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		<title>By: better late than sorry</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339429</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[better late than sorry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Microsoft Norway claims the following:
Starter - only for Notebooks
Home Basic - only for emerging markets, not available in Europe

The remaining four versions are divided as follows:
Consumer market - Home Premium and Ultimate as the updated version
Business market - Professional and Enterprise as the updated version

They further claim there are no real difference between ultimate and enterprise, only the name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft Norway claims the following:<br />
Starter &#8211; only for Notebooks<br />
Home Basic &#8211; only for emerging markets, not available in Europe</p>
<p>The remaining four versions are divided as follows:<br />
Consumer market &#8211; Home Premium and Ultimate as the updated version<br />
Business market &#8211; Professional and Enterprise as the updated version</p>
<p>They further claim there are no real difference between ultimate and enterprise, only the name.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You said it plain and simple.  I did the same thing and now I don&#039;t think I will ever switch back to Windows. Stick with MAC and you can&#039;t go to Linux.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said it plain and simple.  I did the same thing and now I don&#8217;t think I will ever switch back to Windows. Stick with MAC and you can&#8217;t go to Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: David Dennis</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Dennis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would go Basic (or Netbook), Premium and Ultimate.  That&#039;s because &quot;Premium&quot; and &quot;Professional&quot; both sound good and I don&#039;t think the person on the street could tell which is better from the name.  Premium is good but Ultimate is clearly better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would go Basic (or Netbook), Premium and Ultimate.  That&#8217;s because &#8220;Premium&#8221; and &#8220;Professional&#8221; both sound good and I don&#8217;t think the person on the street could tell which is better from the name.  Premium is good but Ultimate is clearly better.</p>
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		<title>By: Winows 7 va fi lansat anul acesta! Si fara Internet Explorer! @ Blogul Gothic</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339426</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Winows 7 va fi lansat anul acesta! Si fara Internet Explorer! @ Blogul Gothic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Bun, ce mai am de spus? Daca nu aveti rabdare si sunteti curiosi cam cum arata acest Windows 7, va puteti lua jucaria de aici si sa faceti cate experimente vreti cu calculatorul vostru . Un review destul de subiectiv, avand in vedere ca e scris de Apple, se afla pe theAppleBlog.com. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bun, ce mai am de spus? Daca nu aveti rabdare si sunteti curiosi cam cum arata acest Windows 7, va puteti lua jucaria de aici si sa faceti cate experimente vreti cu calculatorul vostru . Un review destul de subiectiv, avand in vedere ca e scris de Apple, se afla pe theAppleBlog.com. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339425</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To me the final lineup of Windows 7 would be just like:
- Windows 7 Netbook edition
- Windows 7 Home edtion
- Windows 7 Proffessional edition

