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		<title>By: dark_thug</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/wah-i-cant-install-an-app-on-iphone-and-why-i-dont-care/#comment-316896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dark_thug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well i was doing some research on iphone i found out they locked the phone for security, well thats a bad idea look at PSP flowing with homebrew and im 100% sure that iphone has an exploit its still an OS, well its a bad idea to lock down the iphone.

iphone + exploit + homebrew = virus/malwares/brickers(PSP term)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i was doing some research on iphone i found out they locked the phone for security, well thats a bad idea look at PSP flowing with homebrew and im 100% sure that iphone has an exploit its still an OS, well its a bad idea to lock down the iphone.</p>
<p>iphone + exploit + homebrew = virus/malwares/brickers(PSP term)</p>
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		<title>By: dark_thug</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/wah-i-cant-install-an-app-on-iphone-and-why-i-dont-care/#comment-316895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dark_thug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well yes iphones design is slick but what can u do more? call and send sms listen to mp3s browse the web? wheres the power on that? wheres the custom apps to die for? like porting quake and some other popular softwares out there, what will happend is this phone will be no fun even the design is good insted of buying this phone ill chose the old phones insted much cheaper and same fuctions ^_^ well i was expecting that this will be a REAL OSX, yea its real but how come u cannot install apps? so why tell the community thats its OSX if u cant use it as the real thing]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well yes iphones design is slick but what can u do more? call and send sms listen to mp3s browse the web? wheres the power on that? wheres the custom apps to die for? like porting quake and some other popular softwares out there, what will happend is this phone will be no fun even the design is good insted of buying this phone ill chose the old phones insted much cheaper and same fuctions ^_^ well i was expecting that this will be a REAL OSX, yea its real but how come u cannot install apps? so why tell the community thats its OSX if u cant use it as the real thing</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/wah-i-cant-install-an-app-on-iphone-and-why-i-dont-care/#comment-316894</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;In the iPhone’s case, it’s an iPod that can be a phone and that’s how it is being marketed. There are points backing up my argument when people stop thinking of it as a smart phone/pda and more like an iPod.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Fair enough, and I agree that Apple would love for people to see it as a consumer-level device, an iPod + a cell phone.

There are three big problems with that, though: 1) it&#039;s 500-600 dollars, 2) their own keynote called out smartphones as their competitors -- the Motorola Q instead of the RAZR, for instance, and 3) it&#039;s presented as doing the things a smartphone does. By that I mean the main interface isn&#039;t a music player that also makes phone calls, but a suite of components.

And yeah, it really is a big deal that we can&#039;t install stuff on this device. For one thing, the current data rates away from a WiFi hot spot are anything but &quot;high speed.&quot; Plus, they&#039;re expensive. Even if those two points weren&#039;t enough to kill it, a web-based app (especially if Flash and Java aren&#039;t supported, and most reports indicate they won&#039;t be) isn&#039;t going to be as good an experience. Otherwise, I could just say my RAZR phone can do anything I could possibly want using its web browser -- obviously, it can&#039;t. And on top of that, a web-based app can&#039;t access data elsewhere on the phone -- for instance, some kind of todo list app that incorporates your mail attachments and address book contacts.

