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		<title>By: Apple Ups Ante in Climate Policy Debate, Quits Chamber of Commerce</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350650</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Apple Ups Ante in Climate Policy Debate, Quits Chamber of Commerce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (and public) move recently to become more transparent in its carbon accounting process (following persistent criticism from Greenpeace and other environmental groups). For the first time last month Apple unveiled its carbon footprint, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Greenest Apple Yet</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350649</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Greenest Apple Yet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Apple, that debate has often been with Greenpeace. The environmental organization&#8217;s periodic reports on the green efforts of technology companies have often graded Apple poorly. In the BusinessWeek [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Apple, that debate has often been with Greenpeace. The environmental organization&#8217;s periodic reports on the green efforts of technology companies have often graded Apple poorly. In the BusinessWeek [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom  Dowdall</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom  Dowdall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles,

To answer your &#039;real question&#039;:

&quot;Does this mean we will see protestors at the headquarters of HP?&quot;

The press release for the Greenpeace Guide to Greener Electronics led with failure of HP, Dell and Lenovo to stick to their commitment:

&quot;The latest edition of Greenpeace’s &quot;Guide to Greener Electronics&quot; ranking, released today, reveals that the world’s biggest PC makers – Hewlett Packard (HP), Dell and Lenovo - have failed to improve their low scores.&quot;

Followed by the pressure we are putting on HP:

HP has already received a public reminder of the need to re-prioritize toxic chemical phase out, when Greenpeace activists returned &quot;toxic laptops&quot; to the company’s Chinese headquarters last week. Today, staff at HP’s Dutch headquarters were greeted on arrival by Greenpeace activists confronting them with pictures of the pollution that HP’s toxic products cause in Asia and Africa. Greenpeace will continue to escalate pressure on HP and other companies who fail to live up to their voluntary commitments.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/press-center/releases2/greener-electronics-companie

The images of these HP protests are also prominent on our website:

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/hp-lenovo-and-dell-010709

On toxics phase out we are holding up Apple&#039;s positive action as an example to their competitors who are not making good progress, such as HP.


Tom Dowdall
Greenpeace International]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<p>To answer your &#8216;real question&#8217;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Does this mean we will see protestors at the headquarters of HP?&#8221;</p>
<p>The press release for the Greenpeace Guide to Greener Electronics led with failure of HP, Dell and Lenovo to stick to their commitment:</p>
<p>&#8220;The latest edition of Greenpeace’s &#8220;Guide to Greener Electronics&#8221; ranking, released today, reveals that the world’s biggest PC makers – Hewlett Packard (HP), Dell and Lenovo &#8211; have failed to improve their low scores.&#8221;</p>
<p>Followed by the pressure we are putting on HP:</p>
<p>HP has already received a public reminder of the need to re-prioritize toxic chemical phase out, when Greenpeace activists returned &#8220;toxic laptops&#8221; to the company’s Chinese headquarters last week. Today, staff at HP’s Dutch headquarters were greeted on arrival by Greenpeace activists confronting them with pictures of the pollution that HP’s toxic products cause in Asia and Africa. Greenpeace will continue to escalate pressure on HP and other companies who fail to live up to their voluntary commitments.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/press-center/releases2/greener-electronics-companie" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/press-center/releases2/greener-electronics-companie</a></p>
<p>The images of these HP protests are also prominent on our website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/hp-lenovo-and-dell-010709" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenpeace.org/international/news/hp-lenovo-and-dell-010709</a></p>
<p>On toxics phase out we are holding up Apple&#8217;s positive action as an example to their competitors who are not making good progress, such as HP.</p>
<p>Tom Dowdall<br />
Greenpeace International</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Smith</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350647</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What do you think this earth would be if there wasn’t any environmentalist pushing industrialists to go greener?&lt;/i&gt;

Why do you think it would be any different? Apparently those &quot;industrialists&quot; you decry don&#039;t live in the Earth they&#039;re supposedly destroying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What do you think this earth would be if there wasn’t any environmentalist pushing industrialists to go greener?</i></p>
<p>Why do you think it would be any different? Apparently those &#8220;industrialists&#8221; you decry don&#8217;t live in the Earth they&#8217;re supposedly destroying.</p>
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		<title>By: N. Haran</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350646</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N. Haran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You Apple people need to learn to take some criticism.  You don&#039;t have to attack the credibility of anyone that says something bad about Apple.  Are Apple products the best-of-class?  Yes, obviously.  Are they prefect? Hell no!

