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		<title>By: Apple Fever - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts on Apple - Powered by SocialRank</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/living-one-mac-generation-behind/#comment-322952</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/living-one-mac-generation-behind/#comment-322943</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s certainly no shame in working on a machine a generation behind, even more than one.  I do most of my &quot;everyday computing&quot; on an iBook G3.  I bought it knowing that it was a previous-generation model; had I intended to use it for such things as programming or video editing, then I would have bought the prevailing speed demon at the time, the PowerBook G4.

It&#039;s now going on five years old and has been great for Office, e-mail, Web surfing, watching DVDs, and other consumer applications.  It doesn&#039;t have the horsepower to handle Apple&#039;s latest multimedia apps, and I&#039;ve never expected it to.  This little iBook may be antique but it is not obsolete.  It allows me to do the work I want to do,  the way I want to.  Yes, I would be able to get rid of my Wintel tower if I upgraded to a MacBook Pro, but I don&#039;t think that I would be that much more productive (and I&#039;m sure that something else would manage to fill the void on my desk).  Right now I just don&#039;t need the extra horsepower or Leopard or anything that an Intel-based Mac provides, and so I&#039;m willing to take the tradeoffs.

I think that is the heart of your question - tradeoffs.  Not what are you missing out on, but is there something you&#039;d like to do that your current Mac can&#039;t?  And you&#039;ve made the answer obvious.  There is some Intel-only software you&#039;d like to use and you can&#039;t do that on a G4.  Of course, the difference between &quot;would like to&quot; and &quot;need to&quot; is an expensive one, but thinking different does often come with a price.  ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s certainly no shame in working on a machine a generation behind, even more than one.  I do most of my &#8220;everyday computing&#8221; on an iBook G3.  I bought it knowing that it was a previous-generation model; had I intended to use it for such things as programming or video editing, then I would have bought the prevailing speed demon at the time, the PowerBook G4.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s now going on five years old and has been great for Office, e-mail, Web surfing, watching DVDs, and other consumer applications.  It doesn&#8217;t have the horsepower to handle Apple&#8217;s latest multimedia apps, and I&#8217;ve never expected it to.  This little iBook may be antique but it is not obsolete.  It allows me to do the work I want to do,  the way I want to.  Yes, I would be able to get rid of my Wintel tower if I upgraded to a MacBook Pro, but I don&#8217;t think that I would be that much more productive (and I&#8217;m sure that something else would manage to fill the void on my desk).  Right now I just don&#8217;t need the extra horsepower or Leopard or anything that an Intel-based Mac provides, and so I&#8217;m willing to take the tradeoffs.</p>
<p>I think that is the heart of your question &#8211; tradeoffs.  Not what are you missing out on, but is there something you&#8217;d like to do that your current Mac can&#8217;t?  And you&#8217;ve made the answer obvious.  There is some Intel-only software you&#8217;d like to use and you can&#8217;t do that on a G4.  Of course, the difference between &#8220;would like to&#8221; and &#8220;need to&#8221; is an expensive one, but thinking different does often come with a price.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: FOSHAN</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/living-one-mac-generation-behind/#comment-322931</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, rendering QT can be slow along with some other processor intense operations. Yes, I’d like to run XP natively and dump Virtual PC. But it all works so well now that I don’t want to mess up a good thing. Buying a laptop is a crap shoot. Apple has the best odds in this game, but it’s still a matter of luck on whether you end up with a frustrating lemon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, rendering QT can be slow along with some other processor intense operations. Yes, I’d like to run XP natively and dump Virtual PC. But it all works so well now that I don’t want to mess up a good thing. Buying a laptop is a crap shoot. Apple has the best odds in this game, but it’s still a matter of luck on whether you end up with a frustrating lemon.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/living-one-mac-generation-behind/#comment-322949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t agree with you more:

&quot;Software keeps getting bigger and more bloated, why? Because software developers assume that people will go out and buy the latest hardware just to run the software. It’s a self-propegating cycle and everyone is guilty of it, Apple included.&quot;

That is one of the many reasons why I left Microsoft for Apple.  I feel Apple is also getting a little &quot;too big&quot;.

Consumerism is rampant everywhere we look in our society.  As a consultant, I have dumbfounded many clients by telling them they didn&#039;t need that software or such.  I told them however, if they wanted to get it it was purely because they wanted it not because they needed it.

What I am also seeing more and more are people saying their old computers work just fine.  It shouldn&#039;t be understood as only hardware but software.  Plenty of updated software just isn&#039;t worth it. Some are only good for those who really use every bit of it.  But how many of us use every bits and pieces of software?  Probably not many.