I hope you&#039;re right, and Apple does address third party support. From what I&#039;ve seen, that&#039;s the biggest early complaint against the iPhone so far. (Apart from Cingular exclusivity, which sounds like it&#039;s an insoluble problem for now). I&#039;m not optimistic about it, though. Every independent app means they lose a potential sale over the iTunes Store, and Apple doesn&#039;t have a good track record of altruism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In the iPhone’s case, it’s an iPod that can be a phone and that’s how it is being marketed. There are points backing up my argument when people stop thinking of it as a smart phone/pda and more like an iPod.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fair enough, and I agree that Apple would love for people to see it as a consumer-level device, an iPod + a cell phone.</p>
<p>There are three big problems with that, though: 1) it&#8217;s 500-600 dollars, 2) their own keynote called out smartphones as their competitors &#8212; the Motorola Q instead of the RAZR, for instance, and 3) it&#8217;s presented as doing the things a smartphone does. By that I mean the main interface isn&#8217;t a music player that also makes phone calls, but a suite of components.</p>
<p>And yeah, it really is a big deal that we can&#8217;t install stuff on this device. For one thing, the current data rates away from a WiFi hot spot are anything but &#8220;high speed.&#8221; Plus, they&#8217;re expensive. Even if those two points weren&#8217;t enough to kill it, a web-based app (especially if Flash and Java aren&#8217;t supported, and most reports indicate they won&#8217;t be) isn&#8217;t going to be as good an experience. Otherwise, I could just say my RAZR phone can do anything I could possibly want using its web browser &#8212; obviously, it can&#8217;t. And on top of that, a web-based app can&#8217;t access data elsewhere on the phone &#8212; for instance, some kind of todo list app that incorporates your mail attachments and address book contacts.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re right, and Apple does address third party support. From what I&#8217;ve seen, that&#8217;s the biggest early complaint against the iPhone so far. (Apart from Cingular exclusivity, which sounds like it&#8217;s an insoluble problem for now). I&#8217;m not optimistic about it, though. Every independent app means they lose a potential sale over the iTunes Store, and Apple doesn&#8217;t have a good track record of altruism.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Baur</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Baur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Chuck those sentences are sarcasm, albeit very terse to the developers

My point is very simply that the Mac community is highly talented and creative. Is it that big of a deal that we can&#039;t install stuff on this device when it has Wi Fi and high speed cellular data access? Why couldn&#039;t we be creative with this, running an app within Safari and providing creative ways that the zoom functions perform?

I do believe that Apple will, by choice or not, have to address the third party developer issue. I have no contempt for them, it&#039;s what makes this platform amazing. In the iPhone&#039;s case, it&#039;s an iPod that can be a phone and that&#039;s how it is being marketed. There are points backing up my argument when people stop thinking of it as a smart phone/pda and more like an iPod.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chuck those sentences are sarcasm, albeit very terse to the developers</p>
<p>My point is very simply that the Mac community is highly talented and creative. Is it that big of a deal that we can&#8217;t install stuff on this device when it has Wi Fi and high speed cellular data access? Why couldn&#8217;t we be creative with this, running an app within Safari and providing creative ways that the zoom functions perform?</p>
<p>I do believe that Apple will, by choice or not, have to address the third party developer issue. I have no contempt for them, it&#8217;s what makes this platform amazing. In the iPhone&#8217;s case, it&#8217;s an iPod that can be a phone and that&#8217;s how it is being marketed. There are points backing up my argument when people stop thinking of it as a smart phone/pda and more like an iPod.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/wah-i-cant-install-an-app-on-iphone-and-why-i-dont-care/#comment-316892</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the author of the post: instead of saying &quot;Wah!&quot; and telling us to &quot;get over it,&quot; why don&#039;t you tell us instead what kind of data plan you have with your cell carrier? I&#039;m guessing you either got a sweet deal, or else this blogging gig is making you some insane cash. Otherwise you wouldn&#039;t be recommending having to go to a web server (and over a slow connection, unless you happen to be near a WiFi hotspot) for even some of the simplest apps that won&#039;t be included with version 1.0 of the iPhone. Like an OmniOutliner-style to-do list, for instance.

