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		<title>By: Understanding</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Understanding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The debate about &quot;cleanliness of electricity for EVs&quot; is just noise in my humble view.
Historically, problems are solved using &quot;divide and conquer&quot; strategy.
Currently vehicles AND oil, both are unclean. EV&#039;s divide cleanliness of energy consumption right in the middle.
Say EV revolution succeeds, we just need to solve the other part - how to generate energy cleanly in centralized plants, no longer worrying about clunkers!&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debate about &#8220;cleanliness of electricity for EVs&#8221; is just noise in my humble view.<br />
Historically, problems are solved using &#8220;divide and conquer&#8221; strategy.<br />
Currently vehicles AND oil, both are unclean. EV&#8217;s divide cleanliness of energy consumption right in the middle.<br />
Say EV revolution succeeds, we just need to solve the other part &#8211; how to generate energy cleanly in centralized plants, no longer worrying about clunkers!</p>
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		<title>By: larry holliday</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25939</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I cannot find the answer to the magic question!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;HOW MUCH WILL IT COST TO RECHARGE AN ELECTRIC CAR EIGHT HOURS A NIGHT FOR ONE MONTH WITH A 220V PLUG??&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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<p>HOW MUCH WILL IT COST TO RECHARGE AN ELECTRIC CAR EIGHT HOURS A NIGHT FOR ONE MONTH WITH A 220V PLUG??</p>
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		<title>By: larry holliday</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[larry holliday]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I cannot find the answer to the magic question!&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Japan Power &#38; Auto Bigwigs Link for Quick-Charge Tech</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25937</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Japan Power &#38; Auto Bigwigs Link for Quick-Charge Tech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] an average electric vehicle battery pack in 30 minutes or less.” Nissan’s Mark Perry has said that fast charging is critically important mainly for what the company calls “destination” and “pathway” charging — at shopping [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an average electric vehicle battery pack in 30 minutes or less.” Nissan’s Mark Perry has said that fast charging is critically important mainly for what the company calls “destination” and “pathway” charging — at shopping [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martin WINLOW</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25936</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin WINLOW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Gordon,  I know - I&#039;ve tried it too!  Unfortunately, as you say, your experiment was not very scientific - for starters most speedos over read by at least 5 MPH at those sorts of speeds which would completely mess things up before you even start.  However, if you crunch the numbers looking at the amount of power required for a given vehicle to overcome the resistance of drag on it when on motion due to aerodynamic drag, friction in the drivetrain and tyre to road surface (to name but a few) it turns out that the 50/70 mph thing is almost exactly true.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course these calculations are only approximations but they would not be more than 5% or so adrift from reality.  Have a look here for more on the calculating front...  www.evconvert.com/tools/evcalc/ ... all the blue bits of text expand to give you more info or allow you to tweak things.  It doesn&#039;t really matter what variables you stick in - just look at the amount of power required to do 50 mph compared with 70mph for any given gear.  If you need some real gear ratios, have a look here... www.evalbum.com/2092.  MW&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon,  I know &#8211; I&#8217;ve tried it too!  Unfortunately, as you say, your experiment was not very scientific &#8211; for starters most speedos over read by at least 5 MPH at those sorts of speeds which would completely mess things up before you even start.  However, if you crunch the numbers looking at the amount of power required for a given vehicle to overcome the resistance of drag on it when on motion due to aerodynamic drag, friction in the drivetrain and tyre to road surface (to name but a few) it turns out that the 50/70 mph thing is almost exactly true.</p>
<p>Of course these calculations are only approximations but they would not be more than 5% or so adrift from reality.  Have a look here for more on the calculating front&#8230;  <a href="http://www.evconvert.com/tools/evcalc/" rel="nofollow">http://www.evconvert.com/tools/evcalc/</a> &#8230; all the blue bits of text expand to give you more info or allow you to tweak things.  It doesn&#8217;t really matter what variables you stick in &#8211; just look at the amount of power required to do 50 mph compared with 70mph for any given gear.  If you need some real gear ratios, have a look here&#8230; <a href="http://www.evalbum.com/2092" rel="nofollow">http://www.evalbum.com/2092</a>.  MW</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Gunn</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Gunn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I have heard that stat of doubling the energy needed to move a car 70 mph vs 50 mph before, but I&#039;m not sure I buy it.  My car does not get double the mileage at 50 mph than it gets at 70 mph. I ran an experiment (not very scientific) where I drove to work every day at 70-75 mph for one tank of gas and noted the miles the tank lasted with the trip meter, and then did the same thing driving at 50-60 mph.  It made some difference, but it wasn&#039;t huge.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard that stat of doubling the energy needed to move a car 70 mph vs 50 mph before, but I&#8217;m not sure I buy it.  My car does not get double the mileage at 50 mph than it gets at 70 mph. I ran an experiment (not very scientific) where I drove to work every day at 70-75 mph for one tank of gas and noted the miles the tank lasted with the trip meter, and then did the same thing driving at 50-60 mph.  It made some difference, but it wasn&#8217;t huge.