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		<title>By: Robert Voltaire</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting to see the improvements since this post first started!]]></description>
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		<title>By: NewMacUser</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s an absolutely ridiculous reason for omitting a &quot;cut&quot; function from Finder.  Using your logic, we shouldn&#039;t have a Trash either because we might accidentally empty it, forgetting we had something in there that we wanted to restore.  Mac OS X isn&#039;t meant for idiots to use!

And ontop of that, look at it this way: what if you want to move a folder from a subdirectory to a parent directory.  On Windows, you can cut, move back to the parent directory, and paste.  In OS X, you actually have to duplicate the file (on the clipboard), paste it in the parent directory (which means that the file is now needlessly duplicated on the storage medium), and then go back and delete the file in the subdirectory.  On a 4gig USB-drive, duplicating a file might actually be a problem in terms of storage space!  In which case, you&#039;d actually have to copy the item to your hard-disc first, THEN delete the original file, and THEN store it in the parent directory on the USB-drive.

Sound like a pain in the ass?  It absolutely is!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an absolutely ridiculous reason for omitting a &#8220;cut&#8221; function from Finder.  Using your logic, we shouldn&#8217;t have a Trash either because we might accidentally empty it, forgetting we had something in there that we wanted to restore.  Mac OS X isn&#8217;t meant for idiots to use!</p>
<p>And ontop of that, look at it this way: what if you want to move a folder from a subdirectory to a parent directory.  On Windows, you can cut, move back to the parent directory, and paste.  In OS X, you actually have to duplicate the file (on the clipboard), paste it in the parent directory (which means that the file is now needlessly duplicated on the storage medium), and then go back and delete the file in the subdirectory.  On a 4gig USB-drive, duplicating a file might actually be a problem in terms of storage space!  In which case, you&#8217;d actually have to copy the item to your hard-disc first, THEN delete the original file, and THEN store it in the parent directory on the USB-drive.</p>
<p>Sound like a pain in the ass?  It absolutely is!</p>
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		<title>By: daniel hamilton</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To that i would add, 15 suggestions for Windows 7. Mostly for navigation and speed. I now run Vista HB, dual booting with XP 

1. Change the default folder view to Details, and allow one to set what one chooses under that to every kind of folder (i have hundreds, and know &quot;apply to all..&quot; is spssd to do it. Fixes for this do not stay - Google for threads).

2. Fix the problem with Vista not remembering Windows sizes (again, Google for problems with fixes)  
 
3. Put the Up arrow back. It is often faster even after one learns the breadcrumb menu, and is needed when using folders without the navigation pane, which is helpful to eliminate due to Vista not rembering folder sizes. See free QTTab bar for this and more options worth incorporating. 

4. Allow moving of Task Bar buttons, and choosing different colors, as well as saving sessions, just like Firefox allows for tabs (Colorful Tabs extension for the color). Then copy more things from FF for IE. Or retire it. (doing research, I usually run 2 instances of FF concurrently, one of Sea Monkey and 1 of others if needed, and find IE the least to be preferred)  

5. Allow right click to copy whole path in the address bar of folders (ctrl and c will do it now). And allow the same for copying things for 3 d boxes. 

6. easily allow hot keys for fast launching (with  free AutoHotKey you can make scripts to launch one, or even many many apps, etc. simultaneously - closest thing to a session saver)

7 Provide  a master list of everything in the Control Panel, etc, (things like C:WindowsSystem32powercfg.cpl) for faster access. Stat menue should seldom need to be used. 

8. Greatly improve Speech to Text (and vice versa) and commands to do the above (and turn on, off PC, etc.) so you can just say things like , &quot;Go to ...&quot;     

