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		<title>By: SofaKingDOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/microsoft-becoming-apple-with-first-retail-store-online-pc-sales/#comment-360100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SofaKingDOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ALSO:  One more thing:

Just because MS opens a store,  doesn&#039;t mean that they are going to stop making / supporting your precious APPLE machines.  So unruffle  those panties and stop sobbing,  you guys are like a bunch of kindergartners with this thread.
I would just like to add my two cents to stir this madness!~!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALSO:  One more thing:</p>
<p>Just because MS opens a store,  doesn&#8217;t mean that they are going to stop making / supporting your precious APPLE machines.  So unruffle  those panties and stop sobbing,  you guys are like a bunch of kindergartners with this thread.<br />
I would just like to add my two cents to stir this madness!~!!!</p>
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		<title>By: SofaKingDOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/microsoft-becoming-apple-with-first-retail-store-online-pc-sales/#comment-360099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SofaKingDOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW this thread is a total bash on PC... 
Get a life journalist, this isn&#039;t a football game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW this thread is a total bash on PC&#8230;<br />
Get a life journalist, this isn&#8217;t a football game.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrochimp</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/microsoft-becoming-apple-with-first-retail-store-online-pc-sales/#comment-360098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrochimp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Vanni:
first, you&#039;re drinking the Kool-Aid from Apple that says that Microsoft is still shipping the same &#039;ol stuff. No, they&#039;re not; the core of their OS has changed profoundly since Windows 98, but the brilliant &quot;I&#039;m a Mac, I&#039;m a PC&quot; ads deny this. It&#039;s just much easier for today&#039;s Apple product to compete against what Microsoft was shipping 10 years ago.

Your list of &quot;10 worst&quot; are all in the distant past, by standards of software. Give me a more recent example. If Apple had that market share back then, they would have been hit just as hard.

... and don&#039;t tell me about Conficker. I know. Microsoft patched a vulnerability in October 2008, and Conficker appeared in November 2008, reverse-engineered from the patch out of Microsoft. Only idiots who don&#039;t patch (i.e. they changed the default settings) were affected.

By your logic, my machine should be crawling with worms and spewing SPAM emails. But, it&#039;s not, and never was.

@Vanni: I accept your challenge for TWO (2) sources that agree with me. Here they are:

1. Look up Charlie Miller. Here&#039; a good quote: &quot;I&#039;ve spent a lot of my research time on Macs because I like them and they also happen to be pretty easy to break!&quot;

2. Macworld, just over a year ago, 10/8/2008: http://www.macworld.com/article/135978/mac_security.html
&quot;Technically, Macs are not inherently more secure than Windows PCs—and by some measures, they are definitely less so. Over the past five years, Microsoft has made huge security improvements to Windows, and Apple now lags behind Microsoft in implementing library randomization, data execution protection, and other advanced security features.&quot;

I feel like I&#039;m fighting the tide with a spoon: To quote Joseph Goebbels (Nazi propoganda minister) &quot;If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.&quot; Read the rest of the quote and substitute &quot;Apple Inc.&quot; for &quot;the State&quot; and you&#039;ve got the picture.

