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		<title>By: Californians Reject Energy Props, Could Get High Speed Rail &#171; Earth2Tech</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] Californians Reject Energy Props, Could Get High Speed&#160;Rail Written by Craig Rubens   No Comments Posted November 5th, 2008 at 11:29 am in Hitlines,Policy     Election results are still pouring in all around the country, and while the cleantech community is surely celebrating the new president elect, sorting out the results of California&#8217;s propositions is not as cut and dried. Californian&#8217;s have rejected Propositions 7 and 10, which would have increased renewable energy targets and given incentives for alternative fuel vehicles, respectively. Meanwhile, the prospect of a high-speed train is getting stronger, as prop 1A leads with more results still coming in. Here&#8217;s a break down on the election results for the propositions we profiled in our voter&#8217;s guide. [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Californians Reject Energy Props, Could Get High Speed&nbsp;Rail Written by Craig Rubens   No Comments Posted November 5th, 2008 at 11:29 am in Hitlines,Policy     Election results are still pouring in all around the country, and while the cleantech community is surely celebrating the new president elect, sorting out the results of California&#8217;s propositions is not as cut and dried. Californian&#8217;s have rejected Propositions 7 and 10, which would have increased renewable energy targets and given incentives for alternative fuel vehicles, respectively. Meanwhile, the prospect of a high-speed train is getting stronger, as prop 1A leads with more results still coming in. Here&#8217;s a break down on the election results for the propositions we profiled in our voter&#8217;s guide. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Earth2Tech Energizes the Vote!</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/a-voters-guide-to-californias-cleantech-propositions/#comment-16895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Earth2Tech Energizes the Vote!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: agit8</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/a-voters-guide-to-californias-cleantech-propositions/#comment-16894</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[agit8]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;NO ON 10. League of Conservation Voters, Sierra Club, Union of Concerned Scientists, Natural Resources Defense Council and Environment California all oppose Prop 10. Why? It&#039;s squanders $10 billion to steer us away from promising alternative fuel technology, onto a fossil fuel natural gas bridge to nowhere.
30 daily newspapers wrote editorials against Prop 10. Air Resources Board Chair Mary Nichols says vote No, and points out that NOTHING in PROP 10 stops interstate trucking companies from moving their trucks to another state after they collect the $50,000 handout. We pay, others get the benefit. T Boone Pickens, who has spent $17 million pushing Prop 10, operates natural gas fueling stations in many states. He makes out like a bandit, wherever the trucks are relocated. No on 10 - Don&#039;t cut our schools to make a Texas oil tycoon richer. visit: www.stopprop10.org&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO ON 10. League of Conservation Voters, Sierra Club, Union of Concerned Scientists, Natural Resources Defense Council and Environment California all oppose Prop 10. Why? It&#8217;s squanders $10 billion to steer us away from promising alternative fuel technology, onto a fossil fuel natural gas bridge to nowhere.<br />
30 daily newspapers wrote editorials against Prop 10. Air Resources Board Chair Mary Nichols says vote No, and points out that NOTHING in PROP 10 stops interstate trucking companies from moving their trucks to another state after they collect the $50,000 handout. We pay, others get the benefit. T Boone Pickens, who has spent $17 million pushing Prop 10, operates natural gas fueling stations in many states. He makes out like a bandit, wherever the trucks are relocated. No on 10 &#8211; Don&#8217;t cut our schools to make a Texas oil tycoon richer. visit: <a href="http://www.stopprop10.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopprop10.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Felix Kramer</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/a-voters-guide-to-californias-cleantech-propositions/#comment-16893</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Felix Kramer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Aside from the issues raised in the piece and partially disputed in the comments, it appears to me that 7 is poorly drafted and could be counterproductive in several ways; and 10 is a pretty transparent natural gas &quot;grab.&quot; Remember that &quot;Clean&quot; natural gas, while low in criteria emissions, is still a fossil fuel, and produces only 20-30% less CO2 than gasoline, and that liquid fuel engines are all far less efficient than electric motors.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A good place to get more information on these is at&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposition_7_(2008)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposition_10_(2008)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the issues raised in the piece and partially disputed in the comments, it appears to me that 7 is poorly drafted and could be counterproductive in several ways; and 10 is a pretty transparent natural gas &#8220;grab.&#8221; Remember that &#8220;Clean&#8221; natural gas, while low in criteria emissions, is still a fossil fuel, and produces only 20-30% less CO2 than gasoline, and that liquid fuel engines are all far less efficient than electric motors.</p>
<p>A good place to get more information on these is at</p>
<p><a href="http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposition_7_(2008)" rel="nofollow">http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposition_7_(2008)</a></p>
<p><a href="http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposition_10_(2008)" rel="nofollow">http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposition_10_(2008)</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Bryson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/a-voters-guide-to-californias-cleantech-propositions/#comment-16892</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Bryson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Although I really wish it could be done, I really don&#039;t see PROP 7 as being a viable pursuit in terms of funding at the moment. We all know just how shaky the present economic climate is now and the forecast for the next few years is very unlikely to be dramatically different.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I really wish it could be done, I really don&#8217;t see PROP 7 as being a viable pursuit in terms of funding at the moment. We all know just how shaky the present economic climate is now and the forecast for the next few years is very unlikely to be dramatically different.</p>