Now for professional, that might be a different story. Overall, I agree with you.  Did I come across otherwise?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more:</p>
<p>&#8220;Software keeps getting bigger and more bloated, why? Because software developers assume that people will go out and buy the latest hardware just to run the software. It’s a self-propegating cycle and everyone is guilty of it, Apple included.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is one of the many reasons why I left Microsoft for Apple.  I feel Apple is also getting a little &#8220;too big&#8221;.</p>
<p>Consumerism is rampant everywhere we look in our society.  As a consultant, I have dumbfounded many clients by telling them they didn&#8217;t need that software or such.  I told them however, if they wanted to get it it was purely because they wanted it not because they needed it.</p>
<p>What I am also seeing more and more are people saying their old computers work just fine.  It shouldn&#8217;t be understood as only hardware but software.  Plenty of updated software just isn&#8217;t worth it. Some are only good for those who really use every bit of it.  But how many of us use every bits and pieces of software?  Probably not many.</p>
<p>Now for professional, that might be a different story. Overall, I agree with you.  Did I come across otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: AMGoff</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/living-one-mac-generation-behind/#comment-322948</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick, agreed. But a big part of it is not so much resisting the newest hardware, but instead resisting the software.

Software keeps getting bigger and more bloated, why? Because software developers assume that people will go out and buy the latest hardware just to run the software. It&#039;s a self-propegating cycle and everyone is guilty of it, Apple included.

The fact remains that a 603 still runs System 7 or OS 8 very quickly, but once you throw 9.2 on there things start to bog down and don&#039;t even think of X. It all boils down to wasteful consumerism, if people could actually sit down and prioritize what they need a computer to do and be satisfied how it does it then these two year purchase cycles would decrease dramatically. If that were to happen software developers would be forced to trim the fat and optimize their code for specific systems once they realize people aren&#039;t going to go buy the fastest computer out there just to run their software.

The market should respond to the consumer, not the other way around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, agreed. But a big part of it is not so much resisting the newest hardware, but instead resisting the software.</p>
<p>Software keeps getting bigger and more bloated, why? Because software developers assume that people will go out and buy the latest hardware just to run the software. It&#8217;s a self-propegating cycle and everyone is guilty of it, Apple included.</p>
<p>The fact remains that a 603 still runs System 7 or OS 8 very quickly, but once you throw 9.2 on there things start to bog down and don&#8217;t even think of X. It all boils down to wasteful consumerism, if people could actually sit down and prioritize what they need a computer to do and be satisfied how it does it then these two year purchase cycles would decrease dramatically. If that were to happen software developers would be forced to trim the fat and optimize their code for specific systems once they realize people aren&#8217;t going to go buy the fastest computer out there just to run their software.</p>
<p>The market should respond to the consumer, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/living-one-mac-generation-behind/#comment-322947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, of course most everything does.  The marketing frenzy that pushes people to upgrade to ge the latest can only last for so long.

I am starting to hear more and more about people saying they have enough and don&#039;t need more.  A friend&#039;s laptop was dropped. He bought a new one.  He gasped when I told him he was buying another license for Windows he already owns from his other laptop.  Things like that are making people think a little.

My DVD player is still good.  I have old cars, out of passion mostly.  I old speakers, an old stereo and have no need to upgrade anything as long as it all works.  Which should scare the industry and explain why things break down more frequently at earlier stages.

Either that, or I&#039;m part of a wave that is not the early adopters but the second wave...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, of course most everything does.  The marketing frenzy that pushes people to upgrade to ge the latest can only last for so long.</p>
<p>I am starting to hear more and more about people saying they have enough and don&#8217;t need more.  A friend&#8217;s laptop was dropped. He bought a new one.  He gasped when I told him he was buying another license for Windows he already owns from his other laptop.  Things like that are making people think a little.</p>
<p>My DVD player is still good.  I have old cars, out of passion mostly.  I old speakers, an old stereo and have no need to upgrade anything as long as it all works.  Which should scare the industry and explain why things break down more frequently at earlier stages.</p>
<p>Either that, or I&#8217;m part of a wave that is not the early adopters but the second wave&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/living-one-mac-generation-behind/#comment-322946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, of course most everything does.  The marketing frenzy that pushes people to upgrade to ge the latest can only last for so long.

I am starting to hear more and more about people saying they have enough and don&#039;t need more.  A friend&#039;s laptop was dropped. He bought a new one.  He gasped when I told him he was buying another license for Windows he already owns from his other laptop.  Things like that are making people think a little.