I&#039;m totally done with this thread. If you guys can&#039;t learn by now, you never will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vanni:<br />
first, you&#8217;re drinking the Kool-Aid from Apple that says that Microsoft is still shipping the same &#8216;ol stuff. No, they&#8217;re not; the core of their OS has changed profoundly since Windows 98, but the brilliant &#8220;I&#8217;m a Mac, I&#8217;m a PC&#8221; ads deny this. It&#8217;s just much easier for today&#8217;s Apple product to compete against what Microsoft was shipping 10 years ago.</p>
<p>Your list of &#8220;10 worst&#8221; are all in the distant past, by standards of software. Give me a more recent example. If Apple had that market share back then, they would have been hit just as hard.</p>
<p>&#8230; and don&#8217;t tell me about Conficker. I know. Microsoft patched a vulnerability in October 2008, and Conficker appeared in November 2008, reverse-engineered from the patch out of Microsoft. Only idiots who don&#8217;t patch (i.e. they changed the default settings) were affected.</p>
<p>By your logic, my machine should be crawling with worms and spewing SPAM emails. But, it&#8217;s not, and never was.</p>
<p>@Vanni: I accept your challenge for TWO (2) sources that agree with me. Here they are:</p>
<p>1. Look up Charlie Miller. Here&#8217; a good quote: &#8220;I&#8217;ve spent a lot of my research time on Macs because I like them and they also happen to be pretty easy to break!&#8221;</p>
<p>2. Macworld, just over a year ago, 10/8/2008: <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/135978/mac_security.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.macworld.com/article/135978/mac_security.html</a><br />
&#8220;Technically, Macs are not inherently more secure than Windows PCs—and by some measures, they are definitely less so. Over the past five years, Microsoft has made huge security improvements to Windows, and Apple now lags behind Microsoft in implementing library randomization, data execution protection, and other advanced security features.&#8221;</p>
<p>I feel like I&#8217;m fighting the tide with a spoon: To quote Joseph Goebbels (Nazi propoganda minister) &#8220;If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.&#8221; Read the rest of the quote and substitute &#8220;Apple Inc.&#8221; for &#8220;the State&#8221; and you&#8217;ve got the picture.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m totally done with this thread. If you guys can&#8217;t learn by now, you never will.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanni</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/microsoft-becoming-apple-with-first-retail-store-online-pc-sales/#comment-360097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[10 worst: http://www.catalogs.com/info/travel-vacations/top-10-worst-computer-viruses.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 worst: <a href="http://www.catalogs.com/info/travel-vacations/top-10-worst-computer-viruses.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.catalogs.com/info/travel-vacations/top-10-worst-computer-viruses.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vanni</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/microsoft-becoming-apple-with-first-retail-store-online-pc-sales/#comment-360096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@astrochimp:

&quot;Windows XP SP2 was when Microsoft overtook Mac OSX in security, and Microsoft is way ahead of Apple now.&quot;

find me two sources who would even mildly agree with that statement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@astrochimp:</p>
<p>&#8220;Windows XP SP2 was when Microsoft overtook Mac OSX in security, and Microsoft is way ahead of Apple now.&#8221;</p>
<p>find me two sources who would even mildly agree with that statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrochimp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrochimp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kendall: true, Windows 9.x (including Windows ME) was awful for security. But, newer versions of Windows have been totally rewritten. 

Windows XP SP2 was when Microsoft overtook Mac OSX in security, and Microsoft is way ahead of Apple now.

Apple has the advantage of small market share, but that&#039;s not a kind of security. If Apple suddenly were to go to 50% market share, blackhats would be all over Apple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kendall: true, Windows 9.x (including Windows ME) was awful for security. But, newer versions of Windows have been totally rewritten. </p>
<p>Windows XP SP2 was when Microsoft overtook Mac OSX in security, and Microsoft is way ahead of Apple now.</p>
<p>Apple has the advantage of small market share, but that&#8217;s not a kind of security. If Apple suddenly were to go to 50% market share, blackhats would be all over Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendall Tawes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kendall Tawes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be honest Vanni there is Malware for Mac OS but the simple fact is since it is less prevalent Apple hasn&#039;t needed to react as much as Microsoft. And as I said before Microsoft took years to take security seriously despite having an OS more prone to attack than any other in history.

Apple is starting to gear up its security though. In Snow Leopard there is a new technology that cross references files downloaded from the internet with a known vulnerability list but as it is new there are only two definitions on the list. If Microsoft did something as simple as that in 1997 when Microsoft&#039;s malware was roughly on par with what Apple has now Microsoft would have been prepared for the barrage of viruses, spyware and general malware released throughout this decade. Frankly by the time Microsoft started doing something even close it was early 2004 when Microsoft bought a spyware detector and removal tool from another company, released it as a free beta and then went on to not develop it further for a couple of years. If Apple keeps on track with their current plans Mac OS will continue to have less attackers and less holes in their code to attack.