9. Improve ability to see incoming and outgoing Internet traffic. 

10. Can UAC, and use something like Winpatrol.

11. Add options to clipboard, to remember all (like clipboard diary)

12. Improve clock (colors, cpu load, free ram stats, etc.) 

13. Allow changing file type icons on even basic versions of OS. 

14. Put &quot;copy to&quot; and move to&quot; as default options on right click menus (I have this).  

15. Make it faster than Vista, which on a Dell E520 (3ghz cpu, 2.5gb ram) is slower than my W/98 (650mhz, 320mb ram) on basic tasks (navigating, opening folders), and slower than XP on the same PC. Even after tweaking and spare ram and low cpu load. (I do thank God for both, with Vista being overall better and more mature than XP)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To that i would add, 15 suggestions for Windows 7. Mostly for navigation and speed. I now run Vista HB, dual booting with XP </p>
<p>1. Change the default folder view to Details, and allow one to set what one chooses under that to every kind of folder (i have hundreds, and know &#8220;apply to all..&#8221; is spssd to do it. Fixes for this do not stay &#8211; Google for threads).</p>
<p>2. Fix the problem with Vista not remembering Windows sizes (again, Google for problems with fixes)  </p>
<p>3. Put the Up arrow back. It is often faster even after one learns the breadcrumb menu, and is needed when using folders without the navigation pane, which is helpful to eliminate due to Vista not rembering folder sizes. See free QTTab bar for this and more options worth incorporating. </p>
<p>4. Allow moving of Task Bar buttons, and choosing different colors, as well as saving sessions, just like Firefox allows for tabs (Colorful Tabs extension for the color). Then copy more things from FF for IE. Or retire it. (doing research, I usually run 2 instances of FF concurrently, one of Sea Monkey and 1 of others if needed, and find IE the least to be preferred)  </p>
<p>5. Allow right click to copy whole path in the address bar of folders (ctrl and c will do it now). And allow the same for copying things for 3 d boxes. </p>
<p>6. easily allow hot keys for fast launching (with  free AutoHotKey you can make scripts to launch one, or even many many apps, etc. simultaneously &#8211; closest thing to a session saver)</p>
<p>7 Provide  a master list of everything in the Control Panel, etc, (things like C:WindowsSystem32powercfg.cpl) for faster access. Stat menue should seldom need to be used. </p>
<p>8. Greatly improve Speech to Text (and vice versa) and commands to do the above (and turn on, off PC, etc.) so you can just say things like , &#8220;Go to &#8230;&#8221;     </p>
<p>9. Improve ability to see incoming and outgoing Internet traffic. </p>
<p>10. Can UAC, and use something like Winpatrol.</p>
<p>11. Add options to clipboard, to remember all (like clipboard diary)</p>
<p>12. Improve clock (colors, cpu load, free ram stats, etc.) </p>
<p>13. Allow changing file type icons on even basic versions of OS. </p>
<p>14. Put &#8220;copy to&#8221; and move to&#8221; as default options on right click menus (I have this).  </p>
<p>15. Make it faster than Vista, which on a Dell E520 (3ghz cpu, 2.5gb ram) is slower than my W/98 (650mhz, 320mb ram) on basic tasks (navigating, opening folders), and slower than XP on the same PC. Even after tweaking and spare ram and low cpu load. (I do thank God for both, with Vista being overall better and more mature than XP)</p>
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		<title>By: thinsoldier</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#74 Dan says:
In Windows, you sort by name, but folders are still grouped together (Lame)
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I disagree but I respect your preference.
We just want the option to group folders like that to be somewhere. We don&#039;t want it to be the default.
We don&#039;t want to remove anything that&#039;s already there. We just want the option.

#80 Alex says:
Why put another mouse button on a laptop? You already have four click modifier keys right next to the trackpad anyway.
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I let a student do their spreadsheet homework on my macbook using bootcamp. The homework software was written in flash and no matter what utility I found that make windows see modifier+click as right click, flash just would not respond properly.
But of course you&#039;re just going to blame flash for that.
There are also quite a few games that need a 2nd mouse button and there isn&#039;t always room to plug in and use a mouse when you&#039;re on a bus or in a chartered plane.


chadseld said earlier, “Cut and Paste in finder/explorer breaks the cut and paste paradigm because the ‘cut’ does not remove the original item until it is pasted. This is different from the way cut works in a text editor.
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I would actually prefer _an option_ for text editors to work the other way. Select text, cut, the text changes color and starts gently fading in and out until you paste it or cut a different range of text.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#74 Dan says:<br />
In Windows, you sort by name, but folders are still grouped together (Lame)<br />
&#8212;-<br />
I disagree but I respect your preference.<br />
We just want the option to group folders like that to be somewhere. We don&#8217;t want it to be the default.<br />
We don&#8217;t want to remove anything that&#8217;s already there. We just want the option.</p>
<p>#80 Alex says:<br />
Why put another mouse button on a laptop? You already have four click modifier keys right next to the trackpad anyway.<br />
&#8212;-<br />
I let a student do their spreadsheet homework on my macbook using bootcamp. The homework software was written in flash and no matter what utility I found that make windows see modifier+click as right click, flash just would not respond properly.<br />
But of course you&#8217;re just going to blame flash for that.<br />
There are also quite a few games that need a 2nd mouse button and there isn&#8217;t always room to plug in and use a mouse when you&#8217;re on a bus or in a chartered plane.</p>
<p>chadseld said earlier, “Cut and Paste in finder/explorer breaks the cut and paste paradigm because the ‘cut’ does not remove the original item until it is pasted. This is different from the way cut works in a text editor.<br />
&#8212;-<br />
I would actually prefer _an option_ for text editors to work the other way. Select text, cut, the text changes color and starts gently fading in and out until you paste it or cut a different range of text.</p>
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		<title>By: thinsoldier</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-features-os-x-should-adopt/#comment-316171</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#59 jjjjjjb says:
Finally, the ability to rename/duplicate/trash files from the Open/Save dialogue boxes is a great feature of Windows.
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This is one of the top 3 time-saving features of Windows.


