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		<title>By: sankalp</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316836</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sankalp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

Emansio is a Windows Mobile plug-in for pocket Outlook that enables push mail for most email providers like Google etc…

A free fully functional trial is available for download from www.emansio.com .

Regards,

Sankalp (Emansio Team)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Emansio is a Windows Mobile plug-in for pocket Outlook that enables push mail for most email providers like Google etc…</p>
<p>A free fully functional trial is available for download from <a href="http://www.emansio.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.emansio.com</a> .</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Sankalp (Emansio Team)</p>
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		<title>By: Balooka</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316835</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Balooka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone is forgetting one type of user:  People who&#039;d like to get rid of their PAGERS and hone down their belt devices to one.  It doesn&#039;t take an ultra-busy chatter to need this.  Just someone who needs to respond QUICKLY to occasional pager alerts.  I&#039;m a database engineer/DBA on-call 24x7, and customer like Verizon lose at least $100,000 per Hour in SLA penalties alone (not including lost opportunity costs) if their systems are running slow or down, etc (systems we maintain AND other systems we end up inheriting).  Lawyers and possibly Doctors have similar needs, although a reliable pager system may still be necessary where GUARANTEED DELIVERY is needed, e.g. in cases where lives are at risk (doctors) or possibly even with my technical customers like Verizon (liability abounds everywhere in this country).  So I myself am still bound to my pager, but some day hope to use PUSH email... anyone know if any service (maybe Chattermail etc) supports GUARANTEED DELIVERY?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is forgetting one type of user:  People who&#8217;d like to get rid of their PAGERS and hone down their belt devices to one.  It doesn&#8217;t take an ultra-busy chatter to need this.  Just someone who needs to respond QUICKLY to occasional pager alerts.  I&#8217;m a database engineer/DBA on-call 24&#215;7, and customer like Verizon lose at least $100,000 per Hour in SLA penalties alone (not including lost opportunity costs) if their systems are running slow or down, etc (systems we maintain AND other systems we end up inheriting).  Lawyers and possibly Doctors have similar needs, although a reliable pager system may still be necessary where GUARANTEED DELIVERY is needed, e.g. in cases where lives are at risk (doctors) or possibly even with my technical customers like Verizon (liability abounds everywhere in this country).  So I myself am still bound to my pager, but some day hope to use PUSH email&#8230; anyone know if any service (maybe Chattermail etc) supports GUARANTEED DELIVERY?</p>
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		<title>By: ProfTacl</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316834</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ProfTacl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 04:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Ben, getting a response with accurate, technical terminology gives you unambiguous information lacking in &quot;softer&quot; terminology.  Getting the correct names for things gives you the opportunity to look up those terms and get more depth if you want it.

To Rory and Richard, there&#039;s no call to take a high and mighty attitude with your responses.  Julian&#039;s question was earnest, and as the discussion developed (despite your attempt to quash it) many interesting facets to the technology were revealed (God is in the details).  Not only were the more obvious benefits of the interrupt model provided, such as lower network utilization and receiving messages sooner, but details that are not inherent in the interrupt model were also revealed, such as lower telephone bills (which depends upon the billing model) and longer battery life.  We also learned that there are both proprietary and standard methods of achieving push mail. We learned that the impact isn&#039;t only on the wireless network, but also on authentication servers and on log files.  We see that different people use the service differently, and that some people like push mail and some don&#039;t.