Sure Microsoft is serious about security now but that is like being serious about fixing your boat after it has been sinking for 2 hours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest Vanni there is Malware for Mac OS but the simple fact is since it is less prevalent Apple hasn&#8217;t needed to react as much as Microsoft. And as I said before Microsoft took years to take security seriously despite having an OS more prone to attack than any other in history.</p>
<p>Apple is starting to gear up its security though. In Snow Leopard there is a new technology that cross references files downloaded from the internet with a known vulnerability list but as it is new there are only two definitions on the list. If Microsoft did something as simple as that in 1997 when Microsoft&#8217;s malware was roughly on par with what Apple has now Microsoft would have been prepared for the barrage of viruses, spyware and general malware released throughout this decade. Frankly by the time Microsoft started doing something even close it was early 2004 when Microsoft bought a spyware detector and removal tool from another company, released it as a free beta and then went on to not develop it further for a couple of years. If Apple keeps on track with their current plans Mac OS will continue to have less attackers and less holes in their code to attack.</p>
<p>Sure Microsoft is serious about security now but that is like being serious about fixing your boat after it has been sinking for 2 hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendall Tawes</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/microsoft-becoming-apple-with-first-retail-store-online-pc-sales/#comment-360093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kendall Tawes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. Microsoft took years to start getting serious about security. I had ME, I know first hand.

2. Have you heard Microsoft&#039;s pitches before. Half of those are exaggerations too. Sure Macs can get malware but compared to what&#039;s available for Windows it is nothing.

3. Yeah license their OS. That will not end badly. Do you even remember the 90&#039;s? Well perhaps you do as many people forgot Apple existed until the iMac came out. In case you don&#039;t remember licensing Mac OS nearly killed Apple and made them have to turn to Microsoft for help. The days of OS licensing is one of the darkest days of Apple&#039;s history and even if things could be different now (they wouldn&#039;t) Apple will never do that again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Microsoft took years to start getting serious about security. I had ME, I know first hand.</p>
<p>2. Have you heard Microsoft&#8217;s pitches before. Half of those are exaggerations too. Sure Macs can get malware but compared to what&#8217;s available for Windows it is nothing.</p>
<p>3. Yeah license their OS. That will not end badly. Do you even remember the 90&#8242;s? Well perhaps you do as many people forgot Apple existed until the iMac came out. In case you don&#8217;t remember licensing Mac OS nearly killed Apple and made them have to turn to Microsoft for help. The days of OS licensing is one of the darkest days of Apple&#8217;s history and even if things could be different now (they wouldn&#8217;t) Apple will never do that again.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanni</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/microsoft-becoming-apple-with-first-retail-store-online-pc-sales/#comment-360092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@astrochimp. Nothing new in what you have posted:

i work 8-10hrs  a day on a mac. have been doing so for over tens years. nada a malware or virus have i seen. ;-)


SEE:
By this definition, there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of Windows viruses (see partial list), a handful of Mac OS 9 viruses, and not one for Mac OS X.

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/09/02/why-are-there-no-mac-viruses/


but who knows maybe in the future one will happen....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@astrochimp. Nothing new in what you have posted:</p>
<p>i work 8-10hrs  a day on a mac. have been doing so for over tens years. nada a malware or virus have i seen. ;-)</p>
<p>SEE:<br />
By this definition, there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of Windows viruses (see partial list), a handful of Mac OS 9 viruses, and not one for Mac OS X.</p>
<p><a href="http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/09/02/why-are-there-no-mac-viruses/" rel="nofollow">http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/09/02/why-are-there-no-mac-viruses/</a></p>
<p>but who knows maybe in the future one will happen&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Astrochimp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrochimp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Vanni:
On general Mac vulnerability:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2941
Trojan from 2007:
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/11/mac_trojan
On protecting yourself on a Mac:
http://www.macsmarts.com/?p=115
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/30265
http://www.dnschanger.com/
If you use a Mac, I’d recommend keeping up with this site:
http://www.securemac.com/
Apple Inc. you can’t trust to keep you secure. They’d rather lie about it; it’s easier, better for selling their very expensive hardware, and they do it well.

I only spent two minutes digging. With more time I could find more.

