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		<title>By: &#187; give us this day our daily kool-aid i drank the kool-aid: clutching my dixie cup of apple goodness</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337048</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; give us this day our daily kool-aid i drank the kool-aid: clutching my dixie cup of apple goodness]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] TheAppleBlog sums up nicely how I feel about Mac cloners such as Psuckstar:  And of course they bring up money. When in doubt, always bring up money. It’s a great way to obfuscate the issue; Apple is big and rich while they’re small and poor. Forget that money is one thing they’re likely in it for. Yet just as Psystar thinks their EULA is sacrosanct while Apple’s is bogus, EFIX USA thinks their money is OK and Apple’s is somehow wrong. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TheAppleBlog sums up nicely how I feel about Mac cloners such as Psuckstar:  And of course they bring up money. When in doubt, always bring up money. It’s a great way to obfuscate the issue; Apple is big and rich while they’re small and poor. Forget that money is one thing they’re likely in it for. Yet just as Psystar thinks their EULA is sacrosanct while Apple’s is bogus, EFIX USA thinks their money is OK and Apple’s is somehow wrong. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mac Clones Revisited: Some Companies Know the Difference - TheAppleBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mac Clones Revisited: Some Companies Know the Difference - TheAppleBlog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] wrote earlier about Mac clones and where Apple may draw the line. A recent example I gave of the sheer bravado of the cloners was the story of EFI-X USA selling a [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Dizzle</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337046</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dizzle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the typos.  People talking out of their rears without citing any authority annoys me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the typos.  People talking out of their rears without citing any authority annoys me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzle</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337024</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Mr. Clinton: &quot;Label&quot; is a term of legal art.  Instead of Miriam-Webster&#039;s you might have checked Black&#039;s Law Dictionary.

&lt;strong&gt;Label&lt;/strong&gt;:... An affication to or making on a manufactured article, giving information as to its nature or quality, or the contents of a material, package or container, or the the name of the maker, etc.  Higgins v. Keuffel, 140 U.S. 428; 11. S. Ct. 735, 35 L.Ed. 470.  The informational content of such labels is often governed by federal and state laws; e.g. Fa8ir Packaging and Labeling Act.  15 U.S.C.A. Section 1457.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Mr. Clinton: &#8220;Label&#8221; is a term of legal art.  Instead of Miriam-Webster&#8217;s you might have checked Black&#8217;s Law Dictionary.</p>
<p><strong>Label</strong>:&#8230; An affication to or making on a manufactured article, giving information as to its nature or quality, or the contents of a material, package or container, or the the name of the maker, etc.  Higgins v. Keuffel, 140 U.S. 428; 11. S. Ct. 735, 35 L.Ed. 470.  The informational content of such labels is often governed by federal and state laws; e.g. Fa8ir Packaging and Labeling Act.  15 U.S.C.A. Section 1457.</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzle</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337045</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dizzle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And I see you ignored that a license is sold not the software itself.  Neither of us are attorneys.  But I work with contracts all day and am in discourse and education regarding them.  Granted it is not in the area of software, but it is in an area where &quot;adhesion&quot; is not an unheard of argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I see you ignored that a license is sold not the software itself.  Neither of us are attorneys.  But I work with contracts all day and am in discourse and education regarding them.  Granted it is not in the area of software, but it is in an area where &#8220;adhesion&#8221; is not an unheard of argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzle</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337027</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dizzle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;The language in a contract or other legal agreement is construed using its plain English meaning unless the contract specifically defines certain terms or those terms have an area-specific meaning in cases where technical or other industry jargon is widely accepted to mean a particular thing which differs from its plain English meaning but would be understood as intended by someone versed in the particular are of law, technology, etc.&lt;/em&gt;

And you don&#039;t find Apple-labeled within the context to be plain?

&lt;em&gt;As defined by Merriam Webster, none of the verb meanings of “labeled” suggest anything other than the obvious meaning — a distinctive mark affixed to an object. To the best of my knowledge and experience in the field of software and computer technology, the verb “labeled” has no special meaning which would be applicable in this case.&lt;/em&gt;

Once again, in the context, the meaning is clear using the reasonable man standard, not the pedantic man standard.

&lt;em&gt; If Apple had used wording like “manufactured by”, “sold by,” etc., there would be no question.&lt;/em&gt;

Oh no Mr. Clinton, I would bet my petunias that you would be arguing that it was manufactured by a Chinese plant or sold by a reseller.  Pedantry knows no bounds.  I would pay money to see you try to make this argument to a Federal judge.

&lt;em&gt;The only ambiguity is the hyphenated “Apple-labeled”. If that implies that the labeling was done by Apple, rather than an object which is labeled with an Apple, there may be some room there.&lt;/em&gt;

Oh please.  Seriously, you are delusional if you believe that is a reasonable interpretation.  In the entirety of the context (which is what Courts construe), it is clear by the reasonable man standard.