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		<title>By: Tam Hunt</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/a-voters-guide-to-californias-cleantech-propositions/#comment-16891</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tam Hunt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I agree that Prop 7 does not limit projects under 30 MW from counting toward renewable energy projects. I&#039;m an attorney and have many years of experience in CA energy law and policy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Prop 7 does create a fast track permitting process for renewables 30 MW and over. This is where the &quot;solar and clean energy plant&quot; definition occurs. This definition does not, however, apply to eligibility for renewable portfolio standards, as many opponents mistakenly claim.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The mistake arises because many of those reading Prop 7 don&#039;t realize that the fast track permitting process definition does not apply to the earlier part of Prop 7 that makes changes to the Renewable Portfolio Standard (part of the Public Utilities Code).  Definitions from one Code will never be applied to another Code unless those definitions are explicitly referenced. This is not the case with Prop 7.  Ergo: Prop 7 makes no change to existing eligibility rules - other than the aforementioned fast track permitting process.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Prop 7 does not limit projects under 30 MW from counting toward renewable energy projects. I&#8217;m an attorney and have many years of experience in CA energy law and policy.</p>
<p>Prop 7 does create a fast track permitting process for renewables 30 MW and over. This is where the &#8220;solar and clean energy plant&#8221; definition occurs. This definition does not, however, apply to eligibility for renewable portfolio standards, as many opponents mistakenly claim.</p>
<p>The mistake arises because many of those reading Prop 7 don&#8217;t realize that the fast track permitting process definition does not apply to the earlier part of Prop 7 that makes changes to the Renewable Portfolio Standard (part of the Public Utilities Code).  Definitions from one Code will never be applied to another Code unless those definitions are explicitly referenced. This is not the case with Prop 7.  Ergo: Prop 7 makes no change to existing eligibility rules &#8211; other than the aforementioned fast track permitting process.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Fong</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/a-voters-guide-to-californias-cleantech-propositions/#comment-16890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Fong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;sorry, the actual text of Prop 7, section 14 didn&#039;t post for some reason.  This is it:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Section 25137 of the Public Resources Code is added to read as follows:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“Solar and clean energy plant” means any electrical generating facility using wind, solar photovoltaic, solar thermal, biomass, biogas, geothermal, fuel cells using renewable fuels, digester gas, municipal solid waste conversion, landfill gas, ocean wave, ocean thermal, or tidal current technologies, with a generating capacity of 30 megawatts or more, or small hydroelectric generation of 30 megawatts or less, and any facilities appurtenant thereto.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, the actual text of Prop 7, section 14 didn&#8217;t post for some reason.  This is it:</p>
<p>Section 25137 of the Public Resources Code is added to read as follows:</p>
<p>“Solar and clean energy plant” means any electrical generating facility using wind, solar photovoltaic, solar thermal, biomass, biogas, geothermal, fuel cells using renewable fuels, digester gas, municipal solid waste conversion, landfill gas, ocean wave, ocean thermal, or tidal current technologies, with a generating capacity of 30 megawatts or more, or small hydroelectric generation of 30 megawatts or less, and any facilities appurtenant thereto.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Fong</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/a-voters-guide-to-californias-cleantech-propositions/#comment-16889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Fong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;.  The actual text from Proposition 7, section 14, page 24 is as follows:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Stay with me here, the language is no doubt complicated and is easily pliable to make the argument that it will devastate small providers.  The important things to note within this block of text are:
1.  Section 25137
2.  The association of megawatt size with tidal current and small hydroelectric technologies only.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, starting with the most obvious, point two.  I admit the sentence structure of this definition is poorly crafted and is why there has been such misinformed opposition to Proposition 7.  Fortunately however, the authors’ intention is clear, verified both in court and in the entire context of the initiative and is given weight in any judicial proceeding that may arise over language.  This means the imprecision of this definition will be amended to accurately reflect the authors’ intention of including all sizes of renewable electrical generating facilities with the only exceptions being: tidal current technologies with a generating capacity of 30 megawatts or more AND small hydroelectric generation of 30 megawatts or less.  There is a distinction between small hydroelectric facilities and large hydroelectric facilities with only the former being considered a renewable resource.  This is due to the inherent destructive nature of hydroelectric facilities that produce more than 30 megawatts of electricity.  They divert too much water from its natural path, causing destruction of natural habitat and water shortages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now more importantly, section 25137 is not the section that sets the definition for what sources of renewable energy are eligible in the Renewable Portfolio Standard.  Section seven, page eight of the initiative text defines the terms used throughout the law.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;blockquote&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;“Section 399.12 of the Public Utilities Code is amended to read as follows:
