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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-reasons-wi-fi-will-take-a-back-seat-for-the-smart-grid/#comment-28312</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Katie, I believe you are correct in your assumption of Tropos and other firms like them.  I know of two communities that they were to provide wifi coverage that they backed out of.  These firms come in a try to create a market and when they get the utility to agree and help with some of the infrastructure, the city markets it to the people and when not enough people sign up, when the firms contract is up they leave and the city is left holding the bag.  The best thing a utility can do is buy the infrastructure themselves (inexpensive for the piece of mind) and maintain themselves.  Then there are no questions on using a intermediate firm to get your information.  Also there is product out there that is FCC single licensed for use by utilities so there is no interference.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katie, I believe you are correct in your assumption of Tropos and other firms like them.  I know of two communities that they were to provide wifi coverage that they backed out of.  These firms come in a try to create a market and when they get the utility to agree and help with some of the infrastructure, the city markets it to the people and when not enough people sign up, when the firms contract is up they leave and the city is left holding the bag.  The best thing a utility can do is buy the infrastructure themselves (inexpensive for the piece of mind) and maintain themselves.  Then there are no questions on using a intermediate firm to get your information.  Also there is product out there that is FCC single licensed for use by utilities so there is no interference.</p>
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		<title>By: 5 Reasons Wi-Fi Will Take a Back Seat for the Smart Grid&#160;&#124;&#160;SmartGrid Daily</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon Smirl</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-reasons-wi-fi-will-take-a-back-seat-for-the-smart-grid/#comment-28310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Smirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;802.15.4 (ZigBee) is not going to end up in a phone. 802.15.4 will end up in smart meters and light switches. 802.15.4 is too slow for data, it is designed for control networks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;$4.50 wifi modules are in 1M quantity. You also have to add a CPU to make the wifi modules work - they depend on the cell phone&#039;s CPU to do a lot of work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The 802.15.4 chips are self-contained - CPU, radio, ram, flash, etc. Add a PCB antenna, crystal and a power source and you&#039;re done. 802.15.4 would be under $3 at that quantity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wifi would displace 802.15.4 if cheaper solutions were available. Right now it&#039;s just too expensive to put it into every light switch. ZeroG wifi modules are a step in the right direction but they are still too expensive.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>802.15.4 (ZigBee) is not going to end up in a phone. 802.15.4 will end up in smart meters and light switches. 802.15.4 is too slow for data, it is designed for control networks.</p>
<p>$4.50 wifi modules are in 1M quantity. You also have to add a CPU to make the wifi modules work &#8211; they depend on the cell phone&#8217;s CPU to do a lot of work.</p>
<p>The 802.15.4 chips are self-contained &#8211; CPU, radio, ram, flash, etc. Add a PCB antenna, crystal and a power source and you&#8217;re done. 802.15.4 would be under $3 at that quantity.</p>
<p>Wifi would displace 802.15.4 if cheaper solutions were available. Right now it&#8217;s just too expensive to put it into every light switch. ZeroG wifi modules are a step in the right direction but they are still too expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Partha</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-reasons-wi-fi-will-take-a-back-seat-for-the-smart-grid/#comment-28309</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Partha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Hi&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is a problem with formatting in my earlier post. So, I&#039;m posting again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The cost projections on Wi-Fi vs Zigbee are wrong. Wi-Fi modules inside today’s mobile phones come for less than $4.5 (refer to teardowns e.g,. from isuppli)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Below is a comparison of Wi-Fi and Zigbee on various metrics that should be useful:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Technology Penetration into Home Products - 2009 (USA)
