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	<title>Comments on: iPhone Left Out of the Flash Party: Big Deal</title>
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		<title>By: jansensan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-left-out-of-the-flash-party-big-deal/#comment-358804</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jansensan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow there are a lot of simple hatred towards flash here, and many for useless purposes.

- bad flash content makes the medium invalid
wow that a bold statement! let&#039;s then trash tv, any stupid pop band and also magazines while we are at it? don&#039;t blame the content on the medium. although marshall mcluhan would have a lot to say about that...

- when i browse to a site on my iphone and i cant see flash, it sucks
yea, it does. however, i totally agree that the flash plug-in has no place on the iphone browser, hell, on any mobile phone browser. those devices are not that strong and flash is in a browser. get it into you heads people, flash is within a browser, hence limited in capabilities. how about silver light? is it even on iphone? i dont have one so i dont know. how do fare java applets on iphone? and whatever answers you give here, the choice to have an iphone-directed content is the client&#039;s choice. iphone not the majority of our client&#039;s browser? scratch the alternative content.

- free flash games will suck on my iphone
then don&#039;t download them! dont encourage crap! flash is a great way to program games without having to learn an awkward language like objective-c, but crap is always crap. i&#039;ve seen a lot of shitty apps on iphone, does that make the iphone a bad gaming device? look at how much 
shovelware the nintendo ds and the psp carry? they are good still.

- flash is not a good programming language for anything, html5/css/my mom is better
wow, how insulting. how many people do that job? i do for one. yes i agree, it is often misused, and probably will stay misused. how many developpers in this thread? are you lucky enough to fight your clients on the choice of technology? yea? good for you, pat yourselves on the back. no, just like me? fight the good fight for a while, then do your job. i personally blame all senior devs who look down on flash for not teaching new users of flash how to program properly like they do to java and c devs. flash devs taught themselves programming and design on their own.

so, i will purchase an iphone. i will make games on it. i will publish them and they will not be crap.

i vouch for flash on the iphone as a stand alone app, jsut like it has been accepted. flash indeed should not be added as a browser plugin on the iphone]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow there are a lot of simple hatred towards flash here, and many for useless purposes.</p>
<p>- bad flash content makes the medium invalid<br />
wow that a bold statement! let&#8217;s then trash tv, any stupid pop band and also magazines while we are at it? don&#8217;t blame the content on the medium. although marshall mcluhan would have a lot to say about that&#8230;</p>
<p>- when i browse to a site on my iphone and i cant see flash, it sucks<br />
yea, it does. however, i totally agree that the flash plug-in has no place on the iphone browser, hell, on any mobile phone browser. those devices are not that strong and flash is in a browser. get it into you heads people, flash is within a browser, hence limited in capabilities. how about silver light? is it even on iphone? i dont have one so i dont know. how do fare java applets on iphone? and whatever answers you give here, the choice to have an iphone-directed content is the client&#8217;s choice. iphone not the majority of our client&#8217;s browser? scratch the alternative content.</p>
<p>- free flash games will suck on my iphone<br />
then don&#8217;t download them! dont encourage crap! flash is a great way to program games without having to learn an awkward language like objective-c, but crap is always crap. i&#8217;ve seen a lot of shitty apps on iphone, does that make the iphone a bad gaming device? look at how much<br />
shovelware the nintendo ds and the psp carry? they are good still.</p>
<p>- flash is not a good programming language for anything, html5/css/my mom is better<br />
wow, how insulting. how many people do that job? i do for one. yes i agree, it is often misused, and probably will stay misused. how many developpers in this thread? are you lucky enough to fight your clients on the choice of technology? yea? good for you, pat yourselves on the back. no, just like me? fight the good fight for a while, then do your job. i personally blame all senior devs who look down on flash for not teaching new users of flash how to program properly like they do to java and c devs. flash devs taught themselves programming and design on their own.</p>
<p>so, i will purchase an iphone. i will make games on it. i will publish them and they will not be crap.</p>
<p>i vouch for flash on the iphone as a stand alone app, jsut like it has been accepted. flash indeed should not be added as a browser plugin on the iphone</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-left-out-of-the-flash-party-big-deal/#comment-358803</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@jay
Care to explain what your implying here Jay?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jay<br />
Care to explain what your implying here Jay?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-left-out-of-the-flash-party-big-deal/#comment-358802</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imho:

this post = reality distortion field at it&#039;s best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imho:</p>
<p>this post = reality distortion field at it&#8217;s best.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-left-out-of-the-flash-party-big-deal/#comment-358801</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I frequently arrive at sites when using iPhone Safari that want to use flash and it exceedingly frustrating that I can&#039;t view the content.  