&lt;em&gt;Certainly long, drawn-out legal battles have been fought over the meaning of punctuation more than once in the past.&lt;/em&gt;

Yes they have, and many times precious tax dollars are wasted because of pedantics such as yourself.  Just because things have happened don&#039;t mean they should have or are correct.

&lt;em&gt;As for the Psystar case, I expect the validity of applying such a restriction will be tantamount, and only should the judge find such a restriction valid would such minutia as the meaning of the hyphen come into play.&lt;/em&gt;

Apparently you skipped over the part where the Judge has already stated:

&lt;strong&gt;Apple asks its customers to purchase Mac OS knowing that it is to be used only with Apple computers (Compl. ¶ 28). It is certainly entitled to do so.&lt;/strong&gt;

And cited case law.

&lt;em&gt; Admittedly, I’m being pedantic with the interpretation of “Apple-labeled”. &lt;/em&gt;

You think?  That is an understatement.

&lt;em&gt;That should in any case be moot considering that Apple oversteps what they can do with a contract of adhesion with that entire clause.&lt;/em&gt;

Case law please?  As I said above, I do not believe you can prove that this is a contract of adhesion.  Psystar&#039;s attorneys have not argued that it is, do you know more than they do about the law?  They may eventually make that argument, but they have not so far.  I think there is a reason for that.

&lt;em&gt;As far as entering into a contract with me personally, if your intent is to infringe upon my basic legally protected rights, then you should absolutely take some pause before putting ink to paper. If there’s any possible way that I can legally prevail with what I believe are my rights, you’d better believe I’m going to take that option. Again, though, in this case, the minutia are meaningless as far as I’m concerned. Any attempt to constrain my use of a sold good as Apple attempts to do in their EULA is invalid on its face under UCC.&lt;/em&gt;

Case law please?  The Judge (whom you apparently think you know more than) has already stated in a Court Order citing case law that he does not agree with you.  Now perhaps Psystar&#039;s latest amendment might raise some new issues, but so far, all you have is bluster.  And frankly, I find it smoke and mirrors.

You see in your statement above, you agreed that if you can &quot;legally&quot; find a loophole, no matter how ridiculous or ethical, you will take it.  You are right.  I would never enter into a contract with you.  I see you design software.  I would not make a purchase either since you seem to think that whatever may be legally permissible is morally right.

Psystar and YOU know full well what Apple-labeled means. You are not that stupid.  And neither are they.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The language in a contract or other legal agreement is construed using its plain English meaning unless the contract specifically defines certain terms or those terms have an area-specific meaning in cases where technical or other industry jargon is widely accepted to mean a particular thing which differs from its plain English meaning but would be understood as intended by someone versed in the particular are of law, technology, etc.</em></p>
<p>And you don&#8217;t find Apple-labeled within the context to be plain?</p>
<p><em>As defined by Merriam Webster, none of the verb meanings of “labeled” suggest anything other than the obvious meaning — a distinctive mark affixed to an object. To the best of my knowledge and experience in the field of software and computer technology, the verb “labeled” has no special meaning which would be applicable in this case.</em></p>
<p>Once again, in the context, the meaning is clear using the reasonable man standard, not the pedantic man standard.</p>
<p><em> If Apple had used wording like “manufactured by”, “sold by,” etc., there would be no question.</em></p>
<p>Oh no Mr. Clinton, I would bet my petunias that you would be arguing that it was manufactured by a Chinese plant or sold by a reseller.  Pedantry knows no bounds.  I would pay money to see you try to make this argument to a Federal judge.</p>
<p><em>The only ambiguity is the hyphenated “Apple-labeled”. If that implies that the labeling was done by Apple, rather than an object which is labeled with an Apple, there may be some room there.</em></p>
<p>Oh please.  Seriously, you are delusional if you believe that is a reasonable interpretation.  In the entirety of the context (which is what Courts construe), it is clear by the reasonable man standard.</p>
<p><em>Certainly long, drawn-out legal battles have been fought over the meaning of punctuation more than once in the past.</em></p>
<p>Yes they have, and many times precious tax dollars are wasted because of pedantics such as yourself.  Just because things have happened don&#8217;t mean they should have or are correct.</p>
<p><em>As for the Psystar case, I expect the validity of applying such a restriction will be tantamount, and only should the judge find such a restriction valid would such minutia as the meaning of the hyphen come into play.</em></p>
<p>Apparently you skipped over the part where the Judge has already stated:</p>
<p><strong>Apple asks its customers to purchase Mac OS knowing that it is to be used only with Apple computers (Compl. ¶ 28). It is certainly entitled to do so.</strong></p>
<p>And cited case law.</p>
<p><em> Admittedly, I’m being pedantic with the interpretation of “Apple-labeled”. </em></p>
<p>You think?  That is an understatement.</p>
<p><em>That should in any case be moot considering that Apple oversteps what they can do with a contract of adhesion with that entire clause.</em></p>
<p>Case law please?  As I said above, I do not believe you can prove that this is a contract of adhesion.  Psystar&#8217;s attorneys have not argued that it is, do you know more than they do about the law?  They may eventually make that argument, but they have not so far.  I think there is a reason for that.</p>
<p><em>As far as entering into a contract with me personally, if your intent is to infringe upon my basic legally protected rights, then you should absolutely take some pause before putting ink to paper. If there’s any possible way that I can legally prevail with what I believe are my rights, you’d better believe I’m going to take that option. Again, though, in this case, the minutia are meaningless as far as I’m concerned. Any attempt to constrain my use of a sold good as Apple attempts to do in their EULA is invalid on its face under UCC.</em></p>
<p>Case law please?  The Judge (whom you apparently think you know more than) has already stated in a Court Order citing case law that he does not agree with you.  Now perhaps Psystar&#8217;s latest amendment might raise some new issues, but so far, all you have is bluster.  And frankly, I find it smoke and mirrors.</p>
<p>You see in your statement above, you agreed that if you can &#8220;legally&#8221; find a loophole, no matter how ridiculous or ethical, you will take it.  You are right.  I would never enter into a contract with you.  I see you design software.  I would not make a purchase either since you seem to think that whatever may be legally permissible is morally right.</p>
<p>Psystar and YOU know full well what Apple-labeled means. You are not that stupid.  And neither are they.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Bedell</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337026</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Bedell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The language in a contract or other legal agreement is construed using its plain English meaning unless the contract specifically defines certain terms or those terms have an area-specific meaning in cases where technical or other industry jargon is widely accepted to mean a particular thing which differs from its plain English meaning but would be understood as intended by someone versed in the particular are of law, technology, etc.

