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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And to rub salt in the wounds Net Applications readjusted the figures to show a less US-centric market share and Apple dropped below 5%.  

Apple - Going nowhere and fast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to rub salt in the wounds Net Applications readjusted the figures to show a less US-centric market share and Apple dropped below 5%.  </p>
<p>Apple &#8211; Going nowhere and fast.</p>
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		<title>By: GOD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GOD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AND Mac sales did not take 30% sales. AS predicted you were WRONG &#039;E&#039;. Apple will never have the big share, it won&#039;t even pass 15% in the next 5 years. It will probably fall below 5% considering Jobs is about to die, and Microsoft is getting ready to release Windows 7. 

Also Linux people who think this is THE year for linux, please STFU. You&#039;ve been saying the samething for 20 years &quot;THIS IS THE YEAR FOR LINUX!!! OMFG!!!! YES!!!!&quot; No linux is going to be dealing with scraps of the OS industry, as usual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND Mac sales did not take 30% sales. AS predicted you were WRONG &#8216;E&#8217;. Apple will never have the big share, it won&#8217;t even pass 15% in the next 5 years. It will probably fall below 5% considering Jobs is about to die, and Microsoft is getting ready to release Windows 7. </p>
<p>Also Linux people who think this is THE year for linux, please STFU. You&#8217;ve been saying the samething for 20 years &#8220;THIS IS THE YEAR FOR LINUX!!! OMFG!!!! YES!!!!&#8221; No linux is going to be dealing with scraps of the OS industry, as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: rasmasyean</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rasmasyean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In those stats keep in mind that since Macs (and Linux) has less applications, users tend to surf the web a lot more.  And there are many Windows machines used mostly for work so they don’t surf the web as much.  There are a LOT more Windows installations than that graph says.  Think about all those gamers and Office users.  And besides, that firm prolly logs mostly US sites so that’s where Apple is highly concentrated.
Linux “desktops” are very few and far between.  It is mostly used for servers in those server versions.  A lot for Web.  Google “Netcraft”.  OVERALL servers is ruled by MS anyway.  Google “IDC server market”.  Linux desktop was a nice idea to make cheap computers for poor communities and such.  But it’s going to fade away now because Windows XP can run on most of those XO laptops and governments want Windows XP to train their kids on “world class software” instead of obscure IT stuff that barely anyone uses.

I think the only other chance Linux had to rule a segment was in “equipment”.  But being open source it was hard to make money on linux stuff so no one developed software for it and evolved it.  So Windows once again rules the embedded OS’s on industrial equipment and hospitals and retail and airports and too many other to list.  Even WinCE rules handheld equipment…another sector that Linux’s low footprint “would have” given it a good chance.  But as with anything that’s “hard to make money off of”, not many want to take it seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In those stats keep in mind that since Macs (and Linux) has less applications, users tend to surf the web a lot more.  And there are many Windows machines used mostly for work so they don’t surf the web as much.  There are a LOT more Windows installations than that graph says.  Think about all those gamers and Office users.  And besides, that firm prolly logs mostly US sites so that’s where Apple is highly concentrated.<br />
Linux “desktops” are very few and far between.  It is mostly used for servers in those server versions.  A lot for Web.  Google “Netcraft”.  OVERALL servers is ruled by MS anyway.  Google “IDC server market”.  Linux desktop was a nice idea to make cheap computers for poor communities and such.  But it’s going to fade away now because Windows XP can run on most of those XO laptops and governments want Windows XP to train their kids on “world class software” instead of obscure IT stuff that barely anyone uses.</p>
<p>I think the only other chance Linux had to rule a segment was in “equipment”.  But being open source it was hard to make money on linux stuff so no one developed software for it and evolved it.  So Windows once again rules the embedded OS’s on industrial equipment and hospitals and retail and airports and too many other to list.  Even WinCE rules handheld equipment…another sector that Linux’s low footprint “would have” given it a good chance.  But as with anything that’s “hard to make money off of”, not many want to take it seriously.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom Reestman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Reestman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy, I don’t check the site all day and look at the comments I miss! Just a few of my own:

E,

I find the polling information interesting, and I don’t mind looking at US (and then global) share. However, I sometimes wonder about just using retail. It’s great of course to show how incredibly successful Apple’s retail stores are. But it’s not the primary model Dell and HP use, so it’s kind of an Apples to Oranges comparison. I mean, even if they get 30% of US retail they’ll still likely be third in the US.


