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	<title>Comments on: California Fights EPA, Silicon Valley Aims At Detroit</title>
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		<title>By: dave casino</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/california-gets-state-support-to-fight-epa/#comment-8111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave casino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;what have you guys done except rant on these posts? think about it, at least Eberhard is actually building something that is creating public awareness and also pushing the technological envelope for plug-ins and affordable electric vehicles. I don&#039;t doubt that you guys care about the future of this planet, I&#039;m just saying why not use that angry energy more constructively.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what have you guys done except rant on these posts? think about it, at least Eberhard is actually building something that is creating public awareness and also pushing the technological envelope for plug-ins and affordable electric vehicles. I don&#8217;t doubt that you guys care about the future of this planet, I&#8217;m just saying why not use that angry energy more constructively.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim canyon</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/california-gets-state-support-to-fight-epa/#comment-8110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim canyon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The only real effect of this attempt to reduce emissions by forcing drivers into telephone booth automobiles will be to destroy the market for new cars. No one who wants a truck or SUV will let go of what they have. Perhaps, maybe just once, California miight actually think ahead of the effects that their
silly laws will have before they pass them. So far, California hasn&#039;t acccomplished squat with their stupid  obsolete windmills and solar roofs.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only real effect of this attempt to reduce emissions by forcing drivers into telephone booth automobiles will be to destroy the market for new cars. No one who wants a truck or SUV will let go of what they have. Perhaps, maybe just once, California miight actually think ahead of the effects that their<br />
silly laws will have before they pass them. So far, California hasn&#8217;t acccomplished squat with their stupid  obsolete windmills and solar roofs.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas C.Gray</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/california-gets-state-support-to-fight-epa/#comment-8109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas C.Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Only Californians are dumb enough to believe that
moving the cost of batteries from a 6 year auto loan to a 5 year lease agreement actually solves any of the economic problems of owning an all-electric car. Sorry, gooofballs, but battery economics cannot be
changed by moving money from one pocket to another, nor is Agassi&#039;s scheme of swapping battery packs any solution to the lack of range. The real world is headed for plug-in hybrids, the only technology that economically and physically makes any sense in the move to electrify transportation.
All-electrics, like the Tesla, billed by their braindead Silicon Valley millionaire orginator as the answer to why no one ever wanted to either build or own an electric since the days of the Waverly in pre WWI
days, are finding the going tough. After criticizing Detroit as not hip, Eberhard had found out the hard way that he doesn&#039;t know very much about building automobiles, electric or otherwise, and has had to eat crow and hire former Detroit auto execs to save his car from the junk heap of history. Unfortunately for Eberhard and Tesla, Fisker , of BMW, Rolls Royce and Astom Matin fame, has created a plug-in 2 plus 2
that not only looks a whole lot better than the Tesla, costs a lot less to buy because it doesn&#039;t contain the $30,000 battery pack the Tesla does, and avoids Tesla&#039;s 5 year $30K battery replacement costs, and
can actually carry its drivers past the state line and back again, is about ready to destroy Tesla&#039;s small
market of millionaire buddies of Eberhard.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only Californians are dumb enough to believe that<br />
moving the cost of batteries from a 6 year auto loan to a 5 year lease agreement actually solves any of the economic problems of owning an all-electric car. Sorry, gooofballs, but battery economics cannot be<br />
changed by moving money from one pocket to another, nor is Agassi&#8217;s scheme of swapping battery packs any solution to the lack of range. The real world is headed for plug-in hybrids, the only technology that economically and physically makes any sense in the move to electrify transportation.<br />
All-electrics, like the Tesla, billed by their braindead Silicon Valley millionaire orginator as the answer to why no one ever wanted to either build or own an electric since the days of the Waverly in pre WWI<br />
days, are finding the going tough. After criticizing Detroit as not hip, Eberhard had found out the hard way that he doesn&#8217;t know very much about building automobiles, electric or otherwise, and has had to eat crow and hire former Detroit auto execs to save his car from the junk heap of history. Unfortunately for Eberhard and Tesla, Fisker , of BMW, Rolls Royce and Astom Matin fame, has created a plug-in 2 plus 2<br />
that not only looks a whole lot better than the Tesla, costs a lot less to buy because it doesn&#8217;t contain the $30,000 battery pack the Tesla does, and avoids Tesla&#8217;s 5 year $30K battery replacement costs, and<br />
can actually carry its drivers past the state line and back again, is about ready to destroy Tesla&#8217;s small<br />
market of millionaire buddies of Eberhard.</p>
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		<title>By: kent beuchert</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/california-gets-state-support-to-fight-epa/#comment-8108</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I note that California is to blame for their elevated
carbon levels, not the Federal government, who they conveniently are trying to blame. If stupid california had not blocked nuclear power for the past 30 years and spewed billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere from their substituted coal plants, the state wouldn&#039;t be producing 650 pounds of carbon per megawatt hour and would have no carbon emission problems. Look at Vermont, which has 72% nuclear power and note that they produce less than 5 pounds (!!!) of carbon per megawatt hour.
California, the land of illusion and cinematic historical lies, lies and more lies. Only California is to blame for California&#039;s  emission problems , and errecting exorbitantly expensive windmills and solar photovoltaic roofs has done virtually nothing to reduce carbon levels. It has only raped California consumers and taxpayers. Oh, if only California had a brain.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that California is to blame for their elevated<br />
carbon levels, not the Federal government, who they conveniently are trying to blame. If stupid california had not blocked nuclear power for the past 30 years and spewed billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere from their substituted coal plants, the state wouldn&#8217;t be producing 650 pounds of carbon per megawatt hour and would have no carbon emission problems. Look at Vermont, which has 72% nuclear power and note that they produce less than 5 pounds (!!!) of carbon per megawatt hour.<br />
California, the land of illusion and cinematic historical lies, lies and more lies. Only California is to blame for California&#8217;s  emission problems , and errecting exorbitantly expensive windmills and solar photovoltaic roofs has done virtually nothing to reduce carbon levels. It has only raped California consumers and taxpayers. Oh, if only California had a brain.</p>
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