As defined by Merriam Webster, none of the verb meanings of &quot;labeled&quot; suggest anything other than the obvious meaning -- a distinctive mark affixed to an object.  To the best of my knowledge and experience in the field of software and computer technology, the verb &quot;labeled&quot; has no special meaning which would be applicable in this case.  If Apple had used wording like &quot;manufactured by&quot;, &quot;sold by,&quot; etc., there would be no question.  The only ambiguity is the hyphenated &quot;Apple-labeled&quot;.  If that implies that the labeling was done by Apple, rather than an object which is labeled with an Apple, there may be some room there.  Certainly long, drawn-out legal battles have been fought over the meaning of punctuation more than once in the past.

As for the Psystar case, I expect the validity of applying such a restriction will be tantamount, and only should the judge find such a restriction valid would such minutia as the meaning of the hyphen come into play.  Admittedly, I&#039;m being pedantic with the interpretation of &quot;Apple-labeled&quot;.  That should in any case be moot considering that Apple oversteps what they can do with a contract of adhesion with that entire clause.

As far as entering into a contract with me personally, if your intent is to infringe upon my basic legally protected rights, then you should absolutely take some pause before putting ink to paper.  If there&#039;s any possible way that I can legally prevail with what I believe are my rights, you&#039;d better believe I&#039;m going to take that option.  Again, though, in this case, the minutia are meaningless as far as I&#039;m concerned.  Any attempt to constrain my use of a sold good as Apple attempts to do in their EULA is invalid on its face under UCC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The language in a contract or other legal agreement is construed using its plain English meaning unless the contract specifically defines certain terms or those terms have an area-specific meaning in cases where technical or other industry jargon is widely accepted to mean a particular thing which differs from its plain English meaning but would be understood as intended by someone versed in the particular are of law, technology, etc.</p>
<p>As defined by Merriam Webster, none of the verb meanings of &#8220;labeled&#8221; suggest anything other than the obvious meaning &#8212; a distinctive mark affixed to an object.  To the best of my knowledge and experience in the field of software and computer technology, the verb &#8220;labeled&#8221; has no special meaning which would be applicable in this case.  If Apple had used wording like &#8220;manufactured by&#8221;, &#8220;sold by,&#8221; etc., there would be no question.  The only ambiguity is the hyphenated &#8220;Apple-labeled&#8221;.  If that implies that the labeling was done by Apple, rather than an object which is labeled with an Apple, there may be some room there.  Certainly long, drawn-out legal battles have been fought over the meaning of punctuation more than once in the past.</p>
<p>As for the Psystar case, I expect the validity of applying such a restriction will be tantamount, and only should the judge find such a restriction valid would such minutia as the meaning of the hyphen come into play.  Admittedly, I&#8217;m being pedantic with the interpretation of &#8220;Apple-labeled&#8221;.  That should in any case be moot considering that Apple oversteps what they can do with a contract of adhesion with that entire clause.</p>
<p>As far as entering into a contract with me personally, if your intent is to infringe upon my basic legally protected rights, then you should absolutely take some pause before putting ink to paper.  If there&#8217;s any possible way that I can legally prevail with what I believe are my rights, you&#8217;d better believe I&#8217;m going to take that option.  Again, though, in this case, the minutia are meaningless as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  Any attempt to constrain my use of a sold good as Apple attempts to do in their EULA is invalid on its face under UCC.</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzle</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337044</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dizzle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Further:

