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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/my-new-vintage-hardware/#comment-515591</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mandy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[okay... so i bought my iMac 2002 on eBay for 50 bucks actually &amp; see is the most beautiful computer ive ever seen in my entire life... runs perfectly, ive installed tiger on her making it a version 10.4.11; which completely kills me because sims3 just came out &amp; you have to have mac version 10.5.7; i would also love the photobooth feature. people have told me to just get a new computer but i refuse 1 due to the money factor &amp; 2 cause this is the most beautiful looking computer in the history of computers... add a brand new iMac bluetooth keyboard &amp; cordless mouse &amp; shell look as good as new :)

i feel that is i ass a external hard-drive as well as extra ram i may possibly be able to put Leopard ... call it high hopes but this is one computer im not looking forward to letting go for a while]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay&#8230; so i bought my iMac 2002 on eBay for 50 bucks actually &amp; see is the most beautiful computer ive ever seen in my entire life&#8230; runs perfectly, ive installed tiger on her making it a version 10.4.11; which completely kills me because sims3 just came out &amp; you have to have mac version 10.5.7; i would also love the photobooth feature. people have told me to just get a new computer but i refuse 1 due to the money factor &amp; 2 cause this is the most beautiful looking computer in the history of computers&#8230; add a brand new iMac bluetooth keyboard &amp; cordless mouse &amp; shell look as good as new :)</p>
<p>i feel that is i ass a external hard-drive as well as extra ram i may possibly be able to put Leopard &#8230; call it high hopes but this is one computer im not looking forward to letting go for a while</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Whitehurst</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/my-new-vintage-hardware/#comment-324057</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Whitehurst]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what&#039;s with so much anger in peoples post&#039;s ? specially on youtube !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s with so much anger in peoples post&#8217;s ? specially on youtube !</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/my-new-vintage-hardware/#comment-324056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You will be able to run it, but you will need to be running Panther or Tiger first. You need to run LeopardAssist, which you can download first. It tricks the system that it has an 867MHz processor, without overclocking. Leopard installs as quick as on any other machine. It is quite stable but things like YouTube skip a bit, at least on 512MB RAM]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will be able to run it, but you will need to be running Panther or Tiger first. You need to run LeopardAssist, which you can download first. It tricks the system that it has an 867MHz processor, without overclocking. Leopard installs as quick as on any other machine. It is quite stable but things like YouTube skip a bit, at least on 512MB RAM</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/my-new-vintage-hardware/#comment-324055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm... interesting. I&#039;m not sure why some people think Leopard would be slow on an 800Mhz iMac G4. I have been successfully running OS X 10.5.6 on mine for about 4 months now with no problems, and strangely Leopard runs better than any previous release of OS X on my G4 800Mhz iMac. Here is how I installed Leopard...

1. Created a Disk Image of Leopard Install DVD (I used my PowerMac G4&#039;s DL-DVD drive).

2. Installed my iMac&#039;s Hard Drive in my PowerMac and made an extra 9Gb Partition on the iMac&#039;s HD.

3. Restored the Leopard Install DVD Image to the 9Gb Partition (the iMac Hard Drive) which took about 5-10 minutes.

4. Hold down option key at startup and select the Leopard Install DVD Hard Drive and start up.

5. Installed Leopard to my iMac&#039;s Larger Hard Drive partition and Shut down after install was complete.

6. Removed iMac&#039;s Hard Drive from the PowerMac and reinstalled it to my 800Mhz iMac G4.

7. Started up Leopard for the first time on my iMac, Installed the newest updates. Runs flawlessly :)

I could have just put the iMac HD in the PowerMac and installed from the DVD drive but instead I restored the Leopard Installer DVD Image to a 9gb partition. This way I wont need my PowerMac again if something were to happen to my iMac&#039;s Leopard Install in the future. Now I can just startup from the Installer Partition on my iMac if something goes wrong, of course I would still have to use LeopardAssist but I no longer need another Mac to install Leopard on my iMac G4 :)

Not exactly the easiest way, but it works and only took about 30 mins to do a full install, and that includes making the Installer Image and switching the drives around.

When I installed Leopard.. my iMac only had 512mb of RAM, I have since then upgraded to 2GB (yes iMac G4 800Mhz models can hold up to 2GB, though its not officially supported by apple and requires 2 different types of memory chips and bit more effort). After I installed more memory I noticed a &quot;slight&quot; improvement in performance but probably didn&#039;t make much of a difference when just idling the OS. 

