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	<title>Comments on: Dvorak Calls for Apple to Ditch iPhone</title>
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		<title>By: Howard Lewis Ship</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard Lewis Ship]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dvorak is dead wrong; Apple has managed to get 5% of the market (I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s even the right number) against &lt;i&gt;overwhelming&lt;/i&gt; network effect of Windows.  It&#039;s an incredible uphill battle.

Lately, its not just the &quot;creative&quot; types who have a Mac; increasingly techies of all sorts (but definately the Ruby and Java developers I know) have almost universally switched to Mac.  The Intel Macs really made a difference.


Meanwhile, Dvorak doesn&#039;t understand the network effect that has limited Apple&#039;s penetration into the PC market ... or the &lt;i&gt;inverse market effect&lt;/i&gt; of the phone market.  An iPhone doesn&#039;t have to choose between being &lt;i&gt;cool&lt;/i&gt; and fully inter-operational with other phones. The standards that make up the phone market are far more contricting, but in this situation, that becomes a &lt;em&gt;level&lt;/em&gt; playing field.

Personally, I think the iPhone is fun but not worth the money to me (I can be cool without needing a supporting gadget). However, for business people who gets lots of voice mail, it is worth it just for the visual voice mail organizer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dvorak is dead wrong; Apple has managed to get 5% of the market (I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s even the right number) against <i>overwhelming</i> network effect of Windows.  It&#8217;s an incredible uphill battle.</p>
<p>Lately, its not just the &#8220;creative&#8221; types who have a Mac; increasingly techies of all sorts (but definately the Ruby and Java developers I know) have almost universally switched to Mac.  The Intel Macs really made a difference.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Dvorak doesn&#8217;t understand the network effect that has limited Apple&#8217;s penetration into the PC market &#8230; or the <i>inverse market effect</i> of the phone market.  An iPhone doesn&#8217;t have to choose between being <i>cool</i> and fully inter-operational with other phones. The standards that make up the phone market are far more contricting, but in this situation, that becomes a <em>level</em> playing field.</p>
<p>Personally, I think the iPhone is fun but not worth the money to me (I can be cool without needing a supporting gadget). However, for business people who gets lots of voice mail, it is worth it just for the visual voice mail organizer.</p>
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		<title>By: msbob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[msbob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GREAT LIST OF TOOLS

Dvorak has changed his stance on the iPhone. He also uses an iMac at one of his jobs.

Mac Zealots should get over the fact that Dvorak was once a Mac hater. He has changed his opinion about Apple and Macs. He hates on windows and PCs constantly these days.

I used to get offended by Dvorak in the real Apple dark days (90s). Now he is just cranky, outlandish, funny, with reasonable insights now and then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT LIST OF TOOLS</p>
<p>Dvorak has changed his stance on the iPhone. He also uses an iMac at one of his jobs.</p>
<p>Mac Zealots should get over the fact that Dvorak was once a Mac hater. He has changed his opinion about Apple and Macs. He hates on windows and PCs constantly these days.</p>
<p>I used to get offended by Dvorak in the real Apple dark days (90s). Now he is just cranky, outlandish, funny, with reasonable insights now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoddle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yoddle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anna,  That is priceless.  I am still laughing...

I switched from a PC to a MAC 2.5 years ago and work on PC&#039;s all day. Apple is just better.

I had a Blackberry and now have an iPhone, not even close.  Next time someone with a blackberry is talking down the iPhone ask them if they have fun with their Blackberry and then just watch their face..( that is something they never considered, utility and fun)

As the apps flow for the iPhone, the interest in the blackberry will fade, along with many other PDA and phones.