Wi-Fi: &gt;35% Zigbee: &lt;1%&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;“Number of Certified Products (2009 October)
Source: Wi-Fi Forum Website and Zigbee Forum Website”
Wi-Fi: 6356 Zigbee: &lt;30&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Band (most used)
Wi-Fi: 2.4-2.5GHz Zigbee: 2.4-2.5GHz&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Effective Bandwidth / Channel Spacing (most used)
Wi-Fi: 20MHz / 25MHz Zigbee: 3MHz / 5MHz&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tolerance of Interference:
Wi-Fi: Good. Wider-bandwidth Spreadspectrum Zigbee: Bad. Narrower-bandwidth Spreadspectrum&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tolerance of Multipath – RMS Delay spreads (Implementation dependent)
Wi-Fi: “150ns RMS @ 54Mbps, 500ns RMS @ 1Mbps” Zigbee: 500ns RMS @ 250kbps&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;MAC/PHY Security:
Wi-Fi: WPA/WPA2/CCX are Industry Tested Zigbee: MAC layer security Not available. Relies on Higher layer Security&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cost Of solutions:
Wi-Fi: Steadily reducing over years. Single-antenna, Zero-Host, Wi-Fi Chipsets are available today for ~$5 &amp; self-contained modules for ~$10 (including TCP/IP)
Zigbee: Not known&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;9: Number of Vendors
Wi-Fi: Many Zigbee: Few&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;10: Data-rate (Max/Typ/Min)
Wi-Fi (b/g): 54Mbps / 36Mbps / 1Mbps
Zigbee: 250kbps alone (Ref: 802.15.4-2006 Section 6.5)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;11: Receiver Sensitivity (at Max/Typ/Min data-rates) – Implementation dependent
Wi-Fi (54/36 and 1Mbps) -75dBm / -81dBm / -98dBm
Zigbee (250Kbps) -98dBm&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;12: Max Packet Length supported
Wi-Fi: 4KBytes (b/g), 64KBytes (n) Zigbee: 127 bytes&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;13: IP Layer can be directly ported over the MAC?
Wi-Fi: Yes Zigbee: Needs additional layer – 6LowPAN&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;14: Peak Rx Current @ 3.3V (min/max values for typical implementations in the market)
Wi-Fi: 100 – 200mA Zigbee: 60 – 100mA&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;15: Peak Tx Current @ 3.3V for 20dBm Tx Power (min/max values for typical implementations in the market)
Wi-Fi: 250 – 350mA Zigbee: 250 – 350mA&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;16: Shutdown current (min/max values for typical low-power implementations available today)
Wi-Fi: 1 – 5uA Zigbee: 1 – 5uA&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;17: Energy Efficiency of Reception @ highest datarate (using max values for current consumption)
Wi-Fi: 15nJ / bit Zigbee: 1320nJ/bit&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;18: Energy Efficiency of Reception @ lowest datarate (using max values for current consumption)
Wi-Fi: 825nJ / bit Zigbee: 1320nJ/bit&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;19: Does the PHY have error correction coding
Wi-Fi: Yes Zigbee: No&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;20: Certification for Peer to Peer Low-power operation available?
Wi-Fi: “Yes(Wi-Fi Direct)” Zigbee: Yes&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hope this is useful&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks
Partha&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>There is a problem with formatting in my earlier post. So, I&#8217;m posting again.</p>
<p>The cost projections on Wi-Fi vs Zigbee are wrong. Wi-Fi modules inside today’s mobile phones come for less than $4.5 (refer to teardowns e.g,. from isuppli)</p>
<p>Below is a comparison of Wi-Fi and Zigbee on various metrics that should be useful:</p>
<ol>
<li>
<p>Technology Penetration into Home Products &#8211; 2009 (USA)<br />
Wi-Fi: &gt;35% Zigbee: &lt;1%</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>“Number of Certified Products (2009 October)<br />
Source: Wi-Fi Forum Website and Zigbee Forum Website”<br />
Wi-Fi: 6356 Zigbee: &lt;30</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Band (most used)<br />
Wi-Fi: 2.4-2.5GHz Zigbee: 2.4-2.5GHz</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Effective Bandwidth / Channel Spacing (most used)<br />
