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	<title>Comments on: Sussing Out the New Apple Notebook Value Sweet Spot</title>
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		<title>By: brett</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/sussing-out-the-new-apple-notebook-value-sweet-spot/#comment-333693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m always happy when Apple brings out new models, because I then go out and buy the previous one at a major discount. It&#039;s saved me thousands of dollars over the last decade and a half, and because my uses don&#039;t require the latest and greatest tech, I&#039;ve never felt deprived. This time, I pounced on a previous-generation MacBook Air with bundled external superdrive for $1500 - $400 less than a new one. It&#039;s a birthday present for my wife, who can lift only 5 lbs -- the first computer she&#039;s ever been able to lift on her own.

The drawbacks were the smallish 80GB hard drive (but she uses external drives for all her photos anyway), the smaller screen (so far, no complaints from dropping down from a 17&quot; PowerBook), and the paucity of ports (turns out she&#039;s not even bought the USB hub we thought she&#039;d need, and her peripherals don&#039;t require FireWire). Performance is plenty snappy for her needs (mostly photography) so it seems like a good choice for her particular needs and a nice price break.
The only problem is that I now have a serious case of Air envy! What a beautiful machine, and the 2 lb. weight difference between it and my MacBook makes more of a difference than I&#039;d imagined. I console myself with the knowledge that I got a similar price break on my black MacBook when I bought a previous generation model last year, and it&#039;s more than adequate for my needs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always happy when Apple brings out new models, because I then go out and buy the previous one at a major discount. It&#8217;s saved me thousands of dollars over the last decade and a half, and because my uses don&#8217;t require the latest and greatest tech, I&#8217;ve never felt deprived. This time, I pounced on a previous-generation MacBook Air with bundled external superdrive for $1500 &#8211; $400 less than a new one. It&#8217;s a birthday present for my wife, who can lift only 5 lbs &#8212; the first computer she&#8217;s ever been able to lift on her own.</p>
<p>The drawbacks were the smallish 80GB hard drive (but she uses external drives for all her photos anyway), the smaller screen (so far, no complaints from dropping down from a 17&#8243; PowerBook), and the paucity of ports (turns out she&#8217;s not even bought the USB hub we thought she&#8217;d need, and her peripherals don&#8217;t require FireWire). Performance is plenty snappy for her needs (mostly photography) so it seems like a good choice for her particular needs and a nice price break.<br />
The only problem is that I now have a serious case of Air envy! What a beautiful machine, and the 2 lb. weight difference between it and my MacBook makes more of a difference than I&#8217;d imagined. I console myself with the knowledge that I got a similar price break on my black MacBook when I bought a previous generation model last year, and it&#8217;s more than adequate for my needs.</p>
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		<title>By: George Lien</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/sussing-out-the-new-apple-notebook-value-sweet-spot/#comment-333708</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Lien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good question.  Tough choice.

The Gen-4 MacBook is plenty portable speed for me.  Now, you want to choose between a Gen-5 and the latest Gen-6 MacBook with supposedly 5-times the graphic speed.

I guess you need to ask yourself whether the applications you do are graphic intensive.

If the answer is no, I would go with the black Gen-5 MacBook and invest the price difference on maxing out the memory from 2GB to 4GB.