Either that, or I&#039;m part of a wave that is not the early adopters but the second wave...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, of course most everything does.  The marketing frenzy that pushes people to upgrade to ge the latest can only last for so long.</p>
<p>I am starting to hear more and more about people saying they have enough and don&#8217;t need more.  A friend&#8217;s laptop was dropped. He bought a new one.  He gasped when I told him he was buying another license for Windows he already owns from his other laptop.  Things like that are making people think a little.</p>
<p>Either that, or I&#8217;m part of a wave that is not the early adopters but the second wave&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Undrpsi</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/living-one-mac-generation-behind/#comment-322945</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This discussion can be about anything...cars, boats, TV&#039;s. It boils down to 3 questions. Does your current (TV, car, or computer) still do most of the tasks demanded of it? Would the new (enter item here) drastically change your use of it? And last but not least...Can you afford it?
I replaced my well used iBook G4 with a refurbed Macbook (in black) core duo last year. Anything written in universal is faster than a politician voting for a raise. Anything older ran just fine but you cold tell the macbook was idling half the time. Last week I purchased a snow iMac at Fryes for $999 (4 days before they were $1499). It replaced HP PIV that was loaded out...the  iMac runs XP faster than a PC box (boot camp). Did my old ones work..Yep. Did the new ones drastically change the way I do things...yep. Could I afford them....yep (especially the refurb and clearance sal prices).
My .02 worth..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion can be about anything&#8230;cars, boats, TV&#8217;s. It boils down to 3 questions. Does your current (TV, car, or computer) still do most of the tasks demanded of it? Would the new (enter item here) drastically change your use of it? And last but not least&#8230;Can you afford it?<br />
I replaced my well used iBook G4 with a refurbed Macbook (in black) core duo last year. Anything written in universal is faster than a politician voting for a raise. Anything older ran just fine but you cold tell the macbook was idling half the time. Last week I purchased a snow iMac at Fryes for $999 (4 days before they were $1499). It replaced HP PIV that was loaded out&#8230;the  iMac runs XP faster than a PC box (boot camp). Did my old ones work..Yep. Did the new ones drastically change the way I do things&#8230;yep. Could I afford them&#8230;.yep (especially the refurb and clearance sal prices).<br />
My .02 worth..</p>
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		<title>By: AMGoff</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/living-one-mac-generation-behind/#comment-322944</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[H. Kintama - I don&#039;t know how much processing speed you need but if a G4 still provides enough &quot;oomph&quot; for your needs and you&#039;re looking for a nice machine for a good price, wegenermedia.com has some good deals on 15&quot; aluminum G4s ranging from  $689 for a 1GHz to $849 for a 1.5GHz. Here&#039;s the direct link:

http://www.wegenermedia.com/alum15.htm

I&#039;ve purchased quite a few things from them and they are really good to deal with, they even offer 1 year extended warranties as an add on option. I&#039;ve been seriously thinking about buying the 1.25GHz.. heck I might even go for the 1.5. Since I&#039;ve been more than happy with my 500MHz G3 I feel there is more than enough room for another PowerPC upgrade before I make the switch to Intel, that fast G4 would problem suit my needs until say 2012 or so. Just imagine what kind of machines they&#039;ll have out then, I&#039;d probably be able to pick up a 16-core PowerBook by that time (I&#039;m still hoping the change the name back!).  Even G5s are coming down in price now so I even have room to do one more PowerPC desktop before I make that switch too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H. Kintama &#8211; I don&#8217;t know how much processing speed you need but if a G4 still provides enough &#8220;oomph&#8221; for your needs and you&#8217;re looking for a nice machine for a good price, wegenermedia.com has some good deals on 15&#8243; aluminum G4s ranging from  $689 for a 1GHz to $849 for a 1.5GHz. Here&#8217;s the direct link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wegenermedia.com/alum15.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.wegenermedia.com/alum15.htm</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve purchased quite a few things from them and they are really good to deal with, they even offer 1 year extended warranties as an add on option. I&#8217;ve been seriously thinking about buying the 1.25GHz.. heck I might even go for the 1.5. Since I&#8217;ve been more than happy with my 500MHz G3 I feel there is more than enough room for another PowerPC upgrade before I make the switch to Intel, that fast G4 would problem suit my needs until say 2012 or so. Just imagine what kind of machines they&#8217;ll have out then, I&#8217;d probably be able to pick up a 16-core PowerBook by that time (I&#8217;m still hoping the change the name back!).  Even G5s are coming down in price now so I even have room to do one more PowerPC desktop before I make that switch too.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/living-one-mac-generation-behind/#comment-322942</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve posted before, see post #34 above. Macbook Pro 17 arrived yesterday. First impressions other than speed/size/capacity etc over the 12&quot; powerbook. Well, the biggest thing for me is that as this thing is hardly ticking over for normal computer tasks, versus the G4, the CPU isn&#039;t working hard so it&#039;s no where near as hot. Much quieter too, the fans only kick in with 3d Gaming, and so far is still quieter than the 12&quot;. I love the size of the 12&quot; though, it&#039;s a great little machine. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted before, see post #34 above. Macbook Pro 17 arrived yesterday. First impressions other than speed/size/capacity etc over the 12&#8243; powerbook. Well, the biggest thing for me is that as this thing is hardly ticking over for normal computer tasks, versus the G4, the CPU isn&#8217;t working hard so it&#8217;s no where near as hot. Much quieter too, the fans only kick in with 3d Gaming, and so far is still quieter than the 12&#8243;. I love the size of the 12&#8243; though, it&#8217;s a great little machine. :)</p>
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