Wi-Fi: 20MHz / 25MHz Zigbee: 3MHz / 5MHz</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Tolerance of Interference:<br />
Wi-Fi: Good. Wider-bandwidth Spreadspectrum Zigbee: Bad. Narrower-bandwidth Spreadspectrum</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Tolerance of Multipath – RMS Delay spreads (Implementation dependent)<br />
Wi-Fi: “150ns RMS @ 54Mbps, 500ns RMS @ 1Mbps” Zigbee: 500ns RMS @ 250kbps</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>MAC/PHY Security:<br />
Wi-Fi: WPA/WPA2/CCX are Industry Tested Zigbee: MAC layer security Not available. Relies on Higher layer Security</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Cost Of solutions:<br />
Wi-Fi: Steadily reducing over years. Single-antenna, Zero-Host, Wi-Fi Chipsets are available today for ~$5 &amp; self-contained modules for ~$10 (including TCP/IP)<br />
Zigbee: Not known</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>9: Number of Vendors<br />
Wi-Fi: Many Zigbee: Few</p>
<p>10: Data-rate (Max/Typ/Min)<br />
Wi-Fi (b/g): 54Mbps / 36Mbps / 1Mbps<br />
Zigbee: 250kbps alone (Ref: 802.15.4-2006 Section 6.5)</p>
<p>11: Receiver Sensitivity (at Max/Typ/Min data-rates) – Implementation dependent<br />
Wi-Fi (54/36 and 1Mbps) -75dBm / -81dBm / -98dBm<br />
Zigbee (250Kbps) -98dBm</p>
<p>12: Max Packet Length supported<br />
Wi-Fi: 4KBytes (b/g), 64KBytes (n) Zigbee: 127 bytes</p>
<p>13: IP Layer can be directly ported over the MAC?<br />
Wi-Fi: Yes Zigbee: Needs additional layer – 6LowPAN</p>
<p>14: Peak Rx Current @ 3.3V (min/max values for typical implementations in the market)<br />
Wi-Fi: 100 – 200mA Zigbee: 60 – 100mA</p>
<p>15: Peak Tx Current @ 3.3V for 20dBm Tx Power (min/max values for typical implementations in the market)<br />
Wi-Fi: 250 – 350mA Zigbee: 250 – 350mA</p>
<p>16: Shutdown current (min/max values for typical low-power implementations available today)<br />
Wi-Fi: 1 – 5uA Zigbee: 1 – 5uA</p>
<p>17: Energy Efficiency of Reception @ highest datarate (using max values for current consumption)<br />
Wi-Fi: 15nJ / bit Zigbee: 1320nJ/bit</p>
<p>18: Energy Efficiency of Reception @ lowest datarate (using max values for current consumption)<br />
Wi-Fi: 825nJ / bit Zigbee: 1320nJ/bit</p>
<p>19: Does the PHY have error correction coding<br />
Wi-Fi: Yes Zigbee: No</p>
<p>20: Certification for Peer to Peer Low-power operation available?<br />
Wi-Fi: “Yes(Wi-Fi Direct)” Zigbee: Yes</p>
<p>Hope this is useful</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Partha</p>
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		<title>By: Partha</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-reasons-wi-fi-will-take-a-back-seat-for-the-smart-grid/#comment-28308</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Partha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The cost projections on Wi-Fi vs Zigbee are wrong.
Wi-Fi modules inside today&#039;s mobile phones come for 35%    Zigbee: &lt;1%&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&quot;Number of Certified Products (2009 October)
Source: Wi-Fi Forum Website and Zigbee Forum Website&quot;
Wi-Fi: 6356 Zigbee: &lt;30&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Band (most used)
Wi-Fi: 2.4-2.5GHz Zigbee: 2.4-2.5GHz&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Effective Bandwidth / Channel Spacing (most used)
Wi-Fi: 20MHz / 25MHz Zigbee: 3MHz / 5MHz&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tolerance of Interference:
Wi-Fi: Good. Wider-bandwidth Spreadspectrum Zigbee: Bad. Narrower-bandwidth Spreadspectrum&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Tolerance of Multipath - RMS Delay spreads (Implementation dependent)
Wi-Fi: &quot;150ns RMS @ 54Mbps, 500ns RMS @ 1Mbps&quot;    Zigbee: 500ns RMS @ 250kbps&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;MAC/PHY Security:
Wi-Fi:  WPA/WPA2/CCX are Industry Tested    Zigbee: MAC layer security Not available. Relies on Higher layer Security&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Cost Of solutions:
Wi-Fi:  Steadily reducing over years. Single-antenna, Zero-Host, Wi-Fi Chipsets are available today for ~$5 &amp; self-contained modules for ~$10 (including TCP/IP)
Zigbee: Not known
10: Number of Vendors
Wi-Fi: Many Zigbee: Few
11: Data-rate (Max/Typ/Min)
Wi-Fi (b/g): 54Mbps / 36Mbps / 1Mbps
Zigbee: 250kbps alone (Ref: 802.15.4-2006 Section 6.5)
12: Receiver Sensitivity (at Max/Typ/Min data-rates) - Implementation dependent
Wi-Fi (54/36 and 1Mbps)  -75dBm / -81dBm / -98dBm
Zigbee (250Kbps) -98dBm
13: Max Packet Length supported
Wi-Fi:  4KBytes (b/g), 64KBytes (n) Zigbee: 127 bytes
14: IP Layer can be directly ported over the MAC?