BR,

George Lien]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question.  Tough choice.</p>
<p>The Gen-4 MacBook is plenty portable speed for me.  Now, you want to choose between a Gen-5 and the latest Gen-6 MacBook with supposedly 5-times the graphic speed.</p>
<p>I guess you need to ask yourself whether the applications you do are graphic intensive.</p>
<p>If the answer is no, I would go with the black Gen-5 MacBook and invest the price difference on maxing out the memory from 2GB to 4GB.</p>
<p>BR,</p>
<p>George Lien</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/sussing-out-the-new-apple-notebook-value-sweet-spot/#comment-333707</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m looking for advice. I&#039;m deciding between two models that have the same price:  the new MacBook (2.0GHz/160GB) vs. the last generation black MacBook on clearance (2.4GHz/250GB). I understand that the new screen&#039;s backlit LED is an improvement over the black MacBook (although I see in this review that it suffers compared to the MB Pro). And the new MacBooks have a bus speed that may (or may not?) make up for the .4GHz extra processor speed. I ask because many folks love the black MacBook and the price has dropped. I&#039;m switching from PC, so no firewire isn&#039;t a problem for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking for advice. I&#8217;m deciding between two models that have the same price:  the new MacBook (2.0GHz/160GB) vs. the last generation black MacBook on clearance (2.4GHz/250GB). I understand that the new screen&#8217;s backlit LED is an improvement over the black MacBook (although I see in this review that it suffers compared to the MB Pro). And the new MacBooks have a bus speed that may (or may not?) make up for the .4GHz extra processor speed. I ask because many folks love the black MacBook and the price has dropped. I&#8217;m switching from PC, so no firewire isn&#8217;t a problem for me.</p>
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		<title>By: I Chose a New MacBook &#124; The Apple Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/sussing-out-the-new-apple-notebook-value-sweet-spot/#comment-333706</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Chose a New MacBook &#124; The Apple Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] TAB writer, Charles Moore, wrote a great article about why it’s a good idea to seriously consider the “mature technology” of a refurbished Mac [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TAB writer, Charles Moore, wrote a great article about why it’s a good idea to seriously consider the “mature technology” of a refurbished Mac [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nickyp</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/sussing-out-the-new-apple-notebook-value-sweet-spot/#comment-333705</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nickyp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a lot of value indeed for certain customers in last-gen Macbooks Pro&#039;s: multiple Firewire ports (although not on separate controllers, so no speed/stability gain) and the matte screens rate very high in my book. If you&#039;ve got a mix of FW400 and FW800 devices it&#039;s the best option to weather the demise of firewire for another year.

Although you&#039;ll be impressed with the performance and battery life of any of the Intel Macs, you will notice a difference with the PowerPC generation. They were a lot more stable IMHO. Better firewire chips/design and stability (especially for my audio interfaces), less USB driver problems (again: audio interfaces), more consistent sleep behaviour, generally more stable in general but that may be a Leopard thing.

They&#039;re still solid laptops, but my powerbooks were absolutely rock-solid in every way, but I couldn&#039;t stand their performance after I bought a Mac Pro last year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot of value indeed for certain customers in last-gen Macbooks Pro&#8217;s: multiple Firewire ports (although not on separate controllers, so no speed/stability gain) and the matte screens rate very high in my book. If you&#8217;ve got a mix of FW400 and FW800 devices it&#8217;s the best option to weather the demise of firewire for another year.</p>
<p>Although you&#8217;ll be impressed with the performance and battery life of any of the Intel Macs, you will notice a difference with the PowerPC generation. They were a lot more stable IMHO. Better firewire chips/design and stability (especially for my audio interfaces), less USB driver problems (again: audio interfaces), more consistent sleep behaviour, generally more stable in general but that may be a Leopard thing.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re still solid laptops, but my powerbooks were absolutely rock-solid in every way, but I couldn&#8217;t stand their performance after I bought a Mac Pro last year.</p>
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		<title>By: George Lien</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/sussing-out-the-new-apple-notebook-value-sweet-spot/#comment-333704</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Lien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right now I&#039;m typing this on a late 2007 black MacBook, which I&#039;m very happy with.  The new MacBooks look nice, but not including a FireWire port makes me wonder why I would choose such machine over a MacBook Air.

Maybe Apple&#039;s plan was to have us to buy more MacBook Air and less MacBook?

I don&#039;t know.

What do you think?


BR,

George Lien]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now I&#8217;m typing this on a late 2007 black MacBook, which I&#8217;m very happy with.  The new MacBooks look nice, but not including a FireWire port makes me wonder why I would choose such machine over a MacBook Air.</p>
<p>Maybe Apple&#8217;s plan was to have us to buy more MacBook Air and less MacBook?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>BR,</p>
<p>George Lien</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/sussing-out-the-new-apple-notebook-value-sweet-spot/#comment-333703</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the &quot;Rev A&quot; curse. Eversince the iPhone and the Macbook Air I feel that Apple has been already releasing solid reliable &quot;rev A&quot; machines. If you are willing to plunck down the change I feel that the low end unibody Macbook is probably a solid value. Of course refurbished Macbook Pros are also a outstanding deal but in my experience the build quality of the last generation is a bit lacking and much more fragile then the unibody Macbook/Macbook Pros.