Starter? Come on Microsoft! I sounds like a baby Windows 7! A &quot;Windows 7&quot; that in fact is Windows 2000 with a new skin! Netbook edition? A hole lot better! Now it sounds like this edition has been optimized for working better on small screens and slow CPU-s.
Home basic? Even if Home premium is...... ok..... Home basic? To me it sounds like a mentally-challenged-optimized-home-premium! If they really want it it could be like Windows Netbook edition plus! Like an upgrade! Home basic? Come on!
Ultimate? Yeah, it&#039;s ultimate. It&#039;s brand-new. What matters is not how new or freshly-redmond-packed is, it matters the power it packs in! They need to make costumers that know nothing about computers figure out what&#039;s the best without asking a buy assistant! To me Proffessional beats Ultimate! Try imaginating a MacBook Ultimate! What do you imagine? Something new, right? But not necesarilly more powerful than the pro. Something like the pro + some bugfixes. We&#039;re triyng to make people understand that ultimate is the best! Not just something new! To me it&#039;&#039;s fantastic how PC-s try to copy all the work Apple did in this years. They now have also iSights. They also have multitouch. HP even incorporated a lame hard drive protection system! Lame because it&#039;s an accelorometer, not a sudden motion detector. It detects slower the motion. As Steve said in one WWDC, there may be copies, but nothing is better than the original! Take that, Microsoft!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the final lineup of Windows 7 would be just like:<br />
- Windows 7 Netbook edition<br />
- Windows 7 Home edtion<br />
- Windows 7 Proffessional edition</p>
<p>Starter? Come on Microsoft! I sounds like a baby Windows 7! A &#8220;Windows 7&#8243; that in fact is Windows 2000 with a new skin! Netbook edition? A hole lot better! Now it sounds like this edition has been optimized for working better on small screens and slow CPU-s.<br />
Home basic? Even if Home premium is&#8230;&#8230; ok&#8230;.. Home basic? To me it sounds like a mentally-challenged-optimized-home-premium! If they really want it it could be like Windows Netbook edition plus! Like an upgrade! Home basic? Come on!<br />
Ultimate? Yeah, it&#8217;s ultimate. It&#8217;s brand-new. What matters is not how new or freshly-redmond-packed is, it matters the power it packs in! They need to make costumers that know nothing about computers figure out what&#8217;s the best without asking a buy assistant! To me Proffessional beats Ultimate! Try imaginating a MacBook Ultimate! What do you imagine? Something new, right? But not necesarilly more powerful than the pro. Something like the pro + some bugfixes. We&#8217;re triyng to make people understand that ultimate is the best! Not just something new! To me it&#8221;s fantastic how PC-s try to copy all the work Apple did in this years. They now have also iSights. They also have multitouch. HP even incorporated a lame hard drive protection system! Lame because it&#8217;s an accelorometer, not a sudden motion detector. It detects slower the motion. As Steve said in one WWDC, there may be copies, but nothing is better than the original! Take that, Microsoft!</p>
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		<title>By: aryan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339424</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nice wallpapers 
View &lt;a href=&quot;http://windowssevenwallpapers.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Windows 7 Wallpapers&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice wallpapers<br />
View <a href="http://windowssevenwallpapers.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Windows 7 Wallpapers</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339423</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 05:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think that windows definitely should just be Starter, Premium, Enterprise, and Professional (or Elite), as they say, but it shouldnt be like Mac, (Win7 Win7 Enterprise) because you want to choose how much you pay. Take for instance, Mac costs so much, and I don&#039;t need all of the features. On the PC, i can choose how much complexty i want and how much mooney i wish to spend.

So...
WRONG: Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Enterprise, Ulitmate
WRONG: Windows 7
RIGHT: Starter, Premium, Elite, Enterprise]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that windows definitely should just be Starter, Premium, Enterprise, and Professional (or Elite), as they say, but it shouldnt be like Mac, (Win7 Win7 Enterprise) because you want to choose how much you pay. Take for instance, Mac costs so much, and I don&#8217;t need all of the features. On the PC, i can choose how much complexty i want and how much mooney i wish to spend.</p>
<p>So&#8230;<br />
WRONG: Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Professional, Enterprise, Ulitmate<br />
WRONG: Windows 7<br />
RIGHT: Starter, Premium, Elite, Enterprise</p>
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		<title>By: Windows 7 RC: Reality Check Edition</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Windows 7 RC: Reality Check Edition]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Did they address that whole confusing number of editions thing? Not really. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Did they address that whole confusing number of editions thing? Not really. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: niki</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339421</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[niki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[po se di as vet a kemi me mujt me e ble ket windows se shtrejt edhe nuk kemi kompjutera te ,mire . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>po se di as vet a kemi me mujt me e ble ket windows se shtrejt edhe nuk kemi kompjutera te ,mire . . .</p>
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		<title>By: BlogBites. Like sound bites. But without the sound. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Besides, having a product that admits every other edition is lacking features is kind of stupid, in my opinion.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339420</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BlogBites. Like sound bites. But without the sound. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Besides, having a product that admits every other edition is lacking features is kind of stupid, in my opinion.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a product that admits every other edition is lacking features is kind of stupid, in my opinion.  Windows 7 Editions: Still Too Many - TheAppleBlog  &#160;    &#171; I told my friends that they don&#8217;t have to see it in 3D, but they kind of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a product that admits every other edition is lacking features is kind of stupid, in my opinion.  Windows 7 Editions: Still Too Many &#8211; TheAppleBlog  &nbsp;    &laquo; I told my friends that they don&#8217;t have to see it in 3D, but they kind of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hamish</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Microsoft need to sort themselves out and simplify their product offering with greater differentiation and clarity between versions pronto if they want to retain any kind of credibility in the long-term. All these &#039;Ultimate&#039;, &#039;Professional&#039;, &#039;Home Basic&#039; and other names are complete bollocks and confuse and annoy the vast majority of people. It&#039;s not good branding or business, and ultimately they are hurting themselves by continuing down these ridiculous marketing paths.