#66 Kyle says:
#1: OS X is a terrible multi-monitor OS. I have 3 monitors, an open app’s menu bar can be over 2400 pixels away; this is simply poor design, at the very least allow a menu bar per monitor. The current bit of design cruft made sense when monitors were less than 500x and 9×9 or so, but the current menu bar model is just embarrassing.

#4: There are no utilities to resize windows automagically (like utils xp, keystrokes to make the window half the size of the monitor and snap to the left for instance)

#5: itunes is generally a piece of crap,
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ditto



#68 Wenzi says:
May I suggest you stop using a Mac. It would be better for all involved if you just went back to using a PC.
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...reminds me of a time when a little old lady politely suggested that I take my black ass back to africa. But I&#039;m sure you didn&#039;t mean to say that in the same unjustified, thoughtless and hateful way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#59 jjjjjjb says:<br />
Finally, the ability to rename/duplicate/trash files from the Open/Save dialogue boxes is a great feature of Windows.<br />
&#8212;<br />
This is one of the top 3 time-saving features of Windows.</p>
<p>#66 Kyle says:<br />
#1: OS X is a terrible multi-monitor OS. I have 3 monitors, an open app’s menu bar can be over 2400 pixels away; this is simply poor design, at the very least allow a menu bar per monitor. The current bit of design cruft made sense when monitors were less than 500x and 9×9 or so, but the current menu bar model is just embarrassing.</p>
<p>#4: There are no utilities to resize windows automagically (like utils xp, keystrokes to make the window half the size of the monitor and snap to the left for instance)</p>
<p>#5: itunes is generally a piece of crap,<br />
&#8212;-<br />
ditto</p>
<p>#68 Wenzi says:<br />
May I suggest you stop using a Mac. It would be better for all involved if you just went back to using a PC.<br />
&#8212;-<br />
&#8230;reminds me of a time when a little old lady politely suggested that I take my black ass back to africa. But I&#8217;m sure you didn&#8217;t mean to say that in the same unjustified, thoughtless and hateful way.</p>
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		<title>By: thinsoldier</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-features-os-x-should-adopt/#comment-316170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thinsoldier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#52 Leland says:
But, if you want to mix their documents together, you’ll still have to open up the older folder, take the documents out of the newer one, and put them inside.
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Depending on how many nested folders &amp; files you&#039;re working with that technique can suck a good half hour out of your day!

#53 actiondan says:
frankly both it and Windows should take a leaf out of Linux’s book. Having a drag motion to allow move/resize from anywhere within the window (eg Alt-left/middle drag in Gnome) is simple to learn and stupidly efficient. Why the hell to I have to search for a 1 pixel border/corner every time I want to rearrange my desktop?
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QFT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#52 Leland says:<br />
But, if you want to mix their documents together, you’ll still have to open up the older folder, take the documents out of the newer one, and put them inside.<br />
&#8211;<br />
Depending on how many nested folders &amp; files you&#8217;re working with that technique can suck a good half hour out of your day!</p>
<p>#53 actiondan says:<br />
frankly both it and Windows should take a leaf out of Linux’s book. Having a drag motion to allow move/resize from anywhere within the window (eg Alt-left/middle drag in Gnome) is simple to learn and stupidly efficient. Why the hell to I have to search for a 1 pixel border/corner every time I want to rearrange my desktop?<br />
&#8211;<br />
QFT</p>
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		<title>By: thinsoldier</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-features-os-x-should-adopt/#comment-316169</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thinsoldier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#33 orta says:
Refresh in Finder from 10.4 onwards is useless, the only place it would be of any use is over a network.
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Funny you should say that. 99% of my work is done over a network.