Techslacker,

“All I know is I don’t need Apple to have a 30% marketshare to enjoy owning and using my Macs.”

Amen to that. At some point, Apple may get enough share that it’s actually a hindrance (in terms of support obligations, etc.). On the other hand, to do that they’d need to implement some of the silly things analysts want them to do (cheap macs, license OS X, an iPhone nano, etc.), and I don’t see them going there.


Tobin,

“Mac is good for Mac stuff (art/school crowd mostly). Windows is good for everything else (work, games, etc). This isn’t changing any time soon. For every Mac software title out there, there are 20+ Windows titles.”

Oh please. 1989 called. It wants it’s silly Mac excuses back.


Druid Dude,

“Macs will not get 30%. The reasons? Recession and price.”

You could very well be right. Honestly, I don’t think anyone knows what the economy is doing to Xmas shopping. While Black Friday was not a boon over last year, analysts had to fall all over themselves -- and go out of their way -- to explain why the numbers were much “worse” than they looked. And most of them had to admit that Apple’s weren’t bad.


Ron Johnson:

“Linux is barely relevant statistically at 0.83 percent - that’s less than the 1.95% for “Other”. I have to say, that surprises me.”

Why? I ran Linux a while back, but I’m a bit of a geek. Being free doesn’t mean anything to the vast majority of people when you get an OS with your PC anyway.


dusanmal,

“Few crucial problems with the methodology:”

You brought up good points, and I could bring up more. The fact is, as I’ve said in the past, this is not a particularly exact method of calculating OS share (nor browser share, which is another data point they provide). Still, if the methodology stays the same from year to year, and you gather and use it for historical purposes, then the trends it reveals are interesting.


Francis,

The numbers I used in the article do NOT include the iPhone/iPod touch. The data is available, and I would maybe have included it if I also had the Windows Mobile numbers, but the latter are not provided. For the record, Mobile OS X was closing in on .4%.


W,

“Looks like all the stuff being touted by Apple is pretty false. Vista adoption has been much much greater than Mac adoption.”