There are three clear markets MS could separate out: 1. Mobile and Netbook machines, 2. Home AND Business - this version should be the same damn thing for all users with the same features for everyone, and finally 3. Server. THAT&#039;S IT. Call them Windows Basic, Windows Professional and Windows Server, price them accordingly and get on with it. There is NO excuse or argument for any further versions.

GET IT DONE!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft need to sort themselves out and simplify their product offering with greater differentiation and clarity between versions pronto if they want to retain any kind of credibility in the long-term. All these &#8216;Ultimate&#8217;, &#8216;Professional&#8217;, &#8216;Home Basic&#8217; and other names are complete bollocks and confuse and annoy the vast majority of people. It&#8217;s not good branding or business, and ultimately they are hurting themselves by continuing down these ridiculous marketing paths.</p>
<p>There are three clear markets MS could separate out: 1. Mobile and Netbook machines, 2. Home AND Business &#8211; this version should be the same damn thing for all users with the same features for everyone, and finally 3. Server. THAT&#8217;S IT. Call them Windows Basic, Windows Professional and Windows Server, price them accordingly and get on with it. There is NO excuse or argument for any further versions.</p>
<p>GET IT DONE!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Reestman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339418</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Reestman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard,

The number is the same, but they are most certainly better than before: 

- Vista Starter is S-L-O-W on a netbook, hence them all running XP (or Linux). 7 Starter will change that (for that matter, Home Premium reportedly runs acceptably on netbook hardware as well). 

- Vista Home Premium and Business made you give up features to go from one to the other. 7 Home Premium is a subset of the new 7 Professional (there is no Business), so if you move to Pro you get everything in Premium in addition to new features.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>The number is the same, but they are most certainly better than before: </p>
<p>- Vista Starter is S-L-O-W on a netbook, hence them all running XP (or Linux). 7 Starter will change that (for that matter, Home Premium reportedly runs acceptably on netbook hardware as well). </p>
<p>- Vista Home Premium and Business made you give up features to go from one to the other. 7 Home Premium is a subset of the new 7 Professional (there is no Business), so if you move to Pro you get everything in Premium in addition to new features.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339417</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had you done a bit more research, you would have seen that Windows Vista has exactly the same six editions as Windows 7, making them not, as you say, &quot;better than before.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had you done a bit more research, you would have seen that Windows Vista has exactly the same six editions as Windows 7, making them not, as you say, &#8220;better than before.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339416</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Windows 7 is certainly Vista. The reason I know is because Steve Ballmer said so! He said that:

&quot;Windows 7 is Vista, only better!&quot;

Yes, Windows 7 truly is Vista 2. It&#039;s a better implementation, by far, but it&#039;&#039;s still Vista. Vista wasn&#039;t all bad, mind you, just a lot of it. Even though I don&#039;t think for a moment it will replace Leopard, let alone Snow Leopard, it is still the best that Microsoft has achieved in any OS. They copied from OS X, like they did with the new task bar, but they also added to it their own unique touch.  I hope Apple does likewise? 