&lt;em&gt;As to the enforceability (or not) of EULA&#039;s, I think the most relevant point is that EULA&#039;s which contain terms contrary to the Universal Commercial Code are largely found to be unenforceable as to those conflicting terms. In particular, the over-the-counter sale of software (that is a sale without a separate signed contract governing the terms of the sale) has been largely considered to be the same as any sale of goods (non-software) for cash. Attempting to limit what a buyer can do with a purchased good is a contract of adhesion and is generally found invalid. In order to apply such limitations, you need the buyer to explicitly sign a contract giving up various rights under UCC. EULA&#039;s don&#039;t work for that purpose.&lt;/em&gt;

Apparently you feel you know more than the Judge at this point.

&lt;strong&gt;Apple asks its customers to purchase Mac OS knowing that it is to be used only with Apple computers (Compl. ¶ 28). It is certainly entitled to do so.&lt;/strong&gt;

And as far as contract of adhesion, IMHO you do not know what you are talking about.  Adhesion contracts require some very specific factual situations which I do not believe apply here.  The consumer has a wide range of choices for such services, including open source alternatives. The service is not one involving basic necessities. The duty is not &quot;onerous,&quot; and no, once you buy something it is not your &quot;right&quot; to do with it what you please.  For instance, you cannot make copies of it and sell it.

Lastly, you are not buying the software.  You are buying a license.  There is a difference.  You may not like that reality, but sometimes reality bites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further:</p>
<p><em>As to the enforceability (or not) of EULA&#8217;s, I think the most relevant point is that EULA&#8217;s which contain terms contrary to the Universal Commercial Code are largely found to be unenforceable as to those conflicting terms. In particular, the over-the-counter sale of software (that is a sale without a separate signed contract governing the terms of the sale) has been largely considered to be the same as any sale of goods (non-software) for cash. Attempting to limit what a buyer can do with a purchased good is a contract of adhesion and is generally found invalid. In order to apply such limitations, you need the buyer to explicitly sign a contract giving up various rights under UCC. EULA&#8217;s don&#8217;t work for that purpose.</em></p>
<p>Apparently you feel you know more than the Judge at this point.</p>
<p><strong>Apple asks its customers to purchase Mac OS knowing that it is to be used only with Apple computers (Compl. ¶ 28). It is certainly entitled to do so.</strong></p>
<p>And as far as contract of adhesion, IMHO you do not know what you are talking about.  Adhesion contracts require some very specific factual situations which I do not believe apply here.  The consumer has a wide range of choices for such services, including open source alternatives. The service is not one involving basic necessities. The duty is not &#8220;onerous,&#8221; and no, once you buy something it is not your &#8220;right&#8221; to do with it what you please.  For instance, you cannot make copies of it and sell it.</p>
<p>Lastly, you are not buying the software.  You are buying a license.  There is a difference.  You may not like that reality, but sometimes reality bites.</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzle</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dizzle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;As far as I’m concerned reading that, if I take one of the two white Apple stickers included in the box and stick it on the side of a Dell, I’ve created an “Apple-labeled computer,” and that should be the end of that.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;You have GOT to be kidding me.&lt;/strong&gt;  That has to be one of the most retarded things I have read yet.  It is because of people like you that the legislature has to wrote tomes on something which is simple common sense.  If you don&#039;t know what is intended by Apple-labeled hardware, then you are hopelessly obtuse or looking for a loophole.  That is not a good faith interpretation whatsoever, and if that is how you operate, I pity anyone who enters into contractual agreements with you since you obviously will obfuscate the common sense to your own liking when it suits you.

I guess it all depends upon what &quot;is&quot; &quot;is&quot; right Mr. Clinton?

