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	<title>Comments on: iPhone Turn-by-Turn Directions Via Subscription? No Thanks</title>
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		<title>By: cj</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-turn-by-turn-directions-via-subscription-no-thanks/#comment-349930</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The people who buy the iPhone are not truly interested in turn-by-turn, talk to me while I am driving and tell me if I am going the wrong way computerized GPS/Navigation systems.  Otherwise they would not buy it if they wanted that as a phone feature. I have waited for 2 years now and I am so disappointed. I have a Blackberry Bold which has great GPS voice navigation.

There truly is no comparison because I actually thought about really getting the Iphone 3GS, but when I saw the demo for the Maps + Compass, I was not impressed. I even tried the new software (for $9.99 upgrade) out on my Ipod Touch, which is almost equal to the original iPhone with no monthly payments or contract or ability to call, but I tried the updated app at home with wifi and I thought: How am I supposed to click on all those screens to 1) see what the street looks like of my destination or 2) turn the maps 90, or 180 or 360 degrees and 3) so forth....I think all those Iphone 3GS features are nice, but give me one more feature--click here to get voice turn-by-turn. Even if Iphone/AT&amp;T charged me monthly $11 or so like Blackberry, it would be worth hearing that voice navigate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who buy the iPhone are not truly interested in turn-by-turn, talk to me while I am driving and tell me if I am going the wrong way computerized GPS/Navigation systems.  Otherwise they would not buy it if they wanted that as a phone feature. I have waited for 2 years now and I am so disappointed. I have a Blackberry Bold which has great GPS voice navigation.</p>
<p>There truly is no comparison because I actually thought about really getting the Iphone 3GS, but when I saw the demo for the Maps + Compass, I was not impressed. I even tried the new software (for $9.99 upgrade) out on my Ipod Touch, which is almost equal to the original iPhone with no monthly payments or contract or ability to call, but I tried the updated app at home with wifi and I thought: How am I supposed to click on all those screens to 1) see what the street looks like of my destination or 2) turn the maps 90, or 180 or 360 degrees and 3) so forth&#8230;.I think all those Iphone 3GS features are nice, but give me one more feature&#8211;click here to get voice turn-by-turn. Even if Iphone/AT&amp;T charged me monthly $11 or so like Blackberry, it would be worth hearing that voice navigate.</p>
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		<title>By: GPS HANDHELD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GPS HANDHELD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hiii...its a good application but its size on memory is quite large ...8GB iphone user need to think twice before installing it...and also there is voice directives in it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiii&#8230;its a good application but its size on memory is quite large &#8230;8GB iphone user need to think twice before installing it&#8230;and also there is voice directives in it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-turn-by-turn-directions-via-subscription-no-thanks/#comment-349928</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. I think that is the way to go. You pick a state and get maps for that state bundled with your initial purchase. You can then buy maps for other regions as you need. Your phone memory won&#039;t be eaten up by maps that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I think that is the way to go. You pick a state and get maps for that state bundled with your initial purchase. You can then buy maps for other regions as you need. Your phone memory won&#8217;t be eaten up by maps that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Smith</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-turn-by-turn-directions-via-subscription-no-thanks/#comment-349927</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree 100%. I will NOT subscribe for software. The fact that standalone GPS&#039;s are now quite affordable and will probably outperform the iPhone makes the reasonable price point of no more than $49.99. 

$120.00 a year....?! AT&amp;T your nuts AND greedy IMO. 

Due to the iPhone&#039;s limitations, data connection, battery etc. An iPhone version of turn by turn will never be a hard core alternative, it will be closer to a &quot;nice to have&quot; feature in the event that your stuck in the middle of the city with a good battery condition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100%. I will NOT subscribe for software. The fact that standalone GPS&#8217;s are now quite affordable and will probably outperform the iPhone makes the reasonable price point of no more than $49.99. </p>
<p>$120.00 a year&#8230;.?! AT&amp;T your nuts AND greedy IMO. </p>
<p>Due to the iPhone&#8217;s limitations, data connection, battery etc. An iPhone version of turn by turn will never be a hard core alternative, it will be closer to a &#8220;nice to have&#8221; feature in the event that your stuck in the middle of the city with a good battery condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Shock Me</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shock Me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since you have no need for iPods and just need a phone with good GPS and some other nice functions the Instinct is a good choice. If the iPhone did not exist I would now own an Instinct having seen it in action for many things. The Instinct is an excellent product.

I think there are many dedicated electronics the iPhone will NEVER replace (such as point and shoot cameras with decent lens and zoom capbility). I suspect that the proper business models for GPS will find their way on to the iPhone and be quite successful. Since I seldom travel and don&#039;t have to deal with LA Traffic this is a feature I would use very seldom on either phone. Google maps with Compass and GPS on the iPhone work very nicely with paper maps I already own.