The most convincing argument to make the iPhone an open system is right there in the keynote, every time the phone gets turned on its side. It switches to CoverFlow, which wasn&#039;t made by the geniuses at Apple but by a freeware developer who had access to an open development system. From the looks of things, the software included with the phone is nice. The software that could be developed by the thousands of developers out there who are excited about the phone, could be even better. The only reason not to let them do it: Apple and Cingular&#039;s greed. Simple as that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the author of the post: instead of saying &#8220;Wah!&#8221; and telling us to &#8220;get over it,&#8221; why don&#8217;t you tell us instead what kind of data plan you have with your cell carrier? I&#8217;m guessing you either got a sweet deal, or else this blogging gig is making you some insane cash. Otherwise you wouldn&#8217;t be recommending having to go to a web server (and over a slow connection, unless you happen to be near a WiFi hotspot) for even some of the simplest apps that won&#8217;t be included with version 1.0 of the iPhone. Like an OmniOutliner-style to-do list, for instance.</p>
<p>The most convincing argument to make the iPhone an open system is right there in the keynote, every time the phone gets turned on its side. It switches to CoverFlow, which wasn&#8217;t made by the geniuses at Apple but by a freeware developer who had access to an open development system. From the looks of things, the software included with the phone is nice. The software that could be developed by the thousands of developers out there who are excited about the phone, could be even better. The only reason not to let them do it: Apple and Cingular&#8217;s greed. Simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Paradigm shift: Could the iPhone serve as a MacBook Pro Lite? - MacNN Forums</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/wah-i-cant-install-an-app-on-iphone-and-why-i-dont-care/#comment-316891</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paradigm shift: Could the iPhone serve as a MacBook Pro Lite? - MacNN Forums]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Apple didn&#039;t say thid party development is prohibited but it&#039;s certainly not being encouraged just yet...  Wah! I can&#8217;t install an app on iPhone and why I don&#8217;t care at The Apple Blog  O&#039;Grady&#039;s PowerPage - Your Mobile Technology Destination    __________________ You can bend my ear. We can talk all day. Just make sure I&#039;m around When you&#039;ve finally got something to say. -- TOAD THE WET SPROCKET [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Apple didn&#8217;t say thid party development is prohibited but it&#8217;s certainly not being encouraged just yet&#8230;  Wah! I can&#8217;t install an app on iPhone and why I don&#8217;t care at The Apple Blog  O&#8217;Grady&#8217;s PowerPage &#8211; Your Mobile Technology Destination    __________________ You can bend my ear. We can talk all day. Just make sure I&#8217;m around When you&#8217;ve finally got something to say. &#8212; TOAD THE WET SPROCKET [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Djehuty</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/wah-i-cant-install-an-app-on-iphone-and-why-i-dont-care/#comment-316890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Djehuty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think people have the reasoning wrong. Apple won&#039;t allow uncertified apps on the iPhone because they don&#039;t want anyone writing a VOIP app in case it messes with Apple&#039;s deals with Cingular or whoever. The phone uses WiFi when available, if it would make voice calls that way then the phone companies would be looking at the end of their fake monopoly. Any ISP can steal their business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people have the reasoning wrong. Apple won&#8217;t allow uncertified apps on the iPhone because they don&#8217;t want anyone writing a VOIP app in case it messes with Apple&#8217;s deals with Cingular or whoever. The phone uses WiFi when available, if it would make voice calls that way then the phone companies would be looking at the end of their fake monopoly. Any ISP can steal their business.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Simitzis</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/wah-i-cant-install-an-app-on-iphone-and-why-i-dont-care/#comment-316889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Simitzis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The iPhone will be an open platform for development, whether or not Apple is planning on it. I&#039;m giving it three weeks after the release date until it&#039;s opened up by someone clever with a lot of free time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iPhone will be an open platform for development, whether or not Apple is planning on it. I&#8217;m giving it three weeks after the release date until it&#8217;s opened up by someone clever with a lot of free time.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;If you want to develop for the iPhone, you are going to have to sign an agreement with Apple - which implies you’ll need to be a &#039;big player&#039;.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, here&#039;s my problem:  Apple decides whether or not my &quot;great idea&quot; for a phone application is worthy.  By the way, do you think Apple will ever say &quot;No&quot;?  Remember, Apple doesn&#039;t say &quot;No.&quot;  They say nothing because even saying &quot;No&quot; might give some meaning to their future plans.

Here&#039;s how it works:

Step 1:  I present my &quot;great idea&quot; to Apple in order to get software developer kits and such that I need to develop on for the iPhone.
Step 2:  Nothing happens.
Step 3:  The person I spoke with at Apple stops returning my calls.
Step 4:  Six months pass.
Step 5:  One year passes.
Step 6:  Steve Jobs gets up on stage to announce an amazing new &quot;iGreatIdea&quot; app that Apple has developed.