And you are correct, the EULA &lt;em&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; limited to upgrades.  I don&#039;t know where that commenter got that information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As far as I’m concerned reading that, if I take one of the two white Apple stickers included in the box and stick it on the side of a Dell, I’ve created an “Apple-labeled computer,” and that should be the end of that.</em></p>
<p><strong>You have GOT to be kidding me.</strong>  That has to be one of the most retarded things I have read yet.  It is because of people like you that the legislature has to wrote tomes on something which is simple common sense.  If you don&#8217;t know what is intended by Apple-labeled hardware, then you are hopelessly obtuse or looking for a loophole.  That is not a good faith interpretation whatsoever, and if that is how you operate, I pity anyone who enters into contractual agreements with you since you obviously will obfuscate the common sense to your own liking when it suits you.</p>
<p>I guess it all depends upon what &#8220;is&#8221; &#8220;is&#8221; right Mr. Clinton?</p>
<p>And you are correct, the EULA <em>isn&#8217;t</em> limited to upgrades.  I don&#8217;t know where that commenter got that information.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Bedell</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachary Bedell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could someone quote chapter &amp; verse to back up the claim that Apple only sells &quot;upgrade&quot; licenses to Leopard?  I&#039;ve read the EULA in my boxed copy of Leopard, and there&#039;s no mention what so ever that the included grant of license is valid only if I have a pre-existing copy of OS X to upgrade.

The only relevant language that I can find is:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As far as I&#039;m concerned reading that, if I take one of the two white Apple stickers included in the box and stick it on the side of a Dell, I&#039;ve created an &quot;Apple-labeled computer,&quot; and that should be the end of that.

The only references to &quot;upgrade&quot; in the entire license are:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The terms of this License will govern any software upgrades provided by Apple that replace and/or supplement the original Apple Software product, unless such upgrade is accompanied by a separate license in which case the terms of that license will govern.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I presume that&#039;s intended to cover to software updates like 10.5.6.  Specifically, the original license still covers patches.  Perfectly sensible there.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
I. Use of Adobe Color Proﬁles. You may use the Adobe Color Proﬁle software included with the Apple Software pursuant to this License, but Adobe is under no obligation to provide any support for the Color Proﬁles hereunder, including upgrades or future versions of the Proﬁles or other items.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Clearly, that has nothing to do with the OS itself.

Searching for &quot;update,&quot; I get:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Updates: If an Apple Software update completely replaces (full install) a previously licensed version of the Apple Software, you may not use both versions of the Apple Software at the same time nor may you transfer them separately.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That bit seems so vague as to be meaningless.  Granted, &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; I install Leopard over Tiger, it&#039;s a complete replacement.  But I could just as easily install Leopard on a completely blank hard drive and have no such replacement.  My reading of that term is that it&#039;s intended to attempt to invalidate the license of any existing previous version; but it has no effect regarding rights of the current licensed product at hand.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Apple is not obligated to provide any updates, maintenance, warranty, technical or other support, or services for the resultant modiﬁed Apple Software.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
You agree that Apple and its subsidiaries may collect and use technical and related information, including but not limited to technical information about your computer, system and application software, and peripherals, that is gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, product support and other services to you (if any) related to the Apple Software, and to verify compliance with the terms of this License.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It seems pretty clear that Apple has made no attempt to claim that the boxed version of Leopard may only be used as an upgrade for a previous version of the product.


As to the enforceability (or not) of EULA&#039;s, I think the most relevant point is that EULA&#039;s which contain terms contrary to the Universal Commercial Code are largely found to be unenforceable as to those conflicting terms.  In particular, the over-the-counter sale of software (that is a sale without a separate signed contract governing the terms of the sale) has been largely considered to be the same as any sale of goods (non-software) for cash.  Attempting to limit what a buyer can do with a purchased good is a contract of adhesion and is generally found invalid.  In order to apply such limitations, you need the buyer to explicitly sign a contract giving up various rights under UCC.  EULA&#039;s don&#039;t work for that purpose.