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruvaenator</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruvaenator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Alex, your statement &quot;in a grid system where all power that is being created is also getting instantaneously used&quot; is over simplified. Their is such a thing called &quot;spinning reserve&quot; and also they do not want to shut down a coal, or especially nuclear power station at night, so it usually runs very inefficiently at night. the real answer is using in the near future &quot;smart meters&quot; and &quot;V2G electric vehicles&quot; and V2G plug-in hybrids. You would have the choice of charging overnight when rates are low, and supply a small amount back when the grid needs it momentarily, making back a small amount. This would be a game changer. just copy the quotes and Google to find out more.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, your statement &#8220;in a grid system where all power that is being created is also getting instantaneously used&#8221; is over simplified. Their is such a thing called &#8220;spinning reserve&#8221; and also they do not want to shut down a coal, or especially nuclear power station at night, so it usually runs very inefficiently at night. the real answer is using in the near future &#8220;smart meters&#8221; and &#8220;V2G electric vehicles&#8221; and V2G plug-in hybrids. You would have the choice of charging overnight when rates are low, and supply a small amount back when the grid needs it momentarily, making back a small amount. This would be a game changer. just copy the quotes and Google to find out more.</p>
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		<title>By: Coulomb Technologies Picks Up $14M for Electric Car Charging</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coulomb Technologies Picks Up $14M for Electric Car Charging]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] province of utilities &#8212; to drivers through a network of battery charging stations (see &#8220;5 Misconceptions About Electric Car Charging&#8220;). In California, expected to be one of the largest early markets for electric vehicles, it [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] province of utilities &#8212; to drivers through a network of battery charging stations (see &#8220;5 Misconceptions About Electric Car Charging&#8220;). In California, expected to be one of the largest early markets for electric vehicles, it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Latest Electric car news &#8211; It&#8217;s Easy Being Green: Energy on the Go &#124; Electric Hybird Vehicles</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25932</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Latest Electric car news &#8211; It&#8217;s Easy Being Green: Energy on the Go &#124; Electric Hybird Vehicles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] 5 Misconceptions About Electric Car Charging [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: KentCourt5</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25931</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KentCourt5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I like the idea of designing EVs, so that their batteries can be charged either via AC or DC, so that a basic solar kit, consisting of one or two standard solar panels, could be marketed for off-the-grid recharging. Then your Chevy Volt could be described as a solar-powered car, rather than a coal-powered car, for daily commutes of less than 40 miles round-trip. I have no idea if this is currently planned for -- but if not, then why not?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Kent&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of designing EVs, so that their batteries can be charged either via AC or DC, so that a basic solar kit, consisting of one or two standard solar panels, could be marketed for off-the-grid recharging. Then your Chevy Volt could be described as a solar-powered car, rather than a coal-powered car, for daily commutes of less than 40 miles round-trip. I have no idea if this is currently planned for &#8212; but if not, then why not?</p>
<p>Kent</p>
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		<title>By: China&#8217;s Opportunity: Green Mobility vs. Electric Cars</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25930</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[China&#8217;s Opportunity: Green Mobility vs. Electric Cars]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] points that allow drivers to juice up overnight at home are likely to have a small role, he said, relative to installations at shopping centers and other commercial sites (Allan Schurr, VP for Energy &amp; Utilities at IBM anticipates similar challenges for the U.S. [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] points that allow drivers to juice up overnight at home are likely to have a small role, he said, relative to installations at shopping centers and other commercial sites (Allan Schurr, VP for Energy &amp; Utilities at IBM anticipates similar challenges for the U.S. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel LaLiberte</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25929</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel LaLiberte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t want to unintentionally buy into either oil or coal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If coal can be mined and burned cleaner at centralized power plants, and distributed through power lines compared to pumping oil refining it, shipping and burning in separate cars, then so be it.  But if we only do that, we have not done enough.  Compared to oil, coal burning also contributed large amounts of other pollutants to the environment, including radioactive elements.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We need to get off of both oil and coal as soon as possible, and before then, we should at least factor in the total cost of using either of these non-renewable energy resources including all the production costs, and including the cost of completely cleaning up all the pollution produced.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is it a step in the right direction to promote electric vehicles even if we require building more coal power plants?   Maybe so, if it means we are cleaner and more efficient overall, and especially so because electricity can later be produced by renewable resources.  Electric vehicle battery recharging in off-peak hours also helps balance out power demands throughout the day.  Also consider the uneven availability of solar and wind energy - the excess supply can be stored in spare batteries for use later.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to unintentionally buy into either oil or coal.</p>