#48 Guy says:
Well I think that finder should merge folders instead of replacing the old one with the new one. I recently bought a macbook and in the first couple of weeks, I lost two entire days work because I didn’t know that OSX didn’t merge.
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Despite my best efforts I&#039;ve had this happen more than 50 times in 5 years. Of those 50+ exactly 33 times it resulted in me losing at least 5 days of work. Before the end of the decade this &quot;feature&quot; will have caused me to lose 1 YEAR OF WORK!
Unfortunately I&#039;ve never kept track of all the minutes(hours) wasted working around this &quot;feature&quot; by digging through folder after folder after folder, sorting by modified date and only copying the most recently edited files!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33 orta says:<br />
Refresh in Finder from 10.4 onwards is useless, the only place it would be of any use is over a network.<br />
&#8211;<br />
Funny you should say that. 99% of my work is done over a network.</p>
<p>#48 Guy says:<br />
Well I think that finder should merge folders instead of replacing the old one with the new one. I recently bought a macbook and in the first couple of weeks, I lost two entire days work because I didn’t know that OSX didn’t merge.<br />
&#8211;<br />
Despite my best efforts I&#8217;ve had this happen more than 50 times in 5 years. Of those 50+ exactly 33 times it resulted in me losing at least 5 days of work. Before the end of the decade this &#8220;feature&#8221; will have caused me to lose 1 YEAR OF WORK!<br />
Unfortunately I&#8217;ve never kept track of all the minutes(hours) wasted working around this &#8220;feature&#8221; by digging through folder after folder after folder, sorting by modified date and only copying the most recently edited files!</p>
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		<title>By: thinsoldier</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, some people (my mom) who can barely move the cards around in Solitaire have problems with dragging &amp; dropping. For people like that (and possibly some handicapped people as well) cut &amp; paste is a better option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, some people (my mom) who can barely move the cards around in Solitaire have problems with dragging &amp; dropping. For people like that (and possibly some handicapped people as well) cut &amp; paste is a better option.</p>
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		<title>By: thinsoldier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thinsoldier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#1 Matthew Smith

Wrong. In windows if you click a file and &#039;cut&#039;, its icon &#039;fades&#039; out about 50%.
If you then click on another file and &#039;cut&#039;, the 1st file&#039;s icon goes back to normal. It doe not disappear into the abyss. It&#039;s fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#1 Matthew Smith</p>
<p>Wrong. In windows if you click a file and &#8216;cut&#8217;, its icon &#8216;fades&#8217; out about 50%.<br />
If you then click on another file and &#8216;cut&#8217;, the 1st file&#8217;s icon goes back to normal. It doe not disappear into the abyss. It&#8217;s fine.</p>
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		<title>By: mickleberry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, and thanks @#174 arlen smith for your sensible commentary .. the only person to mention Dual Pane file management. This is something that Neither windows nor mac have built in natively .. and both should consider.

All the hassle around drag / drop vs copy / paste just dissolves when you use a dual pane file manager (for example Xplorer2 by zabkat.com

Just put two folders next to each other (in a single application window), and you can choose whether to drag, paste .. or even use a single (copy/paste) shortcut eg ctrl+F6. Wildly obvious, once you get the picture.

i&#039;d feel a whole lot better about switching to a mac if i knew there was an equivalent to Xplorer2 .. or if this was built into the Finder.

Most windows users have no idea about the enormous benefits from such an application ..
and this is something they have in common with most apple users.

Knock each other out  ;-]

kind regards, michael]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, and thanks @#174 arlen smith for your sensible commentary .. the only person to mention Dual Pane file management. This is something that Neither windows nor mac have built in natively .. and both should consider.</p>
<p>All the hassle around drag / drop vs copy / paste just dissolves when you use a dual pane file manager (for example Xplorer2 by zabkat.com</p>
<p>Just put two folders next to each other (in a single application window), and you can choose whether to drag, paste .. or even use a single (copy/paste) shortcut eg ctrl+F6. Wildly obvious, once you get the picture.</p>
<p>i&#8217;d feel a whole lot better about switching to a mac if i knew there was an equivalent to Xplorer2 .. or if this was built into the Finder.</p>
<p>Most windows users have no idea about the enormous benefits from such an application ..<br />
and this is something they have in common with most apple users.</p>
<p>Knock each other out  ;-]</p>
<p>kind regards, michael</p>
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