do so.  This would be akin to the FHA passing a rule, in 2011 or 2012 as the Chevy Volt is about to hit the road, saying that the only electrically propelled vehicles are prohibited on US roadways are those employing Hybrid Synergy Drive; or the IRS declaring that taxes may only be filed online by people using a GMail address.</p>
<p>Suppose the government passed a law saying that the product or service that it is your job to provide is illegal except when it&#8217;s provided by your biggest competitor.  You&#8217;re employer wouldn&#8217;t be very happy, and I bet neither would you.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Paul</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Paul, your comment (or tirade) seems to be directed at electric utilities. Perhaps you are unaware that those utilities began innovating with Automated Metering Reading (AMR) nearly two decades ago, and began innovating with Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI) almost a decade ago. It is the rest of the nation, indeed the world, that is only now catching up with innovative, forward thinking utilities.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, your comment (or tirade) seems to be directed at electric utilities. Perhaps you are unaware that those utilities began innovating with Automated Metering Reading (AMR) nearly two decades ago, and began innovating with Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI) almost a decade ago. It is the rest of the nation, indeed the world, that is only now catching up with innovative, forward thinking utilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19755</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;This Washington lobbying by lazy industry is tiring! It&#039;s 2009, the Internet has been in full swing for 2 decades yet there are still humans walking streets with &quot;meter reader&quot; on their backs.
It&#039;s as bad as Detroit... lazy industry who haven&#039;t innovated in 50 years only start bitching when the market finally forces them to DO SOMETHING NEW.
The sad part is their cronies in DC often side with them resulting in the entire nation stagnating in the dark ages.
Get with the program guys, reality is knocking on your door.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Washington lobbying by lazy industry is tiring! It&#8217;s 2009, the Internet has been in full swing for 2 decades yet there are still humans walking streets with &#8220;meter reader&#8221; on their backs.<br />
It&#8217;s as bad as Detroit&#8230; lazy industry who haven&#8217;t innovated in 50 years only start bitching when the market finally forces them to DO SOMETHING NEW.<br />
The sad part is their cronies in DC often side with them resulting in the entire nation stagnating in the dark ages.<br />
Get with the program guys, reality is knocking on your door.</p>
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		<title>By: Environmental Capital - WSJ.com : Green Ink: What Are We Stimulating, Exactly?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/metering-giants-swipe-at-stimulus-bills-smart-grid-standards/#comment-19754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Environmental Capital - WSJ.com : Green Ink: What Are We Stimulating, Exactly?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] over just what kind of technology standard should underpin the smart grid, at Greentech Media and Earth2Tech.      Permalink  &#124; Trackback URL: [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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