I don’t recall Apple saying Vista adoption was slower than Mac adoption. They (and everyone else) have said that Vista adoption was SLOW, but even at that rate it was only a short matter of time before the number of clients sold would exceed all Macs in existence. In fact, I seem to remember Microsoft trumpeting when this &quot;event&quot; occurred.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, I don’t check the site all day and look at the comments I miss! Just a few of my own:</p>
<p>E,</p>
<p>I find the polling information interesting, and I don’t mind looking at US (and then global) share. However, I sometimes wonder about just using retail. It’s great of course to show how incredibly successful Apple’s retail stores are. But it’s not the primary model Dell and HP use, so it’s kind of an Apples to Oranges comparison. I mean, even if they get 30% of US retail they’ll still likely be third in the US.</p>
<p>Techslacker,</p>
<p>“All I know is I don’t need Apple to have a 30% marketshare to enjoy owning and using my Macs.”</p>
<p>Amen to that. At some point, Apple may get enough share that it’s actually a hindrance (in terms of support obligations, etc.). On the other hand, to do that they’d need to implement some of the silly things analysts want them to do (cheap macs, license OS X, an iPhone nano, etc.), and I don’t see them going there.</p>
<p>Tobin,</p>
<p>“Mac is good for Mac stuff (art/school crowd mostly). Windows is good for everything else (work, games, etc). This isn’t changing any time soon. For every Mac software title out there, there are 20+ Windows titles.”</p>
<p>Oh please. 1989 called. It wants it’s silly Mac excuses back.</p>
<p>Druid Dude,</p>
<p>“Macs will not get 30%. The reasons? Recession and price.”</p>
<p>You could very well be right. Honestly, I don’t think anyone knows what the economy is doing to Xmas shopping. While Black Friday was not a boon over last year, analysts had to fall all over themselves &#8212; and go out of their way &#8212; to explain why the numbers were much “worse” than they looked. And most of them had to admit that Apple’s weren’t bad.</p>
<p>Ron Johnson:</p>
<p>“Linux is barely relevant statistically at 0.83 percent &#8211; that’s less than the 1.95% for “Other”. I have to say, that surprises me.”</p>
<p>Why? I ran Linux a while back, but I’m a bit of a geek. Being free doesn’t mean anything to the vast majority of people when you get an OS with your PC anyway.</p>
<p>dusanmal,</p>
<p>“Few crucial problems with the methodology:”</p>
<p>You brought up good points, and I could bring up more. The fact is, as I’ve said in the past, this is not a particularly exact method of calculating OS share (nor browser share, which is another data point they provide). Still, if the methodology stays the same from year to year, and you gather and use it for historical purposes, then the trends it reveals are interesting.</p>
<p>Francis,</p>
<p>The numbers I used in the article do NOT include the iPhone/iPod touch. The data is available, and I would maybe have included it if I also had the Windows Mobile numbers, but the latter are not provided. For the record, Mobile OS X was closing in on .4%.</p>
<p>W,</p>
<p>“Looks like all the stuff being touted by Apple is pretty false. Vista adoption has been much much greater than Mac adoption.”</p>
<p>I don’t recall Apple saying Vista adoption was slower than Mac adoption. They (and everyone else) have said that Vista adoption was SLOW, but even at that rate it was only a short matter of time before the number of clients sold would exceed all Macs in existence. In fact, I seem to remember Microsoft trumpeting when this &#8220;event&#8221; occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby12</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bobby12]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@dusanmal

I would like to comment on your 3 points:
1)The majority of advanced users use Windows. There will be a very small MS bias in this survey due to advanced users blocking cookies.

2)I disagree with this. It may be true that an average Linux user is more picky with their surfing than the average Windows user, but I don&#039;t think it will have any significant effect on this.

3)Millions of Windows computers have little or no web access in workplaces. I would say that Mac has a bias in this area as the Mac demographic is younger and more likely to spend a lot of time surfing the web than large sections of PC and Linux users.

Also, Windows computers are more likely to be used by multiple users (e.g. family computer or shared work PC). This means that every Windows PC counted represents on average more actual users than every Mac and Linux computer counted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dusanmal</p>
<p>I would like to comment on your 3 points:<br />
1)The majority of advanced users use Windows. There will be a very small MS bias in this survey due to advanced users blocking cookies.</p>
<p>2)I disagree with this. It may be true that an average Linux user is more picky with their surfing than the average Windows user, but I don&#8217;t think it will have any significant effect on this.</p>
<p>3)Millions of Windows computers have little or no web access in workplaces. I would say that Mac has a bias in this area as the Mac demographic is younger and more likely to spend a lot of time surfing the web than large sections of PC and Linux users.</p>
<p>Also, Windows computers are more likely to be used by multiple users (e.g. family computer or shared work PC). This means that every Windows PC counted represents on average more actual users than every Mac and Linux computer counted.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I helped to drive up the Apple numbers, even if it was just a small amount.  I agree that the rise in Vista numbers are largely at the expense of Windows XP.  My decision to switch to Mac was made simple by my using Windows Vista in the first week it was released.