Wi-Fi: Yes  Zigbee: Needs additional layer - 6LowPAN
15: Peak Rx Current @ 3.3V (min/max values for typical implementations in the market)
Wi-Fi: 100 - 200mA  Zigbee: 60 - 100mA
16: Peak Tx Current @ 3.3V for 20dBm Tx Power  (min/max values for typical implementations in the market)
Wi-Fi: 250 - 350mA  Zigbee: 250 - 350mA
17: Shutdown current  (min/max values for typical low-power implementations available today)
Wi-Fi: 1 - 5uA  Zigbee: 1 - 5uA
18: Energy Efficiency of Reception @ highest datarate (using max values for current consumption)
Wi-Fi: 15nJ / bit   Zigbee: 1320nJ/bit
19: Energy Efficiency of Reception @ lowest datarate (using max values for current consumption)
Wi-Fi: 825nJ / bit  Zigbee: 1320nJ/bit
20: Does the PHY have error correction coding
Wi-Fi: Yes  Zigbee: No
21: Certification for Peer to Peer Low-power operation available?
Wi-Fi: &quot;Yes(Wi-Fi Direct)&quot;    Zigbee: Yes&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cost projections on Wi-Fi vs Zigbee are wrong.<br />
Wi-Fi modules inside today&#8217;s mobile phones come for 35%    Zigbee: &lt;1%</p>
<li>&#8220;Number of Certified Products (2009 October)<br />
Source: Wi-Fi Forum Website and Zigbee Forum Website&#8221;<br />
Wi-Fi: 6356 Zigbee: &lt;30</li>
<li>Band (most used)<br />
Wi-Fi: 2.4-2.5GHz Zigbee: 2.4-2.5GHz</li>
<li>Effective Bandwidth / Channel Spacing (most used)<br />
Wi-Fi: 20MHz / 25MHz Zigbee: 3MHz / 5MHz</li>
<li>Tolerance of Interference:<br />
Wi-Fi: Good. Wider-bandwidth Spreadspectrum Zigbee: Bad. Narrower-bandwidth Spreadspectrum</li>
<li>Tolerance of Multipath &#8211; RMS Delay spreads (Implementation dependent)<br />
Wi-Fi: &#8220;150ns RMS @ 54Mbps, 500ns RMS @ 1Mbps&#8221;    Zigbee: 500ns RMS @ 250kbps</li>
<li>MAC/PHY Security:<br />
Wi-Fi:  WPA/WPA2/CCX are Industry Tested    Zigbee: MAC layer security Not available. Relies on Higher layer Security</li>
<li>Cost Of solutions:<br />
Wi-Fi:  Steadily reducing over years. Single-antenna, Zero-Host, Wi-Fi Chipsets are available today for ~$5 &amp; self-contained modules for ~$10 (including TCP/IP)<br />
Zigbee: Not known<br />
10: Number of Vendors<br />
Wi-Fi: Many Zigbee: Few<br />
11: Data-rate (Max/Typ/Min)<br />
Wi-Fi (b/g): 54Mbps / 36Mbps / 1Mbps<br />
Zigbee: 250kbps alone (Ref: 802.15.4-2006 Section 6.5)<br />
12: Receiver Sensitivity (at Max/Typ/Min data-rates) &#8211; Implementation dependent<br />
Wi-Fi (54/36 and 1Mbps)  -75dBm / -81dBm / -98dBm<br />
Zigbee (250Kbps) -98dBm<br />
13: Max Packet Length supported<br />
Wi-Fi:  4KBytes (b/g), 64KBytes (n) Zigbee: 127 bytes<br />
14: IP Layer can be directly ported over the MAC?<br />
Wi-Fi: Yes  Zigbee: Needs additional layer &#8211; 6LowPAN<br />
15: Peak Rx Current @ 3.3V (min/max values for typical implementations in the market)<br />
Wi-Fi: 100 &#8211; 200mA  Zigbee: 60 &#8211; 100mA<br />
16: Peak Tx Current @ 3.3V for 20dBm Tx Power  (min/max values for typical implementations in the market)<br />
Wi-Fi: 250 &#8211; 350mA  Zigbee: 250 &#8211; 350mA<br />
17: Shutdown current  (min/max values for typical low-power implementations available today)<br />
Wi-Fi: 1 &#8211; 5uA  Zigbee: 1 &#8211; 5uA<br />
18: Energy Efficiency of Reception @ highest datarate (using max values for current consumption)<br />
Wi-Fi: 15nJ / bit   Zigbee: 1320nJ/bit<br />
19: Energy Efficiency of Reception @ lowest datarate (using max values for current consumption)<br />
Wi-Fi: 825nJ / bit  Zigbee: 1320nJ/bit<br />
20: Does the PHY have error correction coding<br />
Wi-Fi: Yes  Zigbee: No<br />
21: Certification for Peer to Peer Low-power operation available?<br />
Wi-Fi: &#8220;Yes(Wi-Fi Direct)&#8221;    Zigbee: Yes</li></p>
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		<title>By: Wi-Fi Alliance: 7 Reasons Wi-Fi Will Succeed in the Smart Grid</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-reasons-wi-fi-will-take-a-back-seat-for-the-smart-grid/#comment-28307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wi-Fi Alliance: 7 Reasons Wi-Fi Will Succeed in the Smart Grid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Johannes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-reasons-wi-fi-will-take-a-back-seat-for-the-smart-grid/#comment-28306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johannes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Why not use the existing cable that has been laid down for the internet and hook it up to your electricity counter in your home?