I&#039;m a purchasing offiser for a small company that just bought 7 Macbook Pros and just after a year we had to send 4 back to Apple for mother board replacements. The other 3 had small minor QC quirks like the keyboard letters rubbing off, the lid wraping and random heat problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the &#8220;Rev A&#8221; curse. Eversince the iPhone and the Macbook Air I feel that Apple has been already releasing solid reliable &#8220;rev A&#8221; machines. If you are willing to plunck down the change I feel that the low end unibody Macbook is probably a solid value. Of course refurbished Macbook Pros are also a outstanding deal but in my experience the build quality of the last generation is a bit lacking and much more fragile then the unibody Macbook/Macbook Pros.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a purchasing offiser for a small company that just bought 7 Macbook Pros and just after a year we had to send 4 back to Apple for mother board replacements. The other 3 had small minor QC quirks like the keyboard letters rubbing off, the lid wraping and random heat problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Oh Blah Dee Blah Dah;

You have me nailed temperamentally as far as cars go. I&#039;ve owned over 50 in 41 years, and the newest was three years old when I bought it. My current rides are a 1990 Toyota Camry and a 1994 Mazda B-4000 4x4 pickup. I do like driving Mercedes and BMWs, but never found the right deal.

A former neighbor of mine always drove used Cadillacs. He said it amused him when folks would make comments like &quot;must be nice to be able to afford a car like that,&quot; then drive away in a new econobox that had cost them two or three times what he paid for his current used Caddy of the day.

CM]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Oh Blah Dee Blah Dah;</p>
<p>You have me nailed temperamentally as far as cars go. I&#8217;ve owned over 50 in 41 years, and the newest was three years old when I bought it. My current rides are a 1990 Toyota Camry and a 1994 Mazda B-4000 4&#215;4 pickup. I do like driving Mercedes and BMWs, but never found the right deal.</p>
<p>A former neighbor of mine always drove used Cadillacs. He said it amused him when folks would make comments like &#8220;must be nice to be able to afford a car like that,&#8221; then drive away in a new econobox that had cost them two or three times what he paid for his current used Caddy of the day.</p>
<p>CM</p>
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		<title>By: Oh Blah Dee Blah Dah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oh Blah Dee Blah Dah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: &quot;There definitely seems to be a pattern established here.&quot;

=====================
You are like a used car buyer. You are the type that always drives a Mercedes or a BMW, but it is always purchased used.

The world needs someone to help with recycling, and you are doing a good job of it, and you are making a market for the earlier Macs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;There definitely seems to be a pattern established here.&#8221;</p>
<p>=====================<br />
You are like a used car buyer. You are the type that always drives a Mercedes or a BMW, but it is always purchased used.</p>
<p>The world needs someone to help with recycling, and you are doing a good job of it, and you are making a market for the earlier Macs.</p>
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		<title>By: Vague Nomenclature</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vague Nomenclature]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been an early Mac adopter twice. I got the first beige G3 desktop and the first flat-screen, all-in-one iMac. There were a few troubles, but mostly software, and nothing that caused any downtime.

About four months ago, I needed a new laptop to replace a borrowed one aluminum MBP I had to return to its owner. I bought a brand new, next to the last MPB for about the same price as a the top of the line MBs at the time. Got a great deal and it&#039;s an awesome machine. I keep my Macs about 8-9 years before replacing them, so I&#039;m good for a while.

But, if I could have waited until today to buy, the temptation to come up with a few hundred more would have been too great. I absolutely love the idea of the billet aluminum chassis. And that graphics card has got to be sweeeeet.

So, yeah. Buy the last gen, knowing that on your next go around, you can get the newest config at a discount.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been an early Mac adopter twice. I got the first beige G3 desktop and the first flat-screen, all-in-one iMac. There were a few troubles, but mostly software, and nothing that caused any downtime.</p>
<p>About four months ago, I needed a new laptop to replace a borrowed one aluminum MBP I had to return to its owner. I bought a brand new, next to the last MPB for about the same price as a the top of the line MBs at the time. Got a great deal and it&#8217;s an awesome machine. I keep my Macs about 8-9 years before replacing them, so I&#8217;m good for a while.</p>
<p>But, if I could have waited until today to buy, the temptation to come up with a few hundred more would have been too great. I absolutely love the idea of the billet aluminum chassis. And that graphics card has got to be sweeeeet.</p>
<p>So, yeah. Buy the last gen, knowing that on your next go around, you can get the newest config at a discount.</p>
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