Get over it.  If Apple&#039;s products are made even more environmentally friendly because of this report, what&#039;s the problem?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Apple people need to learn to take some criticism.  You don&#8217;t have to attack the credibility of anyone that says something bad about Apple.  Are Apple products the best-of-class?  Yes, obviously.  Are they prefect? Hell no!</p>
<p>Get over it.  If Apple&#8217;s products are made even more environmentally friendly because of this report, what&#8217;s the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stefano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think it&#039;s all about image. The image Apple wants to create for itself is way greener of how it actually seems to be - according to Greenpeace, which i firmly trust - while HP and Dell aren&#039;t supposed to be *that much* eco-friendly, or at least it has never been part of their brand image.

this should also mean that the typical Apple user is more sensitive to ecological questions., maybe, or at least it is supposed to be, therefore all this attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it&#8217;s all about image. The image Apple wants to create for itself is way greener of how it actually seems to be &#8211; according to Greenpeace, which i firmly trust &#8211; while HP and Dell aren&#8217;t supposed to be *that much* eco-friendly, or at least it has never been part of their brand image.</p>
<p>this should also mean that the typical Apple user is more sensitive to ecological questions., maybe, or at least it is supposed to be, therefore all this attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Eideard</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350644</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eideard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been an ecology activist since the original Earth Day.  I&#039;ve never made a religion of my concerns or beliefs.  Most especially, I reject the sort of fundamentalist ideology that demands everyone stop whatever they&#039;re doing and run their lives and businesses according to the &quot;Word&quot;.  That&#039;s what politics is for - and that legitimately includes pressurizing corporate policies.  

But, the holier than thou crowd - frankly - makes me fart in their general direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been an ecology activist since the original Earth Day.  I&#8217;ve never made a religion of my concerns or beliefs.  Most especially, I reject the sort of fundamentalist ideology that demands everyone stop whatever they&#8217;re doing and run their lives and businesses according to the &#8220;Word&#8221;.  That&#8217;s what politics is for &#8211; and that legitimately includes pressurizing corporate policies.  </p>
<p>But, the holier than thou crowd &#8211; frankly &#8211; makes me fart in their general direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linkan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I tend to agree with the statements about Greenpeace above I have to wonder about Apple being &quot;secretive by nature&quot; and what this means with regards to things like this.

It&#039;s one thing to be secretive about your new products - but about how much renewable energy you use, GHG emissions? Not disclosing such information only makes people think you have something to hide IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I tend to agree with the statements about Greenpeace above I have to wonder about Apple being &#8220;secretive by nature&#8221; and what this means with regards to things like this.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to be secretive about your new products &#8211; but about how much renewable energy you use, GHG emissions? Not disclosing such information only makes people think you have something to hide IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Zapata</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zapata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anybody who has had the opportunity to work with Greenpeace activists and observe them up close knows that they&#039;re a sham group that does not deserve the accolades and respect the media is all too happy to give to them. Their motives are political and they go after companies that offer the chance for greater publicity and thus more donations rather than really doing their best to save the environment. Their stance is also explicitly anti-West and anti-industrial.

As for Paul, and his demand that this site stop &#039;posting crap&#039;, I suggest you take some of your own advice mate. The US is not the world&#039;s biggest polluter, China is (that includes GHGs), and moreover Apple is pretty much non-existent on the list of companies that produce the most pollutants. 

And it&#039;s flawed to believe we have environmentalists to thank for not &#039;swimming in our own S***&#039;. What&#039;s really happened is that as countries have grown wealthy (a process that requires a dirty and polluting industrial stage), their populations have not only become more discerning, more involved in politics and more likely to demand certain environmental conditions, but companies have been able to transition to more expensive but more hi-tech and efficient manufacturing processes that require less people and pollute less. Their economies also shift towards the greater production of consumer devices and towards a focus on services, both of which result in a reduction in industrial-level pollution. That&#039;s why the air quality in London is at its best level in 400 years, despite having been heavily polluted during the Industrial Revolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who has had the opportunity to work with Greenpeace activists and observe them up close knows that they&#8217;re a sham group that does not deserve the accolades and respect the media is all too happy to give to them. Their motives are political and they go after companies that offer the chance for greater publicity and thus more donations rather than really doing their best to save the environment. Their stance is also explicitly anti-West and anti-industrial.</p>
<p>As for Paul, and his demand that this site stop &#8216;posting crap&#8217;, I suggest you take some of your own advice mate. The US is not the world&#8217;s biggest polluter, China is (that includes GHGs), and moreover Apple is pretty much non-existent on the list of companies that produce the most pollutants. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s flawed to believe we have environmentalists to thank for not &#8216;swimming in our own S***&#8217;. What&#8217;s really happened is that as countries have grown wealthy (a process that requires a dirty and polluting industrial stage), their populations have not only become more discerning, more involved in politics and more likely to demand certain environmental conditions, but companies have been able to transition to more expensive but more hi-tech and efficient manufacturing processes that require less people and pollute less. Their economies also shift towards the greater production of consumer devices and towards a focus on services, both of which result in a reduction in industrial-level pollution. That&#8217;s why the air quality in London is at its best level in 400 years, despite having been heavily polluted during the Industrial Revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjørn Vik Lunde</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350641</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Torbjørn Vik Lunde]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The real question here is why Greenpeace focuses so much on Apple.”