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not use the existing cable that has been laid down for the internet and hook it up to your electricity counter in your home?</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Fehrenbacher</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-reasons-wi-fi-will-take-a-back-seat-for-the-smart-grid/#comment-28305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katie Fehrenbacher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Thanks for all the comments and feedback guys. I&#039;d like to address a few things. First I wanted to reiterate the point of the article: I think WiFi will clearly play a role in both the home and the utility network space -- just that it will have a far lesser role than the WiFi Alliance and companies selling gear in the space would like people to believe, and other wireless standards will play a more important role.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To @Marty and @Ksenia, I agree that WiMAX and proprietary standards for WAN and zigbee for the home have their own set of issues.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To Denise from Tropos, I didn&#039;t mean to imply that Tropos &quot;abandoned selling its products to municipalities,&quot; just that the company is now heavily targeting the smart grid market, and muni WiFi was a term that was hot to use several years ago, but now isn&#039;t. I&#039;ll cross out &quot;former,&quot; as I can see how it is confusing. I&#039;d also like to add that from the perspective of watching the market for muni WiFi products boom and bust between about 2005 to 2007, I think the muni WiFi industry has clearly not reached the potential that many had expected. But yes, Im sure there is some business and revenue still being done in that area.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments and feedback guys. I&#8217;d like to address a few things. First I wanted to reiterate the point of the article: I think WiFi will clearly play a role in both the home and the utility network space &#8212; just that it will have a far lesser role than the WiFi Alliance and companies selling gear in the space would like people to believe, and other wireless standards will play a more important role.</p>
<p>To @Marty and @Ksenia, I agree that WiMAX and proprietary standards for WAN and zigbee for the home have their own set of issues.</p>
<p>To Denise from Tropos, I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that Tropos &#8220;abandoned selling its products to municipalities,&#8221; just that the company is now heavily targeting the smart grid market, and muni WiFi was a term that was hot to use several years ago, but now isn&#8217;t. I&#8217;ll cross out &#8220;former,&#8221; as I can see how it is confusing. I&#8217;d also like to add that from the perspective of watching the market for muni WiFi products boom and bust between about 2005 to 2007, I think the muni WiFi industry has clearly not reached the potential that many had expected. But yes, Im sure there is some business and revenue still being done in that area.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Barton</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-reasons-wi-fi-will-take-a-back-seat-for-the-smart-grid/#comment-28304</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denise Barton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;On behalf of Tropos, I’d like to address several discrepancies in this article.  First, the market for municipal wireless broadband networks is alive and well.  Tropos has more than 750 customers – primarily municipalities and utilities, successfully using our networks today for a wide range of applications that provide value within these communities.  In fact demand for broadband networks is continuing to grow, in part spurred by the ARRA and national broadband initiatives underway.  In your article, you state that Tropos has abandoned selling our products to municipalities – not the case!  We announced earlier this year that we have expanded our market focus to now include selling solutions for both Smart Grids and Smart Cities.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tropos has been selling products to municipal utilities for more than 5 years providing backhaul for smart meters (and several other smart grid applications such as power quality monitoring, outage management, SCADA, and substation security).  