    For the purpose of this article, the following terms have the following meanings:”
    (b) “Eligible renewable energy resource” means a solar and clean energy facility that meets the definition of “in-state renewable electricity generation facility” in Section 25741 of the Public Resources Code…” &lt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;

    &lt;p&gt;Section 25741 of the Public Resources Code reads as follows:
    (b) &quot;In-state renewable electricity generation facility&quot; means a facility that meets all of the following criteria:
       (1) The facility uses biomass, solar thermal, photovoltaic, wind, geothermal, fuel cells using renewable fuels, small hydroelectric generation of 30 megawatts or less, digester gas, municipal solid waste conversion, landfill gas, ocean wave, ocean thermal, or tidal, and any additions or enhancements to the facility using that technology. &lt;&lt;&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The definition continues to describe requirements about in-state location and distribution but never once makes a size distinction or limitation on which facilities qualify.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hopefully this helps clear things up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The links to those sections of code are below:
Section 399.12
http://law.onecle.com/california/utilities/399.12.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Section 25741
http://law.onecle.com/california/public-resources/25741.html&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.  The actual text from Proposition 7, section 14, page 24 is as follows:</p>
<p>&lt;&gt;</p>
<p>Stay with me here, the language is no doubt complicated and is easily pliable to make the argument that it will devastate small providers.  The important things to note within this block of text are:<br />
1.  Section 25137<br />
2.  The association of megawatt size with tidal current and small hydroelectric technologies only.</p>
<p>Now, starting with the most obvious, point two.  I admit the sentence structure of this definition is poorly crafted and is why there has been such misinformed opposition to Proposition 7.  Fortunately however, the authors’ intention is clear, verified both in court and in the entire context of the initiative and is given weight in any judicial proceeding that may arise over language.  This means the imprecision of this definition will be amended to accurately reflect the authors’ intention of including all sizes of renewable electrical generating facilities with the only exceptions being: tidal current technologies with a generating capacity of 30 megawatts or more AND small hydroelectric generation of 30 megawatts or less.  There is a distinction between small hydroelectric facilities and large hydroelectric facilities with only the former being considered a renewable resource.  This is due to the inherent destructive nature of hydroelectric facilities that produce more than 30 megawatts of electricity.  They divert too much water from its natural path, causing destruction of natural habitat and water shortages.</p>
<p>Now more importantly, section 25137 is not the section that sets the definition for what sources of renewable energy are eligible in the Renewable Portfolio Standard.  Section seven, page eight of the initiative text defines the terms used throughout the law.</p>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>“Section 399.12 of the Public Utilities Code is amended to read as follows:<br />
    For the purpose of this article, the following terms have the following meanings:”<br />
    (b) “Eligible renewable energy resource” means a solar and clean energy facility that meets the definition of “in-state renewable electricity generation facility” in Section 25741 of the Public Resources Code…” &lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Section 25741 of the Public Resources Code reads as follows:<br />
    (b) &#8220;In-state renewable electricity generation facility&#8221; means a facility that meets all of the following criteria:<br />
       (1) The facility uses biomass, solar thermal, photovoltaic, wind, geothermal, fuel cells using renewable fuels, small hydroelectric generation of 30 megawatts or less, digester gas, municipal solid waste conversion, landfill gas, ocean wave, ocean thermal, or tidal, and any additions or enhancements to the facility using that technology. &lt;&lt;</p>
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</blockquote>
<p>The definition continues to describe requirements about in-state location and distribution but never once makes a size distinction or limitation on which facilities qualify.</p>
<p>Hopefully this helps clear things up.</p>
<p>The links to those sections of code are below:<br />
Section 399.12<br />
<a href="http://law.onecle.com/california/utilities/399.12.html" rel="nofollow">http://law.onecle.com/california/utilities/399.12.html</a></p>
<p>Section 25741<br />
<a href="http://law.onecle.com/california/public-resources/25741.html" rel="nofollow">http://law.onecle.com/california/public-resources/25741.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Fong</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/a-voters-guide-to-californias-cleantech-propositions/#comment-16888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Fong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;This is a very complicated matter made worse by inaccurate reporting.  Please note that Proposition 7 does not exclude producers of under 30 megawatts from counting towards the RPS targets.  This has been a successful false claim by PG&amp;E, SoCal Edison, and Sempra to deter small providers, environmental organizations and voters from supporting it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;See these links:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-hunt24-2008sep24,0,1227938.story&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://confusedinsolarcalifornia.blogspot.com/search?q=enviros&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very complicated matter made worse by inaccurate reporting.  Please note that Proposition 7 does not exclude producers of under 30 megawatts from counting towards the RPS targets.  This has been a successful false claim by PG&amp;E, SoCal Edison, and Sempra to deter small providers, environmental organizations and voters from supporting it.</p>
<p>See these links:<br />
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-hunt24-2008sep24,0,1227938.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-hunt24-2008sep24,0,1227938.story</a></p>
<p><a href="http://confusedinsolarcalifornia.blogspot.com/search?q=enviros" rel="nofollow">http://confusedinsolarcalifornia.blogspot.com/search?q=enviros</a></p>
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