Now, I expect to hear all sorts of whining and excuses from the Mac faithful…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vanni:<br />
On general Mac vulnerability:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2941" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2941</a><br />
Trojan from 2007:<br />
<a href="http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/11/mac_trojan" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/11/mac_trojan</a><br />
On protecting yourself on a Mac:<br />
<a href="http://www.macsmarts.com/?p=115" rel="nofollow">http://www.macsmarts.com/?p=115</a><br />
<a href="http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/30265" rel="nofollow">http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/30265</a><br />
<a href="http://www.dnschanger.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dnschanger.com/</a><br />
If you use a Mac, I’d recommend keeping up with this site:<br />
<a href="http://www.securemac.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.securemac.com/</a><br />
Apple Inc. you can’t trust to keep you secure. They’d rather lie about it; it’s easier, better for selling their very expensive hardware, and they do it well.</p>
<p>I only spent two minutes digging. With more time I could find more.</p>
<p>Now, I expect to hear all sorts of whining and excuses from the Mac faithful…</p>
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		<title>By: Vanni</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/microsoft-becoming-apple-with-first-retail-store-online-pc-sales/#comment-360090</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AstroChimp: &quot; 2. Stop hurting consumers by lying to them, about how secure Apple machines supposedly are. This makes consumer complacent, and vulnerable to the malware that is out there now.&quot;

May we have the source for this? Please provide us with the particular Malware you are referring to?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AstroChimp: &#8221; 2. Stop hurting consumers by lying to them, about how secure Apple machines supposedly are. This makes consumer complacent, and vulnerable to the malware that is out there now.&#8221;</p>
<p>May we have the source for this? Please provide us with the particular Malware you are referring to?</p>
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		<title>By: Astrochimp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrochimp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, Darth Vader, if you think (like many Mac users have been led to believe) that Macs are absolutely secure, then you need some education. Perfect security is impossible, and Mac malware exists in the wild. Apple does an amazing job pulling the woolly, though :( to make people think this isn&#039;t true.

Oh, yes, Apple is based on a Unix! Yes, that makes it more secure than Windows 98. Granted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Darth Vader, if you think (like many Mac users have been led to believe) that Macs are absolutely secure, then you need some education. Perfect security is impossible, and Mac malware exists in the wild. Apple does an amazing job pulling the woolly, though :( to make people think this isn&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>Oh, yes, Apple is based on a Unix! Yes, that makes it more secure than Windows 98. Granted.</p>
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		<title>By: Anakin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anakin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ROFL Astrochimp your so funny and so wrong hahaahaha]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFL Astrochimp your so funny and so wrong hahaahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Astrochimp</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/microsoft-becoming-apple-with-first-retail-store-online-pc-sales/#comment-360087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrochimp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A place called &quot;reality.&quot;

Mac religion is unbecoming to otherwise intelligent people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A place called &#8220;reality.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mac religion is unbecoming to otherwise intelligent people.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanni</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/microsoft-becoming-apple-with-first-retail-store-online-pc-sales/#comment-360086</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what planet you fly down from??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what planet you fly down from??</p>
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		<title>By: Astrochimp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrochimp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Next, for the good of consumers, Apple needs to imitate Microsoft:

1. Get serious about security. Apple is years behind the curve.

2. Stop hurting consumers by lying to them, about how secure Apple machines supposedly are. This makes consumer complacent, and vulnerable to the malware that is out there now.

3. License their OS to 3rd-party computer manufacturers. That would give consumers choices that they don&#039;t have now - but it would be the death of Apple as we know it. They&#039;re a hardware company more than a software company.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next, for the good of consumers, Apple needs to imitate Microsoft:</p>
<p>1. Get serious about security. Apple is years behind the curve.</p>
<p>2. Stop hurting consumers by lying to them, about how secure Apple machines supposedly are. This makes consumer complacent, and vulnerable to the malware that is out there now.</p>
<p>3. License their OS to 3rd-party computer manufacturers. That would give consumers choices that they don&#8217;t have now &#8211; but it would be the death of Apple as we know it. They&#8217;re a hardware company more than a software company.</p>
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