I think it was a valuable conversation.  Let&#039;s continue to encourage curiosity and education.  We were all newbies once, even if like me (it&#039;s been over 30 years) it&#039;s hard to remember when.  Even experts are still students (or should be).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ben, getting a response with accurate, technical terminology gives you unambiguous information lacking in &#8220;softer&#8221; terminology.  Getting the correct names for things gives you the opportunity to look up those terms and get more depth if you want it.</p>
<p>To Rory and Richard, there&#8217;s no call to take a high and mighty attitude with your responses.  Julian&#8217;s question was earnest, and as the discussion developed (despite your attempt to quash it) many interesting facets to the technology were revealed (God is in the details).  Not only were the more obvious benefits of the interrupt model provided, such as lower network utilization and receiving messages sooner, but details that are not inherent in the interrupt model were also revealed, such as lower telephone bills (which depends upon the billing model) and longer battery life.  We also learned that there are both proprietary and standard methods of achieving push mail. We learned that the impact isn&#8217;t only on the wireless network, but also on authentication servers and on log files.  We see that different people use the service differently, and that some people like push mail and some don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I think it was a valuable conversation.  Let&#8217;s continue to encourage curiosity and education.  We were all newbies once, even if like me (it&#8217;s been over 30 years) it&#8217;s hard to remember when.  Even experts are still students (or should be).</p>
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		<title>By: emozeoren</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316833</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[emozeoren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure there are a whole lot of non mac users here who&#039;d love to have push email capabilities on their current device.

emoze offers a solution: Emoze turns mobile phones and mobile devices in to fully functional personal communication devices with a single, simple and free download for the individual user.

It delivers real-time, secure synchronization of emails, calendars, contacts and tasks - pushing data and updates to you anytime, anywhere!

Download Emoze Today Free! www.emoze.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there are a whole lot of non mac users here who&#8217;d love to have push email capabilities on their current device.</p>
<p>emoze offers a solution: Emoze turns mobile phones and mobile devices in to fully functional personal communication devices with a single, simple and free download for the individual user.</p>
<p>It delivers real-time, secure synchronization of emails, calendars, contacts and tasks &#8211; pushing data and updates to you anytime, anywhere!</p>
<p>Download Emoze Today Free! <a href="http://www.emoze.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.emoze.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Claytron</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316832</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claytron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a new crackberry user and I wasn&#039;t fully aware what push email was until I started using it.  And quite frankly I don&#039;t like it.  I receive a ton of mail every day and I read most of it in my mail client.  I&#039;d rather have an IMAP client on the phone so that I have only mail I haven&#039;t read.  IMAP can use IDLE to &#039;push&#039; email to the mailbox.  Other than the fact that it is always out of sync it doesn&#039;t really matter to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a new crackberry user and I wasn&#8217;t fully aware what push email was until I started using it.  And quite frankly I don&#8217;t like it.  I receive a ton of mail every day and I read most of it in my mail client.  I&#8217;d rather have an IMAP client on the phone so that I have only mail I haven&#8217;t read.  IMAP can use IDLE to &#8216;push&#8217; email to the mailbox.  Other than the fact that it is always out of sync it doesn&#8217;t really matter to me.</p>
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		<title>By: lightspeed</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lightspeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sluggo

I think you will find that the most effective real time communication we have is the telephone.

If you have something to communicate that is urgent, then it is often far better to do it via voice than text. Do you really think effective people spend all day responding to urgent emails? This is one of the ultimate time wasting problems the &quot;modern&quot; workplace has - Itchy trigger fingers of people who mistake activity for for achievement. Real-time is really best done in real-time. Push-email is a small market  idea that has morphed into mass market to display status among peers:&quot;look how busy/important i am&quot;, like mobile phones in the &#039;80&#039;s; Not because people need it to be more effective.

For the urgent and important using your voice or actually talking face to face is best. That, is a fact.

As for those who require the latest and greatest in a vain attempt to look cool by increasing your visual status (trust me, you ain&#039;t fooling anyone...), surely your time would be better spent learning a little self discipline and creating some real action as opposed to simply adding to the noise that so distracts the rest of us trying to actually do something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sluggo</p>
<p>I think you will find that the most effective real time communication we have is the telephone.</p>
<p>If you have something to communicate that is urgent, then it is often far better to do it via voice than text. Do you really think effective people spend all day responding to urgent emails? This is one of the ultimate time wasting problems the &#8220;modern&#8221; workplace has &#8211; Itchy trigger fingers of people who mistake activity for for achievement. Real-time is really best done in real-time. Push-email is a small market  idea that has morphed into mass market to display status among peers:&#8221;look how busy/important i am&#8221;, like mobile phones in the &#8217;80&#8242;s; Not because people need it to be more effective.</p>
<p>For the urgent and important using your voice or actually talking face to face is best. That, is a fact.</p>
<p>As for those who require the latest and greatest in a vain attempt to look cool by increasing your visual status (trust me, you ain&#8217;t fooling anyone&#8230;), surely your time would be better spent learning a little self discipline and creating some real action as opposed to simply adding to the noise that so distracts the rest of us trying to actually do something.</p>
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		<title>By: Sluggo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316830</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sluggo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@lightspeed

You realize that some people&#039;s jobs involve communicating in real time?  You&#039;re so called &quot;fact&quot; is not a fact at all.  Some of us do real work via email.