Because Apple is a leader, not in market-share but in innovation and ideas. If Apple does something you can count on someone else copying it in some form. (Even if it’s a bad idea.)

I also think it’s good that they try to get information more in the open. How can we really know that companies are environmentally friendly if they if we don’t show numbers prooving it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The real question here is why Greenpeace focuses so much on Apple.”</p>
<p>Because Apple is a leader, not in market-share but in innovation and ideas. If Apple does something you can count on someone else copying it in some form. (Even if it’s a bad idea.)</p>
<p>I also think it’s good that they try to get information more in the open. How can we really know that companies are environmentally friendly if they if we don’t show numbers prooving it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just can&#039;t believe what I am reading here. But somehow I understand... probably most of the posts here come from the US, it seems that the environment isn&#039;t really a  concern, or at least not out of it boarders. Seems no one gets the point in here!! Although Greenpeace can easily be criticized for some of its past and extreme actions and stances, I just want to ask you all something: What do you think this earth would be if there wasn&#039;t any environmentalist pushing industrialists to go greener? We would probably swim in our own S***! It&#039;s all a matter of battle, and honestly I would rather have Greenpeace whining about the environment than having lead in my water or nasty chemicals in my hands while using my computer!!... By the way, I&#039;m using a Mac so I have to problem criticizing the brands that I like too.

And one more thing... a small correction to the last post: the biggest polluters are usually known to be the the biggest brands, that&#039;s no secret!! And you know what... the Biggest brands are from the US, which by the way are the biggest polluters on the planet.

I leave you with these thoughts and I recommend you to see  a bit further than your noses before posting crap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just can&#8217;t believe what I am reading here. But somehow I understand&#8230; probably most of the posts here come from the US, it seems that the environment isn&#8217;t really a  concern, or at least not out of it boarders. Seems no one gets the point in here!! Although Greenpeace can easily be criticized for some of its past and extreme actions and stances, I just want to ask you all something: What do you think this earth would be if there wasn&#8217;t any environmentalist pushing industrialists to go greener? We would probably swim in our own S***! It&#8217;s all a matter of battle, and honestly I would rather have Greenpeace whining about the environment than having lead in my water or nasty chemicals in my hands while using my computer!!&#8230; By the way, I&#8217;m using a Mac so I have to problem criticizing the brands that I like too.</p>
<p>And one more thing&#8230; a small correction to the last post: the biggest polluters are usually known to be the the biggest brands, that&#8217;s no secret!! And you know what&#8230; the Biggest brands are from the US, which by the way are the biggest polluters on the planet.</p>
<p>I leave you with these thoughts and I recommend you to see  a bit further than your noses before posting crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Howie Isaacks</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350639</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howie Isaacks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes!  Thank you!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!  Thank you!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Jade</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350638</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Jade]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Encouraging technology companies to go green is a positive, but there are real negatives associated with certain tactics, like issuing demands. There is also the issue of allocating resources on the part of Greenpeace. Again, why not spend time, money, and effort going after the biggest polluters, rather than the biggest brand?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Encouraging technology companies to go green is a positive, but there are real negatives associated with certain tactics, like issuing demands. There is also the issue of allocating resources on the part of Greenpeace. Again, why not spend time, money, and effort going after the biggest polluters, rather than the biggest brand?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Jade</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Jade]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Encouraging technology companies to go green is a positive, but their are real negatives associated with certain tactics, like issuing demands. There is also the issue of allocating resources on the part of Greenpeace. Again, why spend time, money, and effort going after the biggest polluters, rather than the biggest brand?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Encouraging technology companies to go green is a positive, but their are real negatives associated with certain tactics, like issuing demands. There is also the issue of allocating resources on the part of Greenpeace. Again, why spend time, money, and effort going after the biggest polluters, rather than the biggest brand?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/greenpeace-demands-apple-come-clean/#comment-350636</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who cares?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell Etherington</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darrell Etherington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure I believe these Greenpeace reports are necessarily credible, and they probably do have more to do with attention grabbing than with cold hard fact, but at the very least, they generate press about environmental responsibility for tech corporations that might not otherwise be held accountable in that arena. Anything that pushes any of these guys to build greener products is probably a good thing in the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I believe these Greenpeace reports are necessarily credible, and they probably do have more to do with attention grabbing than with cold hard fact, but at the very least, they generate press about environmental responsibility for tech corporations that might not otherwise be held accountable in that arena. Anything that pushes any of these guys to build greener products is probably a good thing in the end.</p>
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