IF anything runs slow, it is not because your iMac CPU is too slow, but more likely that the video RAM isn&#039;t drawing graphics as fast as it used to, since previous versions of OS X don&#039;t have nearly as many pretty designs in their GUIs as Leopard does :P

My point is, these iMac models are far from obsolete, and installing Leopard on them is still an option to consider. Us iMac G4 users are not alone!

Hope this helps :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; interesting. I&#8217;m not sure why some people think Leopard would be slow on an 800Mhz iMac G4. I have been successfully running OS X 10.5.6 on mine for about 4 months now with no problems, and strangely Leopard runs better than any previous release of OS X on my G4 800Mhz iMac. Here is how I installed Leopard&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Created a Disk Image of Leopard Install DVD (I used my PowerMac G4&#8242;s DL-DVD drive).</p>
<p>2. Installed my iMac&#8217;s Hard Drive in my PowerMac and made an extra 9Gb Partition on the iMac&#8217;s HD.</p>
<p>3. Restored the Leopard Install DVD Image to the 9Gb Partition (the iMac Hard Drive) which took about 5-10 minutes.</p>
<p>4. Hold down option key at startup and select the Leopard Install DVD Hard Drive and start up.</p>
<p>5. Installed Leopard to my iMac&#8217;s Larger Hard Drive partition and Shut down after install was complete.</p>
<p>6. Removed iMac&#8217;s Hard Drive from the PowerMac and reinstalled it to my 800Mhz iMac G4.</p>
<p>7. Started up Leopard for the first time on my iMac, Installed the newest updates. Runs flawlessly :)</p>
<p>I could have just put the iMac HD in the PowerMac and installed from the DVD drive but instead I restored the Leopard Installer DVD Image to a 9gb partition. This way I wont need my PowerMac again if something were to happen to my iMac&#8217;s Leopard Install in the future. Now I can just startup from the Installer Partition on my iMac if something goes wrong, of course I would still have to use LeopardAssist but I no longer need another Mac to install Leopard on my iMac G4 :)</p>
<p>Not exactly the easiest way, but it works and only took about 30 mins to do a full install, and that includes making the Installer Image and switching the drives around.</p>
<p>When I installed Leopard.. my iMac only had 512mb of RAM, I have since then upgraded to 2GB (yes iMac G4 800Mhz models can hold up to 2GB, though its not officially supported by apple and requires 2 different types of memory chips and bit more effort). After I installed more memory I noticed a &#8220;slight&#8221; improvement in performance but probably didn&#8217;t make much of a difference when just idling the OS. </p>
<p>IF anything runs slow, it is not because your iMac CPU is too slow, but more likely that the video RAM isn&#8217;t drawing graphics as fast as it used to, since previous versions of OS X don&#8217;t have nearly as many pretty designs in their GUIs as Leopard does :P</p>
<p>My point is, these iMac models are far from obsolete, and installing Leopard on them is still an option to consider. Us iMac G4 users are not alone!</p>
<p>Hope this helps :)</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Weston</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/my-new-vintage-hardware/#comment-324052</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Weston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This may duplicate an earlier response that disappeared off screen.   Anyway: thank you very much MacSmiley; only in or from America, a friendly helpful rapid response.   The keyboard has been changed and all settings worked through courtesy of Apple Care UK.   All that remains could be the input connections OR that I am too fast inputting for this particular keyboard, thanks(?) to RAF Signals training all those years ago!    I had the mug&#039;s luck to stumble upon this site, full of human beings - what will they think of next?    If there is a cash membership contribution, someone please let me know.    Does anyone know of an alternative keyboard (spring loaded keys?) that just goes faster?     I also had a failure with white mouse - also replaced.    The World&#039;s cheapest, most plastic mouse worked perfectly in its place!!     Per Ardua Ad Astra (Royal Air Force motto!)
All good wishes and thanks    Derek Weston.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may duplicate an earlier response that disappeared off screen.   Anyway: thank you very much MacSmiley; only in or from America, a friendly helpful rapid response.   The keyboard has been changed and all settings worked through courtesy of Apple Care UK.   All that remains could be the input connections OR that I am too fast inputting for this particular keyboard, thanks(?) to RAF Signals training all those years ago!    I had the mug&#8217;s luck to stumble upon this site, full of human beings &#8211; what will they think of next?    If there is a cash membership contribution, someone please let me know.    Does anyone know of an alternative keyboard (spring loaded keys?) that just goes faster?     I also had a failure with white mouse &#8211; also replaced.    The World&#8217;s cheapest, most plastic mouse worked perfectly in its place!!     Per Ardua Ad Astra (Royal Air Force motto!)<br />
All good wishes and thanks    Derek Weston.</p>
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		<title>By: MacSmiley</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/my-new-vintage-hardware/#comment-324054</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MacSmiley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You probably already know this, but have you checked System Preferences &gt; Keyboard &amp; Mouse &gt; Keyboard &gt; and set your Key Repeat Rate and the Delay Until Repeat settings??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably already know this, but have you checked System Preferences &gt; Keyboard &amp; Mouse &gt; Keyboard &gt; and set your Key Repeat Rate and the Delay Until Repeat settings??</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Weston</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/my-new-vintage-hardware/#comment-324053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Weston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure where this site is in time, but I have enjoyed it immensely.   I now haveiMac 20 inch early 2008, and also a G3 (silver and blue beauty??)      My only problem lies with the silver metal keyboard which misfires and adds characters I did not input.   From RAF Signals training (&quot;accuracy before speed&quot;) and many years professional writer, I know I input fast, and I am sure I am not making these errors to this extent.    Apple Care supplied a replacement keyboard, but problems continue.   I have never had such difficulties with any other keyboard.   Is this metal keyboard capable of high speed operation,      Lotsa fun ahead with the little G3!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure where this site is in time, but I have enjoyed it immensely.   I now haveiMac 20 inch early 2008, and also a G3 (silver and blue beauty??)      My only problem lies with the silver metal keyboard which misfires and adds characters I did not input.   From RAF Signals training (&#8220;accuracy before speed&#8221;) and many years professional writer, I know I input fast, and I am sure I am not making these errors to this extent.    Apple Care supplied a replacement keyboard, but problems continue.   I have never had such difficulties with any other keyboard.   Is this metal keyboard capable of high speed operation,      Lotsa fun ahead with the little G3!!!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/my-new-vintage-hardware/#comment-324051</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My iBook g4 800 MHz is running Leopard fine.  The key is to meet the minimum Ram requirements (512MB) and have an internal dual-layer DVD Rom with all the latest FirmWare updates.  Additionally you can use &lt;a href=&quot;http://leopardassist.sourceforge.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LeopardAssist&lt;/a&gt; to enable installation without modifying/hacking the commercial Leopard install DVD.