When I refer to smart meters, I’m including those used for water, gas and electric.  We estimate our networks are being used to read over 600,000 meters today with approximately 60% of those being AMI (two-way communications).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You cited interference as a major problem with Wi-Fi. While the criticism is valid for Wi-Fi generically, it frankly doesn&#039;t even make our top-five list of technical challenges due to technological advances we have made to our products.  Finally, we agree that security is an important consideration for networks supporting critical infrastructure, and Tropos sets itself apart from other Wi-Fi vendors with FIPS 140-2 certification and NERC CIP compliance and has implemented a multi-tiered security architecture to provide customers with the stringent security needs of critical infrastructure communications.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To learn more about Tropos’ Smart Grid and Smart City solutions, please visit www.tropos.com.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On behalf of Tropos, I’d like to address several discrepancies in this article.  First, the market for municipal wireless broadband networks is alive and well.  Tropos has more than 750 customers – primarily municipalities and utilities, successfully using our networks today for a wide range of applications that provide value within these communities.  In fact demand for broadband networks is continuing to grow, in part spurred by the ARRA and national broadband initiatives underway.  In your article, you state that Tropos has abandoned selling our products to municipalities – not the case!  We announced earlier this year that we have expanded our market focus to now include selling solutions for both Smart Grids and Smart Cities.</p>
<p>Tropos has been selling products to municipal utilities for more than 5 years providing backhaul for smart meters (and several other smart grid applications such as power quality monitoring, outage management, SCADA, and substation security).  When I refer to smart meters, I’m including those used for water, gas and electric.  We estimate our networks are being used to read over 600,000 meters today with approximately 60% of those being AMI (two-way communications).</p>
<p>You cited interference as a major problem with Wi-Fi. While the criticism is valid for Wi-Fi generically, it frankly doesn&#8217;t even make our top-five list of technical challenges due to technological advances we have made to our products.  Finally, we agree that security is an important consideration for networks supporting critical infrastructure, and Tropos sets itself apart from other Wi-Fi vendors with FIPS 140-2 certification and NERC CIP compliance and has implemented a multi-tiered security architecture to provide customers with the stringent security needs of critical infrastructure communications.</p>
<p>To learn more about Tropos’ Smart Grid and Smart City solutions, please visit <a href="http://www.tropos.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tropos.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: RM - InBoundMarketingPR</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-reasons-wi-fi-will-take-a-back-seat-for-the-smart-grid/#comment-28303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RM - InBoundMarketingPR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Great article, I now know more about wi-fi than I ever wanted to know.  Great article that shows all the different possibilities and concerns that need to be considered by the energy companies!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For more info on energy management visit ~ Titan Energy http://bit.ly/vfQkc&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, I now know more about wi-fi than I ever wanted to know.  Great article that shows all the different possibilities and concerns that need to be considered by the energy companies!</p>
<p>For more info on energy management visit ~ Titan Energy <a href="http://bit.ly/vfQkc" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/vfQkc</a></p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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