Vista sucked big time; but Windows 7 sucks less, and as such, I will probably add it as a secondary or guest OS when it comes out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows 7 is certainly Vista. The reason I know is because Steve Ballmer said so! He said that:</p>
<p>&#8220;Windows 7 is Vista, only better!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Windows 7 truly is Vista 2. It&#8217;s a better implementation, by far, but it&#8221;s still Vista. Vista wasn&#8217;t all bad, mind you, just a lot of it. Even though I don&#8217;t think for a moment it will replace Leopard, let alone Snow Leopard, it is still the best that Microsoft has achieved in any OS. They copied from OS X, like they did with the new task bar, but they also added to it their own unique touch.  I hope Apple does likewise? </p>
<p>Vista sucked big time; but Windows 7 sucks less, and as such, I will probably add it as a secondary or guest OS when it comes out.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hoult</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Hoult]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@tom But in fairness there are a lot of things Microsoft does which do not make them money. There are a lot of things Microsoft does which annoy vendors. None of this is new.

It&#039;s a different model yes, but selling the same thing at different prices for different markets still makes sense. After all, I think most people will agree that with Linux on these cost next-to-nothing notebooks people are going to realise it&#039;s actually pretty good, and they don&#039;t need all the Windows-only crap-ware they thought they did. If that chunk of the market share goes it may not only steal from others, it may be lost forever.

I don&#039;t see why Dell would complain about getting a discount either, even if it&#039;s just on part of their range. It&#039;s still a discount and it&#039;s there to &quot;help Dell make the margins on the latest and greatest emerging market&quot;. Obviously the reality is that it&#039;s there to keep people using Windows on every platform.

To your second point: Microsoft and Adobe among many others give away software every day. When you price software as insanely as these guys do you know you are driving millions of people to pirate your product, not buy it. That&#039;s Adobes business model (drive the kids to pirate, learn it, get a job using it and force the boss to buy it). It&#039;s called &quot;taking one for the team&quot;. If you can afford to give 1 million copies away for netbooks then people will want another million copies at low cost for their desktops and another million at insane cost at work because it&#039;s just easier when it&#039;s all the same.

That&#039;s how I look at it anyway. It&#039;s the Wil Shipley marketing tactic and it&#039;s working pretty well so far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tom But in fairness there are a lot of things Microsoft does which do not make them money. There are a lot of things Microsoft does which annoy vendors. None of this is new.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a different model yes, but selling the same thing at different prices for different markets still makes sense. After all, I think most people will agree that with Linux on these cost next-to-nothing notebooks people are going to realise it&#8217;s actually pretty good, and they don&#8217;t need all the Windows-only crap-ware they thought they did. If that chunk of the market share goes it may not only steal from others, it may be lost forever.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why Dell would complain about getting a discount either, even if it&#8217;s just on part of their range. It&#8217;s still a discount and it&#8217;s there to &#8220;help Dell make the margins on the latest and greatest emerging market&#8221;. Obviously the reality is that it&#8217;s there to keep people using Windows on every platform.</p>
<p>To your second point: Microsoft and Adobe among many others give away software every day. When you price software as insanely as these guys do you know you are driving millions of people to pirate your product, not buy it. That&#8217;s Adobes business model (drive the kids to pirate, learn it, get a job using it and force the boss to buy it). It&#8217;s called &#8220;taking one for the team&#8221;. If you can afford to give 1 million copies away for netbooks then people will want another million copies at low cost for their desktops and another million at insane cost at work because it&#8217;s just easier when it&#8217;s all the same.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how I look at it anyway. It&#8217;s the Wil Shipley marketing tactic and it&#8217;s working pretty well so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/windows-7-editions-still-too-many/#comment-339414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PoBoy, I don&#039;t remember where I saw it, but the decision to call it Home Premium was because they determined that people thought they were being downgraded from Vista Home Premium to 7 Home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PoBoy, I don&#8217;t remember where I saw it, but the decision to call it Home Premium was because they determined that people thought they were being downgraded from Vista Home Premium to 7 Home.</p>
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