The great thing is that Time Machine works great and the system doesn&#039;t seem any more sluggish than it did with Tiger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My iBook g4 800 MHz is running Leopard fine.  The key is to meet the minimum Ram requirements (512MB) and have an internal dual-layer DVD Rom with all the latest FirmWare updates.  Additionally you can use <a href="http://leopardassist.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">LeopardAssist</a> to enable installation without modifying/hacking the commercial Leopard install DVD.</p>
<p>The great thing is that Time Machine works great and the system doesn&#8217;t seem any more sluggish than it did with Tiger.</p>
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		<title>By: GraXXoR</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/my-new-vintage-hardware/#comment-324050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GraXXoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’ve seen a lot of talk about Leopard requiring the latest system just to get it running. So I’m writing to put that myth to sleep.

I just got an iMac 15″ 700MHz bottom of the range. i.e. 128MB, 40GB, CD-R model lampshade in a 100% mint (as in polo) condition for a crazy bargain 18,000 Yen or about 80 pounds. The mouse was still in its original packaging!

It came with a factory restored version of OS X 10.2 which seemed to only barely ran in the 128MB originally supplied.

So, I decided to upgrade to either Tiger or Leopard and test the machine with original 40GB hard disk and just a 512MB upgrade (total 640MB). If it ran Leopoard fast enough as-is, then I’d upgrade to the full 1GB RAM, 500GB hard disk and a DVD-R (requiring a full dismantling), which should provide even better performance.

I used Firewire target disk mode and CCC to clone the HDD off my 12″ PowerBook (final) Leopard install. This took about an hour for the 10GB or so transfer.

Booted up fine, first time.

After removing various settings for bluetooth, airmac and changing the network settings so as not to double up with the PowerBook, I got to work testing.

I was surprised at the performance, expecting it to be slower than it was and the 1024 x 768 screen to be more cramped. But it runs quite well. I tried Safari, Word, Excel and Mail at the same time (a typical day’s work) and found the machine to be pleasant and entirely usable if not amazingly fast. There were none of the annoyances that I have with Tiger on my stock G4 Cube, for example.

I found that the 10.5.2 system install was waiting so I installed that plus graphics update 1.0 and a few other queued updates.

Probably subjective, but I found the whole thing to be even smoother and more responsive. For example, clicking on the finder icon in the dock brings up any open finder windows almost instantaneously over whatever you’re doing at the time.

A lot better than my stock cube with 1.5GB RAM and Tiger.