The EULA as a whole certainly still holds, but when a company attempts to limit what buyers can do beyond what a reasonable person would expect, courts generally find the EULA invalid.  I personally believe that a reasonable technically minded individual would expect to be able to install a purchased operating system on any piece of hardware capable of running it.  I would further expect it reasonable that a person possessing the knowledge to do so could freely work around any mechanisms which exist solely to artificially limit the types of hardware on which a particular piece of software can run.  Vis., Linux on PlayStation&#039;s.  Granted in that case, the restrictions are placed on the hardware rather than on the software, but I think the basic case stands.  Once you&#039;ve paid money for it, what you do with it is your business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone quote chapter &amp; verse to back up the claim that Apple only sells &#8220;upgrade&#8221; licenses to Leopard?  I&#8217;ve read the EULA in my boxed copy of Leopard, and there&#8217;s no mention what so ever that the included grant of license is valid only if I have a pre-existing copy of OS X to upgrade.</p>
<p>The only relevant language that I can find is:</p>
<blockquote><p>
This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.
</p></blockquote>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned reading that, if I take one of the two white Apple stickers included in the box and stick it on the side of a Dell, I&#8217;ve created an &#8220;Apple-labeled computer,&#8221; and that should be the end of that.</p>
<p>The only references to &#8220;upgrade&#8221; in the entire license are:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The terms of this License will govern any software upgrades provided by Apple that replace and/or supplement the original Apple Software product, unless such upgrade is accompanied by a separate license in which case the terms of that license will govern.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I presume that&#8217;s intended to cover to software updates like 10.5.6.  Specifically, the original license still covers patches.  Perfectly sensible there.</p>
<blockquote><p>
I. Use of Adobe Color Proﬁles. You may use the Adobe Color Proﬁle software included with the Apple Software pursuant to this License, but Adobe is under no obligation to provide any support for the Color Proﬁles hereunder, including upgrades or future versions of the Proﬁles or other items.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Clearly, that has nothing to do with the OS itself.</p>
<p>Searching for &#8220;update,&#8221; I get:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Updates: If an Apple Software update completely replaces (full install) a previously licensed version of the Apple Software, you may not use both versions of the Apple Software at the same time nor may you transfer them separately.
</p></blockquote>
<p>That bit seems so vague as to be meaningless.  Granted, <i>if</i> I install Leopard over Tiger, it&#8217;s a complete replacement.  But I could just as easily install Leopard on a completely blank hard drive and have no such replacement.  My reading of that term is that it&#8217;s intended to attempt to invalidate the license of any existing previous version; but it has no effect regarding rights of the current licensed product at hand.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Apple is not obligated to provide any updates, maintenance, warranty, technical or other support, or services for the resultant modiﬁed Apple Software.
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>
You agree that Apple and its subsidiaries may collect and use technical and related information, including but not limited to technical information about your computer, system and application software, and peripherals, that is gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, product support and other services to you (if any) related to the Apple Software, and to verify compliance with the terms of this License.
</p></blockquote>
<p>It seems pretty clear that Apple has made no attempt to claim that the boxed version of Leopard may only be used as an upgrade for a previous version of the product.</p>
<p>As to the enforceability (or not) of EULA&#8217;s, I think the most relevant point is that EULA&#8217;s which contain terms contrary to the Universal Commercial Code are largely found to be unenforceable as to those conflicting terms.  In particular, the over-the-counter sale of software (that is a sale without a separate signed contract governing the terms of the sale) has been largely considered to be the same as any sale of goods (non-software) for cash.  Attempting to limit what a buyer can do with a purchased good is a contract of adhesion and is generally found invalid.  In order to apply such limitations, you need the buyer to explicitly sign a contract giving up various rights under UCC.  EULA&#8217;s don&#8217;t work for that purpose.</p>
<p>The EULA as a whole certainly still holds, but when a company attempts to limit what buyers can do beyond what a reasonable person would expect, courts generally find the EULA invalid.  I personally believe that a reasonable technically minded individual would expect to be able to install a purchased operating system on any piece of hardware capable of running it.  I would further expect it reasonable that a person possessing the knowledge to do so could freely work around any mechanisms which exist solely to artificially limit the types of hardware on which a particular piece of software can run.  Vis., Linux on PlayStation&#8217;s.  Granted in that case, the restrictions are placed on the hardware rather than on the software, but I think the basic case stands.  Once you&#8217;ve paid money for it, what you do with it is your business.</p>
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		<title>By: Thanh Nguyen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thanh Nguyen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These clone companys would definitely be justified if they actually shipped Leopard with their products, rather than unlicensed installs using upgrade licenses. Clones, cheap? For it to be legit, it would require a full license of OS X, which Apple only ships with a true Mac. I&#039;d definitely get one of these if say, they had a older functioning Mac included with them to make the license legit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These clone companys would definitely be justified if they actually shipped Leopard with their products, rather than unlicensed installs using upgrade licenses. Clones, cheap? For it to be legit, it would require a full license of OS X, which Apple only ships with a true Mac. I&#8217;d definitely get one of these if say, they had a older functioning Mac included with them to make the license legit.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dizzle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to clarify:  the ignorant comments were not in the article but in a few of the respondents.  The article was spot-on IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to clarify:  the ignorant comments were not in the article but in a few of the respondents.  The article was spot-on IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzle</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dizzle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article and comments.  I love how some people only seem to care about &quot;me, me, me&quot; and not about morality or legality.  I also love how the myth that EULAs are not enforceable is bandied about.  How about I quote from the actual Judge in this actual case?

&lt;strong&gt;Apple asks its customers to purchase Mac OS knowing that it is to be used only with Apple computers (Compl. ¶ 28).  It is certainly entitled to do so. &lt;/strong&gt;

Please read the material before making ignorant comments.