Just because you sit in a cube all day producing TPS reports, doesn&#039;t mean the rest of us are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lightspeed</p>
<p>You realize that some people&#8217;s jobs involve communicating in real time?  You&#8217;re so called &#8220;fact&#8221; is not a fact at all.  Some of us do real work via email.</p>
<p>Just because you sit in a cube all day producing TPS reports, doesn&#8217;t mean the rest of us are.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316829</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Battery usage.

I had a Blackberry 8700 and replaced it with a Samsung Blackjack from Cingular.  Blackberry would push my POP/IMAP accounts, the Blackjack wouldn&#039;t.  I thought unboxing the Blackjack and finding a bonus battery was a boon, but it was a foreboding sign.

I set my Blackjack to check three IMAP email accounts every 15 minutes.  If I didn&#039;t receive/make any calls, my phone died in a day and a half.  If I made one 20 minute call, my standby time was less than 24 hours.

Took the Blackjack back and traded for a Blackberry Pearl.  Three days standby with about an hour of talk time per day (and in a smaller phone.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Battery usage.</p>
<p>I had a Blackberry 8700 and replaced it with a Samsung Blackjack from Cingular.  Blackberry would push my POP/IMAP accounts, the Blackjack wouldn&#8217;t.  I thought unboxing the Blackjack and finding a bonus battery was a boon, but it was a foreboding sign.</p>
<p>I set my Blackjack to check three IMAP email accounts every 15 minutes.  If I didn&#8217;t receive/make any calls, my phone died in a day and a half.  If I made one 20 minute call, my standby time was less than 24 hours.</p>
<p>Took the Blackjack back and traded for a Blackberry Pearl.  Three days standby with about an hour of talk time per day (and in a smaller phone.)</p>
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		<title>By: lightspeed</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lightspeed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hahah - reading this is pretty funny. Fact is that very very few people need to have thier email pushed to them instantly - if you are that busy passing messages about then you should likely get on with some real work and actually produce something of value instead of becoming a manic whirlwind of half finished stuff and pretending you are achieving something, then letting everyone else know by helpfully cc&#039;ing (and therefore interrupting) them too.

Turn off the 2 minute check and get back in control of your day. Good Grief!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahah &#8211; reading this is pretty funny. Fact is that very very few people need to have thier email pushed to them instantly &#8211; if you are that busy passing messages about then you should likely get on with some real work and actually produce something of value instead of becoming a manic whirlwind of half finished stuff and pretending you are achieving something, then letting everyone else know by helpfully cc&#8217;ing (and therefore interrupting) them too.</p>
<p>Turn off the 2 minute check and get back in control of your day. Good Grief!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Simitzis</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Simitzis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A better comparison than POP would be to compare push email with IMAP. An IMAP server that supports the IDLE command (which is just about all of them) provides the same functionality to the end user as push email. And if you wrap SSL around IMAP, you get a secure push email solution that&#039;s perfectly suitable for a corporate user. OS X Mail currently supports this (I use it), and I&#039;m assuming the iPhone&#039;s mail client will as well.

So, there really is no reason for proprietary push email services. The open standard approach does exactly the same thing, and you can use it with just about every ISP or hosted email service.