<p>If coal can be mined and burned cleaner at centralized power plants, and distributed through power lines compared to pumping oil refining it, shipping and burning in separate cars, then so be it.  But if we only do that, we have not done enough.  Compared to oil, coal burning also contributed large amounts of other pollutants to the environment, including radioactive elements.</p>
<p>We need to get off of both oil and coal as soon as possible, and before then, we should at least factor in the total cost of using either of these non-renewable energy resources including all the production costs, and including the cost of completely cleaning up all the pollution produced.</p>
<p>Is it a step in the right direction to promote electric vehicles even if we require building more coal power plants?   Maybe so, if it means we are cleaner and more efficient overall, and especially so because electricity can later be produced by renewable resources.  Electric vehicle battery recharging in off-peak hours also helps balance out power demands throughout the day.  Also consider the uneven availability of solar and wind energy &#8211; the excess supply can be stored in spare batteries for use later.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Rickard</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25928</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Rickard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Electricity is our only energy source that is improving in efficiency and emissions with each passing year.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jack Rickard
evtv.me&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electricity is our only energy source that is improving in efficiency and emissions with each passing year.</p>
<p>Jack Rickard<br />
evtv.me</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Rickard</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25927</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Rickard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;You guys have bought into the Western Oil Industry Association party line.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Notice no one discusses how much energy is used to refine crude oil into gasoline?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It takes about 140kWh of natural gas and electricity to refine ONE 42 gallon barrel of crude oil into 19.5 gallons of gasoline.  Gasoline ALREADY uses coal fired electricity just to become gasonline.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact, this works out to 7.18 kWh per gallon of gasoline.  I can drive 28 miles in my electric Porsche Speedster on this energy, and you can KEEP the gallon of gasoline.  In fact, you can leave the barrel of oil in the ground.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Debating the CO2 emissions of the electricity production is falling right into  the line they want the debate to take, and it is logically bankrupt.  CO2 from Coal compared to gasoline directly works out to LESS THAN HALF of that produced by burning gasoline.  But worse, the CO2 from refining the gasoline is much higher than the CO2 produced burning the gallon of gasoline.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Electric cars are obviously cleaner, and you can trace both energy and emissions all the way back to the pre-Cambrian sea if you like, the chain only grows MORE in favor of electric and more gruesome from gasoline.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys have bought into the Western Oil Industry Association party line.</p>
<p>Notice no one discusses how much energy is used to refine crude oil into gasoline?</p>
<p>It takes about 140kWh of natural gas and electricity to refine ONE 42 gallon barrel of crude oil into 19.5 gallons of gasoline.  Gasoline ALREADY uses coal fired electricity just to become gasonline.</p>
<p>In fact, this works out to 7.18 kWh per gallon of gasoline.  I can drive 28 miles in my electric Porsche Speedster on this energy, and you can KEEP the gallon of gasoline.  In fact, you can leave the barrel of oil in the ground.</p>
<p>Debating the CO2 emissions of the electricity production is falling right into  the line they want the debate to take, and it is logically bankrupt.  CO2 from Coal compared to gasoline directly works out to LESS THAN HALF of that produced by burning gasoline.  But worse, the CO2 from refining the gasoline is much higher than the CO2 produced burning the gallon of gasoline.</p>
<p>Electric cars are obviously cleaner, and you can trace both energy and emissions all the way back to the pre-Cambrian sea if you like, the chain only grows MORE in favor of electric and more gruesome from gasoline.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Rickard</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Rickard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;This is simply not correct. There is a huge difference in demand day and night and power plants don&#039;t work by pressing the accelerator.  The utilities pay BILLIONS for &quot;load management&quot;, basically places to DUMP excess power.  You&#039;re not only paying for the power you use during the day, but you&#039;re also paying for the power you&#039;re NOT using at night.  It&#039;s all in the rate base.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jack Rickard
evtv.me&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is simply not correct. There is a huge difference in demand day and night and power plants don&#8217;t work by pressing the accelerator.  The utilities pay BILLIONS for &#8220;load management&#8221;, basically places to DUMP excess power.  You&#8217;re not only paying for the power you use during the day, but you&#8217;re also paying for the power you&#8217;re NOT using at night.  It&#8217;s all in the rate base.</p>
<p>Jack Rickard<br />
evtv.me</p>
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		<title>By: Grady</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/cleantech/5-misconceptions-about-electric-car-charging/#comment-25925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;At least there is an option, and a future, for renewable energy powering an electric vehicle. There is no future for the use of fossil fuels. Delaying the arrival of EVs, like delaying the arrival of hard caps on emissions, only benefits those scrambling to maintain the status quo as long as they can.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least there is an option, and a future, for renewable energy powering an electric vehicle. There is no future for the use of fossil fuels. Delaying the arrival of EVs, like delaying the arrival of hard caps on emissions, only benefits those scrambling to maintain the status quo as long as they can.</p>
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