Comments on: If Apple Won’t Build It, The Community Will http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/ Mon, 28 May 2012 12:08:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: ThunkDifferent.com http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325801 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:36:25 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/11/28/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325801 iThink i remember Steve saying in last years keynote (may 2006) that Java is going to be history as far as the OSX goes. iT is not suported in many cases.

]]> By: Mac New Briefs — Platform Agnostic http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325800 Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:39:37 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/11/28/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325800 [...] AppleInsider reports that an open source implementation of Java 6 for the Mac is in development (a preview release is already available) in response to Apple’s decision to ship Leopard with Java 5. This decision has not been well-received in the Java community as you might expect and some fear that adoption of the Mac in traditional early adopter markets (education and scientific research) as well as potential growth markets (the enterprise) may suffer. [...]

]]> By: James A Dempsey http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325799 Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:54:08 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/11/28/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325799 The real “fact” is that Java apps pretty much suck on the OSX platform, so there really is no need, want or desire for Apple to keep up with it.

If developers would/could make even a half-decent app for OSX using Java, I’m sure the community would get behind the Java movement more. As it is, most of the Java apps are luck just to launch – and I doubt that has anything to do with the OS.

]]> By: Stephen http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325798 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:10:33 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/11/28/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325798 This post is very overblown. I work in Enterprise and work with some Java apps. I think you need to consider two things.

1) There is a multitude of Java apps that do not work on 1.6 Java, like some we run. In fact Vista users need to downgrade to 1.5 to use them. We were very happy Apple did not cram the latest Java into Leopard.

2) Apple could very easily and quickly update OS X to include a Java update, like they have dome several times in the past.

Offending some Java developers is better than dealing with many Java apps crashing and burning for users. I think Apple will deliver the latest Java when it is percolated correctly for most apps.

]]> By: MandeBooks http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325797 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:56:23 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/11/28/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325797 There have been no announcements of Java support being slowed or abandoned in future versions of OS X. The fact that Java 6 wasn’t released at the exact same time as Leopard is consistent with past OS and Java releases.

]]> By: Angsuman Chakraborty http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325796 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:47:03 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/11/28/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325796 This is a great community effort. JDK 1.6 provides tremendous improvements over earlier versions in functionality and performance. Now Apple developers will finally be able to use it too.
Sun should also promote this effort.
BTW: Despite my respect for Steve’s ingenuity I think he is making a wrong decision is slowing or abandoning Java support in future versions of OS X.

]]> By: blognation USA » Blog Archive » Apple News Briefs for 11-28-07 http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325795 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:38:50 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/11/28/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325795 [...] AppleInsider reports that an open source implementation of Java 6 for the Mac is in development (a preview release is already available) in response to Apple’s decision to ship Leopard with Java 5. This decision has not been well-received in the Java community as you might expect and some fear that adoption of the Mac in traditional early adopter markets (education and scientific research) as well as potential growth markets (the enterprise) may suffer. [...]

]]> By: James Bailey http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325794 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:20:49 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/11/28/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325794

“but the fact remains that Java on OS X has lagged behind it’s Windows, Linux and Solaris counterparts. It may be prettier and better integrated with the desktop experience, but it has suffered — at times — from performance issues and lack of features that have fostered many heated threads in the Java community.”

The fact remains that Java on the Mac has lagged because Sun doesn’t support it on OS X like it does on Windows, Linux and Solaris. Apple doesn’t get the source until late in the game while the other major OS distributions are all updated at the same time.

Recently Apple has indicated that they are becoming less than enamored of this situation with Steve Jobs making some pretty strong indications that Apple doesn’t want to support Java any longer.

Java 7 is going to be completely open source under a gnu license. This solves the problem nicely. Any developers concerned about lagging OS X support can do it themselves.

]]> By: Bob Klemperer http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325793 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:43:47 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/11/28/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325793 Yawn. Java 6 will appear in it’s own good time for Leopard. There are more immediate concerns that need to be addressed currently.

]]> By: MandeBooks http://gigaom.com/apple/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325792 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:48:43 +0000 http://theappleblog.com/2007/11/28/if-apple-wont-build-it-the-community-will/#comment-325792 At the company I work at we use Java within our enterprise environment. However even on the Windows side the only fully supported version of java is 1.4.2. How is Java 6 supposed to make developers change what they are doing in the enterprise if most enterprise systems still barely support Java 5? New stuff is great, but you have to go with what all – not just windows or mac, customers can use.

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