Here is the Court&#039;s legal rationale:

&lt;strong&gt;Newcal found such a single-brand aftermarket to be properly pled.  Newcal, however, distinguished two other appellate decisions which had found that contractually created aftermarkets could not be relevant antitrust markets.  Queen City Pizza, Inc. v. Domino’s Pizza, Inc., 124 F.3d 430 (3d Cir. 1997); Forsyth v. Humana, Inc., 114 F.3d 1467 (9th Cir. 1997). Applying Kodak’s reasoning, Newcal held that, although the law permits an antitrust claimant to restrict the relevant market to Kodak-style single-brand aftermarkets, “the law prohibits an antitrust claimant from resting on market power that arises solely from contractual rights that customers knowingly and voluntarily gave to the defendant (as in Queen City Pizza and Forsyth).”  Newcal Industries, Inc., 513 F.3d at 1048 (emphasis in original).  Psystar rests on precisely such a claim:  the counterclaim alleges that, by its End User License Agreement and other means, Apple specifically restricts the use of Mac OS to Apple-labeled computer hardware systems.  Customers, therefore, knowingly agree to the challenged restraint.4&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and comments.  I love how some people only seem to care about &#8220;me, me, me&#8221; and not about morality or legality.  I also love how the myth that EULAs are not enforceable is bandied about.  How about I quote from the actual Judge in this actual case?</p>
<p><strong>Apple asks its customers to purchase Mac OS knowing that it is to be used only with Apple computers (Compl. ¶ 28).  It is certainly entitled to do so. </strong></p>
<p>Please read the material before making ignorant comments.</p>
<p>Here is the Court&#8217;s legal rationale:</p>
<p><strong>Newcal found such a single-brand aftermarket to be properly pled.  Newcal, however, distinguished two other appellate decisions which had found that contractually created aftermarkets could not be relevant antitrust markets.  Queen City Pizza, Inc. v. Domino’s Pizza, Inc., 124 F.3d 430 (3d Cir. 1997); Forsyth v. Humana, Inc., 114 F.3d 1467 (9th Cir. 1997). Applying Kodak’s reasoning, Newcal held that, although the law permits an antitrust claimant to restrict the relevant market to Kodak-style single-brand aftermarkets, “the law prohibits an antitrust claimant from resting on market power that arises solely from contractual rights that customers knowingly and voluntarily gave to the defendant (as in Queen City Pizza and Forsyth).”  Newcal Industries, Inc., 513 F.3d at 1048 (emphasis in original).  Psystar rests on precisely such a claim:  the counterclaim alleges that, by its End User License Agreement and other means, Apple specifically restricts the use of Mac OS to Apple-labeled computer hardware systems.  Customers, therefore, knowingly agree to the challenged restraint.4</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Reestman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-clones-where-does-apple-draw-the-line/#comment-337023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Reestman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,

&quot;The box that these companies have been selling contain NO Apple IP. They are not duplicating Apple hardware designs.&quot;

They&#039;re selling a hardware solution designed to run Mac OS X for purposes that violate the EULA. Further, the MAC OS they&#039;re selling is an UPGRADE for existing Mac owners. It is NOT a license for new machines nor is it a package for resale. Even if they don&#039;t sell the OS, they&#039;re widely distributing a method to skirt the EULA for their own profit.

&quot;Bluntly, Apple could short-circuit the whole mess by selling a $225.00 copy of the OS with no guarantees or support for use on any “beige” box. &quot;

Huh? What makes you think the same people who refuse to honor Apple&#039;s terms now will honor them then? Not gonna happen. They&#039;ll whine, and piss and moan that Apple left them in the cold, a EULA that denies support is a rip-off, etc., and then the class-action law suits will ensue. Please.

Frankly, if people would honor agreements as much as you give them credit for, maybe the solution is for Apple to put in the EULA that you can only run Mac OS on Apple hardware. Oh wait...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>&#8220;The box that these companies have been selling contain NO Apple IP. They are not duplicating Apple hardware designs.&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re selling a hardware solution designed to run Mac OS X for purposes that violate the EULA. Further, the MAC OS they&#8217;re selling is an UPGRADE for existing Mac owners. It is NOT a license for new machines nor is it a package for resale. Even if they don&#8217;t sell the OS, they&#8217;re widely distributing a method to skirt the EULA for their own profit.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bluntly, Apple could short-circuit the whole mess by selling a $225.00 copy of the OS with no guarantees or support for use on any “beige” box. &#8221;</p>
<p>Huh? What makes you think the same people who refuse to honor Apple&#8217;s terms now will honor them then? Not gonna happen. They&#8217;ll whine, and piss and moan that Apple left them in the cold, a EULA that denies support is a rip-off, etc., and then the class-action law suits will ensue. Please.</p>
<p>Frankly, if people would honor agreements as much as you give them credit for, maybe the solution is for Apple to put in the EULA that you can only run Mac OS on Apple hardware. Oh wait&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Halbig</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Halbig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a BIG Mac booster -- ever since 1987 (shudder). My career has been connected to Macs ever since -- including a really cool stint at NASA upgrading their Macs (largest Mac Cube installation in the world, at least in 2003), 18 months as a Mac Genius, Apple Corporate, and so on. I thought that important to put the following comment in a better context. ;-)

The box that these companies have been selling contain NO Apple IP. They are not duplicating Apple hardware designs. The include a sealed copy of Mac OS X in the box, bought and paid for by Apple. They do NOT pre-install the OS.