I could get by with a nice windshield mount and the software that comes with the iPhone. But hey if someone like TomTom come up with a good product that makes sense for me, I there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you have no need for iPods and just need a phone with good GPS and some other nice functions the Instinct is a good choice. If the iPhone did not exist I would now own an Instinct having seen it in action for many things. The Instinct is an excellent product.</p>
<p>I think there are many dedicated electronics the iPhone will NEVER replace (such as point and shoot cameras with decent lens and zoom capbility). I suspect that the proper business models for GPS will find their way on to the iPhone and be quite successful. Since I seldom travel and don&#8217;t have to deal with LA Traffic this is a feature I would use very seldom on either phone. Google maps with Compass and GPS on the iPhone work very nicely with paper maps I already own.</p>
<p>I could get by with a nice windshield mount and the software that comes with the iPhone. But hey if someone like TomTom come up with a good product that makes sense for me, I there.</p>
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		<title>By: gngcreative</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-turn-by-turn-directions-via-subscription-no-thanks/#comment-349925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gngcreative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting discussion. I hadn&#039;t realized the iPhone was sans decent GPS. Nothing against the iPhone, but since I&#039;m with Sprint, allergic to AT&amp;T, and not at all into iPods, I&#039;ve not given it much of a look.

The Samsung Instinct has great turn-by-turn spoken and visual GPS courtesy of Navquest. Living as I do in Los Angeles, I find the live traffic info and ability to reroute around the traffic jams an occasional life saver. The fact that it integrates with the contacts list and Live Search (or anywhere an address shows up, for that matter) just puts cherries on the cake, imho. No subscription, no extra download, no licensing fee... seems to me a much better model from the consumer point of view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion. I hadn&#8217;t realized the iPhone was sans decent GPS. Nothing against the iPhone, but since I&#8217;m with Sprint, allergic to AT&amp;T, and not at all into iPods, I&#8217;ve not given it much of a look.</p>
<p>The Samsung Instinct has great turn-by-turn spoken and visual GPS courtesy of Navquest. Living as I do in Los Angeles, I find the live traffic info and ability to reroute around the traffic jams an occasional life saver. The fact that it integrates with the contacts list and Live Search (or anywhere an address shows up, for that matter) just puts cherries on the cake, imho. No subscription, no extra download, no licensing fee&#8230; seems to me a much better model from the consumer point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-turn-by-turn-directions-via-subscription-no-thanks/#comment-349924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that this all sounds great, but this isn&#039;t a new type of product for TomTom and their competitors.  I have the TomTom software and maps installed on my old Windows Mobile device and if I remember correctly it was about $100 for the software/maps - and about $100 for a bluetooth GPS receiver.

TomTom list the North America map on its own as $70

TomTom will also try and sell their subscription model with this as it&#039;s for a connected iPhone... this includes traffic alerts etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this all sounds great, but this isn&#8217;t a new type of product for TomTom and their competitors.  I have the TomTom software and maps installed on my old Windows Mobile device and if I remember correctly it was about $100 for the software/maps &#8211; and about $100 for a bluetooth GPS receiver.</p>
<p>TomTom list the North America map on its own as $70</p>
<p>TomTom will also try and sell their subscription model with this as it&#8217;s for a connected iPhone&#8230; this includes traffic alerts etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Billy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Wayne 

I&#039;ve been using G-Maps US West for (non-voice) Turn-by-Turn since it&#039;s release and it works fine with or without a data connection. 

Right now there&#039;s no voice, but I&#039;m hopeful that they&#039;ll update. The price is much more reasonable than anything out there at the moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wayne </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using G-Maps US West for (non-voice) Turn-by-Turn since it&#8217;s release and it works fine with or without a data connection. </p>
<p>Right now there&#8217;s no voice, but I&#8217;m hopeful that they&#8217;ll update. The price is much more reasonable than anything out there at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: sitting pugs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sitting pugs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I want my maps with me, not in the cloud somewhere.&quot;

--Hilarious!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I want my maps with me, not in the cloud somewhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Hilarious!</p>
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		<title>By: jamessye</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-turn-by-turn-directions-via-subscription-no-thanks/#comment-349921</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jamessye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or you could just use a map.... I&#039;m just saying =]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or you could just use a map&#8230;. I&#8217;m just saying =]</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Breger</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-turn-by-turn-directions-via-subscription-no-thanks/#comment-349920</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Breger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I travel, I take my small portable Garmin and rely on that to get me where I need to go.  It just works well.  It&#039;s a pain to try to use the iPhone for navigation in a car.  However, when I am walking or not near my car, I use the iPhone.

Sometimes a dedicated device is best.

- Ron
http://www.BaywideTechnology.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I travel, I take my small portable Garmin and rely on that to get me where I need to go.  It just works well.  It&#8217;s a pain to try to use the iPhone for navigation in a car.  However, when I am walking or not near my car, I use the iPhone.</p>
<p>Sometimes a dedicated device is best.</p>
<p>- Ron<br />
<a href="http://www.BaywideTechnology.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.BaywideTechnology.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shock Me</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-turn-by-turn-directions-via-subscription-no-thanks/#comment-349919</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shock Me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would be happy to make a one-time purchase of the basic app with a free local map and then use in app pricing for each region I enter. That way my phone isn&#039;t cluttered with maps to places I&#039;m not going. Google maps and GPS will work fine in the interim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be happy to make a one-time purchase of the basic app with a free local map and then use in app pricing for each region I enter. That way my phone isn&#8217;t cluttered with maps to places I&#8217;m not going. Google maps and GPS will work fine in the interim.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@pdferguson - I think you can still put a fair amount of detail even in a small map file. I used to use Mapopolis on my Palm T3, like 4 or 5 years ago.  That gave me scrolling maps, turn-by-turn directions, and even spoke road names aloud -- which precious few systems *today* seem to do well.  It was like $100, and software only (Navteq maps, bring your own GPS).