While I put up with this on the iPhone (under protest!) I sure as heck am not going to buy a larger format machine like the fabled Apple tablet if it is based on the iPhone OS and includes these sorts of limitations!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I frequently arrive at sites when using iPhone Safari that want to use flash and it exceedingly frustrating that I can&#8217;t view the content.  </p>
<p>While I put up with this on the iPhone (under protest!) I sure as heck am not going to buy a larger format machine like the fabled Apple tablet if it is based on the iPhone OS and includes these sorts of limitations!</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-left-out-of-the-flash-party-big-deal/#comment-358800</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not supporting a common technology is like:

1. shutting off a big part of the internet. 
2. making choices I&#039;d like to make myself
3. another version of net neutrality; http://brizzly.com/pic/7IJ

agree?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not supporting a common technology is like:</p>
<p>1. shutting off a big part of the internet.<br />
2. making choices I&#8217;d like to make myself<br />
3. another version of net neutrality; <a href="http://brizzly.com/pic/7IJ" rel="nofollow">http://brizzly.com/pic/7IJ</a></p>
<p>agree?</p>
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		<title>By: Bas</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-left-out-of-the-flash-party-big-deal/#comment-358799</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A stream of free flash games would most likely diminish app sales. Enough reason for Apple not to like it. 

However it is no reason for users not to like the functionality, if you don&#039;t want it, you can simply turn it off. It can simply be there for the people who want it, why would anyone be against that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A stream of free flash games would most likely diminish app sales. Enough reason for Apple not to like it. </p>
<p>However it is no reason for users not to like the functionality, if you don&#8217;t want it, you can simply turn it off. It can simply be there for the people who want it, why would anyone be against that?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-left-out-of-the-flash-party-big-deal/#comment-358798</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since you hate Flash so much make sure you blog YouTube and other video sites and not watch any videos on the internet (other than quicktime ones) ya? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you hate Flash so much make sure you blog YouTube and other video sites and not watch any videos on the internet (other than quicktime ones) ya? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjørn Vik Lunde</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-left-out-of-the-flash-party-big-deal/#comment-358797</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Torbjørn Vik Lunde]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my favorite things about my iPhone is the fact that it doesn&#039;t run Flash, and in turn: no mobile websites are stupid enough to make them using Flash.

I had a Windows Mobile HTC Flash device. It was even more slow, horrible and crashy than Flash is on Mac and PCs.

For the record: I would hate Flash even if it wasn&#039;t slow. The main problem is that it is an non-standard technology. HTML5, CSS3 and JS does what Flash does, but better and in an open manner.

Plugins for the web should be avoided at all costs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite things about my iPhone is the fact that it doesn&#8217;t run Flash, and in turn: no mobile websites are stupid enough to make them using Flash.</p>
<p>I had a Windows Mobile HTC Flash device. It was even more slow, horrible and crashy than Flash is on Mac and PCs.</p>
<p>For the record: I would hate Flash even if it wasn&#8217;t slow. The main problem is that it is an non-standard technology. HTML5, CSS3 and JS does what Flash does, but better and in an open manner.</p>
<p>Plugins for the web should be avoided at all costs.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbangbong</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/iphone-left-out-of-the-flash-party-big-deal/#comment-358796</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigbangbong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is a classic Mac apologist statement. &quot;Apple doesn&#039;t support it&quot; - hence it&#039;s bad!

Why we need Flash in iPhone? Cause there are many important, interactive (and USABLE) dashboards and Flash video sites (apart from YouTube).

BTW - all of my &#039;computing-devices&#039; are from Apple - iPhone, iMac, and Macbook Pro.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a classic Mac apologist statement. &#8220;Apple doesn&#8217;t support it&#8221; &#8211; hence it&#8217;s bad!</p>
<p>Why we need Flash in iPhone? Cause there are many important, interactive (and USABLE) dashboards and Flash video sites (apart from YouTube).</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; all of my &#8216;computing-devices&#8217; are from Apple &#8211; iPhone, iMac, and Macbook Pro.</p>
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		<title>By: Sadie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sadie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really disappointed that I can&#039;t get Flash support for my iPhone. There are a number of sites that I freqent (mostly entertainment sites, but also various street view sites) that I can&#039;t visit on my iPhone due to a lack of Flash. I think that the iPhone needs Flash to be truly perfect!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really disappointed that I can&#8217;t get Flash support for my iPhone. There are a number of sites that I freqent (mostly entertainment sites, but also various street view sites) that I can&#8217;t visit on my iPhone due to a lack of Flash. I think that the iPhone needs Flash to be truly perfect!</p>
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