As long as these are the conditions that a box is sold, it will be next to impossible for Apple to stop. Even if they manage to stop someone from producing a dongle in the US, there are plenty of places it could be obtained.

Bluntly, Apple could short-circuit the whole mess by selling a $225.00 copy of the OS with no guarantees or support for use on any &quot;beige&quot; box. Prohibit the OEM crowd from getting into the act unless they&#039;re willing to pay through the nose. New revenue stream, the semi-legit &quot;clone&quot; businesses go bye-bye.

I just purchased a refurbed Dell and installed Ubuntu on it for someone who&#039;s going back to school because they lost their job recently. That cost me $400.00, and they love it. Apple&#039;s current cheapest model is $1000.00. I used to argue against the &quot;elitist&quot; label that was applied to Mac users, but lately I&#039;m starting to wonder if perhaps it&#039;s warranted after all.

I&#039;ve noticed quite a few of these blogs on this topic, all with exactly the same tone -- considering recent revelations about favorable medical journals being ghost-written by pharm industry shills, not to mention tales of the DoD propaganda pool over the last 6 years, it&#039;s not a stretch to wonder if Apple is trying to shape the media narrative with well placed bloggers as well. Of course, I could just be cranky because this tin foil hat itches... ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a BIG Mac booster &#8212; ever since 1987 (shudder). My career has been connected to Macs ever since &#8212; including a really cool stint at NASA upgrading their Macs (largest Mac Cube installation in the world, at least in 2003), 18 months as a Mac Genius, Apple Corporate, and so on. I thought that important to put the following comment in a better context. ;-)</p>
<p>The box that these companies have been selling contain NO Apple IP. They are not duplicating Apple hardware designs. The include a sealed copy of Mac OS X in the box, bought and paid for by Apple. They do NOT pre-install the OS.</p>
<p>As long as these are the conditions that a box is sold, it will be next to impossible for Apple to stop. Even if they manage to stop someone from producing a dongle in the US, there are plenty of places it could be obtained.</p>
<p>Bluntly, Apple could short-circuit the whole mess by selling a $225.00 copy of the OS with no guarantees or support for use on any &#8220;beige&#8221; box. Prohibit the OEM crowd from getting into the act unless they&#8217;re willing to pay through the nose. New revenue stream, the semi-legit &#8220;clone&#8221; businesses go bye-bye.</p>
<p>I just purchased a refurbed Dell and installed Ubuntu on it for someone who&#8217;s going back to school because they lost their job recently. That cost me $400.00, and they love it. Apple&#8217;s current cheapest model is $1000.00. I used to argue against the &#8220;elitist&#8221; label that was applied to Mac users, but lately I&#8217;m starting to wonder if perhaps it&#8217;s warranted after all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed quite a few of these blogs on this topic, all with exactly the same tone &#8212; considering recent revelations about favorable medical journals being ghost-written by pharm industry shills, not to mention tales of the DoD propaganda pool over the last 6 years, it&#8217;s not a stretch to wonder if Apple is trying to shape the media narrative with well placed bloggers as well. Of course, I could just be cranky because this tin foil hat itches&#8230; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: vanfruniken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vanfruniken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correct me if I am wrong, but isn&#039;t the fact that the EFI-X dongle works &quot;caused&quot; by the fact that it implements EFI?

The PCworld has been blatantly ignoring EFI, the successor to BIOS. Don&#039;t forget that this EFI standard was created by many major players in the PC hardware business, including Intel.

So don&#039;t blame EFI-X too soon. If the PCmakers had been smarter and had put EFI in their boxes, the &quot;problem&quot; would have appeared much sooner.

Apple&#039;s insight in the PC industry that refuses to innovate is remarkable and puts them at least one step ahead of every one else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I am wrong, but isn&#8217;t the fact that the EFI-X dongle works &#8220;caused&#8221; by the fact that it implements EFI?</p>
<p>The PCworld has been blatantly ignoring EFI, the successor to BIOS. Don&#8217;t forget that this EFI standard was created by many major players in the PC hardware business, including Intel.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t blame EFI-X too soon. If the PCmakers had been smarter and had put EFI in their boxes, the &#8220;problem&#8221; would have appeared much sooner.</p>
<p>Apple&#8217;s insight in the PC industry that refuses to innovate is remarkable and puts them at least one step ahead of every one else.</p>
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