But I was able to put detailed maps for my home area (Northern Virginia, Washington DC, and suburban Maryland), plus frequent vacation destinations, all on a county-by-county basis and, all told, taking less than half of my 128MB SD card.

Hell, even current Garmin maps come on a single DVD, which, even if it&#039;s dual layer, would &quot;only&quot; be 9 gig.  Find an easy way to reduce it to a county-by-county level, with maybe highway and major US and state routes for the full country, and it&#039;d be an easy fit on the iPhone.

Ultimately, I gotta agree with the author -- as this is a software product, you shouldn&#039;t be paying hardware prices. And there&#039;s a big psychological edge to some of the lower prices -- $50, especially if it&#039;s an annual thing, I&#039;d probably do once. $30, or even $50, with a $15 annual update, I&#039;d be a lot more likely to buy and keep up-to-date.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pdferguson &#8211; I think you can still put a fair amount of detail even in a small map file. I used to use Mapopolis on my Palm T3, like 4 or 5 years ago.  That gave me scrolling maps, turn-by-turn directions, and even spoke road names aloud &#8212; which precious few systems *today* seem to do well.  It was like $100, and software only (Navteq maps, bring your own GPS).</p>
<p>But I was able to put detailed maps for my home area (Northern Virginia, Washington DC, and suburban Maryland), plus frequent vacation destinations, all on a county-by-county basis and, all told, taking less than half of my 128MB SD card.</p>
<p>Hell, even current Garmin maps come on a single DVD, which, even if it&#8217;s dual layer, would &#8220;only&#8221; be 9 gig.  Find an easy way to reduce it to a county-by-county level, with maybe highway and major US and state routes for the full country, and it&#8217;d be an easy fit on the iPhone.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I gotta agree with the author &#8212; as this is a software product, you shouldn&#8217;t be paying hardware prices. And there&#8217;s a big psychological edge to some of the lower prices &#8212; $50, especially if it&#8217;s an annual thing, I&#8217;d probably do once. $30, or even $50, with a $15 annual update, I&#8217;d be a lot more likely to buy and keep up-to-date.</p>
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		<title>By: Howie Isaacks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howie Isaacks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll just stick with my Garmin Nuvi.  It does the job no matter where I happen to be.  I just have to remember to take it with me when I get out of the car, or tuck it away out of sight in case someone decides to steal it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll just stick with my Garmin Nuvi.  It does the job no matter where I happen to be.  I just have to remember to take it with me when I get out of the car, or tuck it away out of sight in case someone decides to steal it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-turn-by-turn-directions-via-subscription-no-thanks/#comment-349916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The GPS on the iPhone does not seem to work unless there is a data connection.  I travel in a number of places internationally where AT&amp;T does not have a data roaming agreement with local service providers, so I get no data connection.  When I&#039;m in an area without data service, the GPS on the iPhone doesn&#039;t work.  And I&#039;m not talking about just Google Maps, even apps like GPS Kit can&#039;t return a latitude and longitude reading unless there is a data signal present.

So, in relation to your article, whether you get turn by turn from a subscription model or from downloaded maps, the iPhone can&#039;t (or won&#039;t) provide GPS capability without a data connection.  Perhaps there is a way around this in the API, but I&#039;ve tried several GPS apps in these countries and none of them work if data is not present.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GPS on the iPhone does not seem to work unless there is a data connection.  I travel in a number of places internationally where AT&amp;T does not have a data roaming agreement with local service providers, so I get no data connection.  When I&#8217;m in an area without data service, the GPS on the iPhone doesn&#8217;t work.  And I&#8217;m not talking about just Google Maps, even apps like GPS Kit can&#8217;t return a latitude and longitude reading unless there is a data signal present.</p>
<p>So, in relation to your article, whether you get turn by turn from a subscription model or from downloaded maps, the iPhone can&#8217;t (or won&#8217;t) provide GPS capability without a data connection.  Perhaps there is a way around this in the API, but I&#8217;ve tried several GPS apps in these countries and none of them work if data is not present.</p>
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		<title>By: What to read on the GigaOM network</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What to read on the GigaOM network]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a huge solar panel market? (Earth2Tech) An open letter to web app developers (WebWorkerDaily) Turn-by-turn directions for the iPhone, by subscription? No, thanks (TheAppleBlog) Open Source Sensing eyes how sensors affect privacy, more (OStatic) New RealPlayer [...]]]></description>
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