I am not going to make any predictions about market share, but I can tell you that since I bought two Macs this year, I have two friends that have purchased Macs to replace their PCs after only having them for one year and 8 months.  Both of these users were frustrated by Vista and they know how happy I have been with my Macbook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I helped to drive up the Apple numbers, even if it was just a small amount.  I agree that the rise in Vista numbers are largely at the expense of Windows XP.  My decision to switch to Mac was made simple by my using Windows Vista in the first week it was released.</p>
<p>I am not going to make any predictions about market share, but I can tell you that since I bought two Macs this year, I have two friends that have purchased Macs to replace their PCs after only having them for one year and 8 months.  Both of these users were frustrated by Vista and they know how happy I have been with my Macbook.</p>
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		<title>By: W</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like all the stuff being touted by Apple is pretty false. Vista adoption has been much much greater than Mac adoption. Unless they drop Mac pricing by a whole lot Apple will stay in there 10-20% market share.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like all the stuff being touted by Apple is pretty false. Vista adoption has been much much greater than Mac adoption. Unless they drop Mac pricing by a whole lot Apple will stay in there 10-20% market share.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pretty sure that iphone users and ipod touch users count as part of Apples statistical growth as safari is the only browser allowed on that platform. I personally have 3 unbuntu &amp; mint machines, bought 2 eeepc&#039;s for my relatives and only run Windows in Virtual box for devices that aren&#039;t yet linux supported (my iPod Touch). My ipod touch is my main web browser when I&#039;m on the road for work. That&#039;s how apple broke the 6% barrier.

Windows doesn&#039;t have much to worry about though. Even with the explosion of the iphone and the popularity of the mac line, they have yet to crack 10%. As long as OSX can only be legally installed and run on 1 platform they will never break the barrier. Windows is leading the way because they are entrenched in the business world, entrenched in the gaming world, run on a multitude of hardware configs and (here&#039;s the kicker...) you can find and install a pirated copy of not only the OS but it&#039;s software anytime you want.

Working within the tech side of banking system I can tell you there&#039;s isn&#039;t an Apple machine in site. It&#039;s all embedded linux, windows &amp; IBM Os2 on the servers and terminals and Windows on the main desktops.

I think Apple is happy where they are. They own the consumer device market in the US... frankly I don&#039;t think they&#039;d want to deal with challenges of getting much bigger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that iphone users and ipod touch users count as part of Apples statistical growth as safari is the only browser allowed on that platform. I personally have 3 unbuntu &amp; mint machines, bought 2 eeepc&#8217;s for my relatives and only run Windows in Virtual box for devices that aren&#8217;t yet linux supported (my iPod Touch). My ipod touch is my main web browser when I&#8217;m on the road for work. That&#8217;s how apple broke the 6% barrier.</p>
<p>Windows doesn&#8217;t have much to worry about though. Even with the explosion of the iphone and the popularity of the mac line, they have yet to crack 10%. As long as OSX can only be legally installed and run on 1 platform they will never break the barrier. Windows is leading the way because they are entrenched in the business world, entrenched in the gaming world, run on a multitude of hardware configs and (here&#8217;s the kicker&#8230;) you can find and install a pirated copy of not only the OS but it&#8217;s software anytime you want.</p>
<p>Working within the tech side of banking system I can tell you there&#8217;s isn&#8217;t an Apple machine in site. It&#8217;s all embedded linux, windows &amp; IBM Os2 on the servers and terminals and Windows on the main desktops.</p>
<p>I think Apple is happy where they are. They own the consumer device market in the US&#8230; frankly I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;d want to deal with challenges of getting much bigger.</p>
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		<title>By: What Ever</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What Ever]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As horrible as ist is: almost EVERY website uses Google Analytics today (the one you&#039;re on, too).

Google buys webmasters by giving Google Analytics away for free, in return collecting all the privacy data from visitors and building huge profiles of all of you.

Please welcome our new big brother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As horrible as ist is: almost EVERY website uses Google Analytics today (the one you&#8217;re on, too).</p>
<p>Google buys webmasters by giving Google Analytics away for free, in return collecting all the privacy data from visitors and building huge profiles of all of you.</p>
<p>Please welcome our new big brother.</p>
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