Currently (ie. until the iPhone comes out), I&#039;m using Chatteremail for the Treo. My desktop email (running on a Mac of course) and my mobile email are exactly the same, as both point to the same IMAP account. As soon as I receive an email, it appears instantly on both my Mac and my Treo. If I reply on my Treo, the reply is available in the Sent folder on both my Mac and my Treo, and the original message is flagged as &quot;replied&quot; on both. Both use the same address book, and since I use server side spam filtering, email on both devices is clean. This technology has been around for years and years, using open standards. So, if you don&#039;t want to use Blackberry, you&#039;re not missing anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A better comparison than POP would be to compare push email with IMAP. An IMAP server that supports the IDLE command (which is just about all of them) provides the same functionality to the end user as push email. And if you wrap SSL around IMAP, you get a secure push email solution that&#8217;s perfectly suitable for a corporate user. OS X Mail currently supports this (I use it), and I&#8217;m assuming the iPhone&#8217;s mail client will as well.</p>
<p>So, there really is no reason for proprietary push email services. The open standard approach does exactly the same thing, and you can use it with just about every ISP or hosted email service.</p>
<p>Currently (ie. until the iPhone comes out), I&#8217;m using Chatteremail for the Treo. My desktop email (running on a Mac of course) and my mobile email are exactly the same, as both point to the same IMAP account. As soon as I receive an email, it appears instantly on both my Mac and my Treo. If I reply on my Treo, the reply is available in the Sent folder on both my Mac and my Treo, and the original message is flagged as &#8220;replied&#8221; on both. Both use the same address book, and since I use server side spam filtering, email on both devices is clean. This technology has been around for years and years, using open standards. So, if you don&#8217;t want to use Blackberry, you&#8217;re not missing anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because of the Blackberry, and Blackberry and email-related addiction. That&#039;s the only reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of the Blackberry, and Blackberry and email-related addiction. That&#8217;s the only reason.</p>
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		<title>By: iphoneguy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iphoneguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its about reducing battery usage, its like the difference between 5 hours of talk time and 5 days of standby usage, thought on a lesser level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its about reducing battery usage, its like the difference between 5 hours of talk time and 5 days of standby usage, thought on a lesser level.</p>
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		<title>By: stormko</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stormko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I&#039;d like to know is why isn&#039;t Apple doing the same with their email system? This is their chance to do some interesting things with .Mac and the tight integration with the iPhone Apple could provide.

.Mac email seem to be a passing thought in Steve Jobs&#039; keynote. That seemed odd to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;d like to know is why isn&#8217;t Apple doing the same with their email system? This is their chance to do some interesting things with .Mac and the tight integration with the iPhone Apple could provide.</p>
<p>.Mac email seem to be a passing thought in Steve Jobs&#8217; keynote. That seemed odd to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave M.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316823</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with &quot;e&quot;, Brad and Ryan here. At work, I have conversations with co-workers in other parts of the country. We could use IM, but email is just easier and is on all our machines. Microsoft Exchange server basically does push email when someone sends you a message.

Also, polling a POP server every 5 seconds would create a log entry for each check of your account. That would create quite a large log file at the end of a day. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with &#8220;e&#8221;, Brad and Ryan here. At work, I have conversations with co-workers in other parts of the country. We could use IM, but email is just easier and is on all our machines. Microsoft Exchange server basically does push email when someone sends you a message.</p>
<p>Also, polling a POP server every 5 seconds would create a log entry for each check of your account. That would create quite a large log file at the end of a day. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/whats-with-push-email/#comment-316822</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another great feature of blackberry push mail is that if someone sends you say a 5mb image, the blackberry server opens it, resizes it for the bb screen and then sends it to me. That is great for obvious reasons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great feature of blackberry push mail is that if someone sends you say a 5mb image, the blackberry server opens it, resizes it for the bb screen and then sends it to me. That is great for obvious reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Starr.com : Nick Starr dot com &#187; &#8220;What&#8217;s with push email?&#8221; Oh brother</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Starr.com : Nick Starr dot com &#187; &#8220;What&#8217;s with push email?&#8221; Oh brother]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I don&#8217;t want to start anything here, but over at The Apple Blog, there is a post asking what is so special about push email. Being a Blackberry diehard, I have to say that the author might be in for a bit of verbal bashing from other Blackberry users. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I don&#8217;t want to start anything here, but over at The Apple Blog, there is a post asking what is so special about push email. Being a Blackberry diehard, I have to say that the author might be in for a bit of verbal bashing from other Blackberry users. [...]</p>
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