Of course, there&#039;s no way of knowing if Apple took my great idea or if they had already been developing my great idea.

Now tell me what business is actually going to take that chance?

Here&#039;s the problem, as I see it:  Apple is selling something which is not a &quot;smart phone&quot; at a &quot;smart phone&quot; price.  Now, I think they iPhone is way cool.  I think the interface is awesome.  But it&#039;s also too expensive for what it does.  I&#039;ll be able to spend the same money in six months and have a phone that does more.  Or I can spend less money on a phone that does what Apple&#039;s does.

Apple will sell a bunch of these initially, to the MacHeads that just gotta have it.  But I think it will be a less popular device at $500.  On the other hand, when Apple releases the iPod and especially the iPod nano with this interface, they are going to sell an absolute metric ton of these.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;If you want to develop for the iPhone, you are going to have to sign an agreement with Apple &#8211; which implies you’ll need to be a &#8216;big player&#8217;.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, here&#8217;s my problem:  Apple decides whether or not my &#8220;great idea&#8221; for a phone application is worthy.  By the way, do you think Apple will ever say &#8220;No&#8221;?  Remember, Apple doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;No.&#8221;  They say nothing because even saying &#8220;No&#8221; might give some meaning to their future plans.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how it works:</p>
<p>Step 1:  I present my &#8220;great idea&#8221; to Apple in order to get software developer kits and such that I need to develop on for the iPhone.<br />
Step 2:  Nothing happens.<br />
Step 3:  The person I spoke with at Apple stops returning my calls.<br />
Step 4:  Six months pass.<br />
Step 5:  One year passes.<br />
Step 6:  Steve Jobs gets up on stage to announce an amazing new &#8220;iGreatIdea&#8221; app that Apple has developed.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s no way of knowing if Apple took my great idea or if they had already been developing my great idea.</p>
<p>Now tell me what business is actually going to take that chance?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the problem, as I see it:  Apple is selling something which is not a &#8220;smart phone&#8221; at a &#8220;smart phone&#8221; price.  Now, I think they iPhone is way cool.  I think the interface is awesome.  But it&#8217;s also too expensive for what it does.  I&#8217;ll be able to spend the same money in six months and have a phone that does more.  Or I can spend less money on a phone that does what Apple&#8217;s does.</p>
<p>Apple will sell a bunch of these initially, to the MacHeads that just gotta have it.  But I think it will be a less popular device at $500.  On the other hand, when Apple releases the iPod and especially the iPod nano with this interface, they are going to sell an absolute metric ton of these.</p>
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		<title>By: JulesLt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JulesLt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The issue with any Flash or AJAX based apps is going to be that they won&#039;t utilise the gestural interface - unless Apple specifically adds JavaScript extensions to allow this - so we&#039;ll be stuck with point, click and maybe drag-drop as interactions, rather than any of the coolness that &#039;native&#039; apps will allow.

That and the fact that JavaScript is (currently) way slower than native or Flash apps - might change if they embed Adobe&#039;s VM as Mozilla are.

What&#039;s still unclear - to me - is whether third-party Widgets will be allowed - are widgets applications or not. And do any of the widgets shown support gestures?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue with any Flash or AJAX based apps is going to be that they won&#8217;t utilise the gestural interface &#8211; unless Apple specifically adds JavaScript extensions to allow this &#8211; so we&#8217;ll be stuck with point, click and maybe drag-drop as interactions, rather than any of the coolness that &#8216;native&#8217; apps will allow.</p>
<p>That and the fact that JavaScript is (currently) way slower than native or Flash apps &#8211; might change if they embed Adobe&#8217;s VM as Mozilla are.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s still unclear &#8211; to me &#8211; is whether third-party Widgets will be allowed &#8211; are widgets applications or not. And do any of the widgets shown support gestures?</p>
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