I’d like to test it out with Tiger for a speed comparison, but quite frankly, besides the lack of awaking from sleep, it’s running so smooth that I don’t see the point.

In conclusion

Install from cloned PowerBook HDD using CCC was effortless and took an hour or so for a 10GB install.
Leopard runs trouble free, with so far no crashes or random stuff happening (apart from wake from sleep).
10.5.2 upgrade and Graphics Update 1.0 work wonderfully.
640MB RAM and 40GB HDD gives more than adequate performance for Surfing, iTunes, Office 2004 multitasking.
Remaining Niggles:

Awakes from sleep with screen artifacts (but at least it can be gracefully reset since the OSX10.5.2 / GU1.0 updates).
Boot up is slow. Haven’t timed it, but it’s slow.
Logging in is slow.
Of the above complaints, only the first is a real one, since, once logged in, everything is hunky dory.

I think I’ll keep the machine like this for a week or to so that I can appreciate the upgrade when I perform it.

I wonder how much faster the Seagate 500GB HDD and extra 386MB of RAM will make it…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve seen a lot of talk about Leopard requiring the latest system just to get it running. So I’m writing to put that myth to sleep.</p>
<p>I just got an iMac 15″ 700MHz bottom of the range. i.e. 128MB, 40GB, CD-R model lampshade in a 100% mint (as in polo) condition for a crazy bargain 18,000 Yen or about 80 pounds. The mouse was still in its original packaging!</p>
<p>It came with a factory restored version of OS X 10.2 which seemed to only barely ran in the 128MB originally supplied.</p>
<p>So, I decided to upgrade to either Tiger or Leopard and test the machine with original 40GB hard disk and just a 512MB upgrade (total 640MB). If it ran Leopoard fast enough as-is, then I’d upgrade to the full 1GB RAM, 500GB hard disk and a DVD-R (requiring a full dismantling), which should provide even better performance.</p>
<p>I used Firewire target disk mode and CCC to clone the HDD off my 12″ PowerBook (final) Leopard install. This took about an hour for the 10GB or so transfer.</p>
<p>Booted up fine, first time.</p>
<p>After removing various settings for bluetooth, airmac and changing the network settings so as not to double up with the PowerBook, I got to work testing.</p>
<p>I was surprised at the performance, expecting it to be slower than it was and the 1024 x 768 screen to be more cramped. But it runs quite well. I tried Safari, Word, Excel and Mail at the same time (a typical day’s work) and found the machine to be pleasant and entirely usable if not amazingly fast. There were none of the annoyances that I have with Tiger on my stock G4 Cube, for example.</p>
<p>I found that the 10.5.2 system install was waiting so I installed that plus graphics update 1.0 and a few other queued updates.</p>
<p>Probably subjective, but I found the whole thing to be even smoother and more responsive. For example, clicking on the finder icon in the dock brings up any open finder windows almost instantaneously over whatever you’re doing at the time.</p>
<p>A lot better than my stock cube with 1.5GB RAM and Tiger.</p>
<p>I’d like to test it out with Tiger for a speed comparison, but quite frankly, besides the lack of awaking from sleep, it’s running so smooth that I don’t see the point.</p>
<p>In conclusion</p>
<p>Install from cloned PowerBook HDD using CCC was effortless and took an hour or so for a 10GB install.<br />
Leopard runs trouble free, with so far no crashes or random stuff happening (apart from wake from sleep).<br />
10.5.2 upgrade and Graphics Update 1.0 work wonderfully.<br />
640MB RAM and 40GB HDD gives more than adequate performance for Surfing, iTunes, Office 2004 multitasking.<br />
Remaining Niggles:</p>
<p>Awakes from sleep with screen artifacts (but at least it can be gracefully reset since the OSX10.5.2 / GU1.0 updates).<br />
Boot up is slow. Haven’t timed it, but it’s slow.<br />
Logging in is slow.<br />
Of the above complaints, only the first is a real one, since, once logged in, everything is hunky dory.</p>
<p>I think I’ll keep the machine like this for a week or to so that I can appreciate the upgrade when I perform it.</p>
<p>I wonder how much faster the Seagate 500GB HDD and extra 386MB of RAM will make it…</p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/my-new-vintage-hardware/#comment-324048</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This link shows how to hack the installer to allow Leopard to install on an 800 MHz G4.

http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/351987/leopard-on-800mhz-g4-imac/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This link shows how to hack the installer to allow Leopard to install on an 800 MHz G4.</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/351987/leopard-on-800mhz-g4-imac/" rel="nofollow">http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/351987/leopard-on-800mhz-g4-imac/</a></p>
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