As for whats his name, I have never taken him seriously and whatever he is paid, it&#039;s waaaaay to much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna,  That is priceless.  I am still laughing&#8230;</p>
<p>I switched from a PC to a MAC 2.5 years ago and work on PC&#8217;s all day. Apple is just better.</p>
<p>I had a Blackberry and now have an iPhone, not even close.  Next time someone with a blackberry is talking down the iPhone ask them if they have fun with their Blackberry and then just watch their face..( that is something they never considered, utility and fun)</p>
<p>As the apps flow for the iPhone, the interest in the blackberry will fade, along with many other PDA and phones.</p>
<p>As for whats his name, I have never taken him seriously and whatever he is paid, it&#8217;s waaaaay to much.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once Upon The Time, An Idiot Wrote:

&quot;The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a &#039;mouse.&#039;
There is no evidence that people want to use these things.&quot;
-- John C. Dvorak, SF Examiner, Feb. 1984.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once Upon The Time, An Idiot Wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a &#8216;mouse.&#8217;<br />
There is no evidence that people want to use these things.&#8221;<br />
&#8211; John C. Dvorak, SF Examiner, Feb. 1984.</p>
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		<title>By: shanee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shanee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course Dvorak is absolutely correct.
Why should a company with thirty years of computing experience in both hardware and software take on phones. Its totally obvious to me that the software content on a phone is completely different to the the software that you would want on a PC. And of course there is no experience to be gained from the ipod, ROKR and Newton in the development of this phone.
On top of that, you have to remember that people are not going to want to exchange thier cool blackberries etc. for the clunky and ugly looking iphone interface.
Come to think of it, Apple should just realise that they have been well beaten by microsoft and turf out their programmers, designers etc and close thier doors.

I dont think that I can be any more sarchastic than that. There are always going to be people that predict doom and downfall, and any company that ventures into a new area will receive hostility. If you watch Steve Jobs Keynote when Microsoft bought into Apple, many thought that it would be the end. When apple released the ipod, many were not too impressed with it. When apple released the translucent imac series, they were litterally laughed at (initially).

The simple truth is that some people really dont have the capacity to think differently and see something for what it can be. John Dvorak fits nicely into this classification.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Dvorak is absolutely correct.<br />
Why should a company with thirty years of computing experience in both hardware and software take on phones. Its totally obvious to me that the software content on a phone is completely different to the the software that you would want on a PC. And of course there is no experience to be gained from the ipod, ROKR and Newton in the development of this phone.<br />
On top of that, you have to remember that people are not going to want to exchange thier cool blackberries etc. for the clunky and ugly looking iphone interface.<br />
Come to think of it, Apple should just realise that they have been well beaten by microsoft and turf out their programmers, designers etc and close thier doors.</p>
<p>I dont think that I can be any more sarchastic than that. There are always going to be people that predict doom and downfall, and any company that ventures into a new area will receive hostility. If you watch Steve Jobs Keynote when Microsoft bought into Apple, many thought that it would be the end. When apple released the ipod, many were not too impressed with it. When apple released the translucent imac series, they were litterally laughed at (initially).</p>
<p>The simple truth is that some people really dont have the capacity to think differently and see something for what it can be. John Dvorak fits nicely into this classification.</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[milo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone should just IGNORE dvorak and all of his web sites and ramblings. He is purely making these comments to garner hits on his web site. What would HURT him most is to simply ignore him as if he does not exist. Let him lose his sponsors and show that he cannot take us, the public, for a ride. Why give him a FRICKIN free ride. He is a ludite and lets spread the word around. EVERYONE STOP VISITING DVORAK&#039;S WEBSITE AND IGNORE HIM AS IF HE DOES NOT EXIST.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone should just IGNORE dvorak and all of his web sites and ramblings. He is purely making these comments to garner hits on his web site. What would HURT him most is to simply ignore him as if he does not exist. Let him lose his sponsors and show that he cannot take us, the public, for a ride. Why give him a FRICKIN free ride. He is a ludite and lets spread the word around. EVERYONE STOP VISITING DVORAK&#8217;S WEBSITE AND IGNORE HIM AS IF HE DOES NOT EXIST.</p>
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		<title>By: vanni</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vanni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dvorak: PLUZZZEEE leave the dork out of any serious discussions to do with the Mac or anything Apple. Anyone who gives Dovark a link is not thinking right. He is a proven troll and he has become a joke. He cannot add anything even remotely intelligent to any discussions on computers or technology ...period....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dvorak: PLUZZZEEE leave the dork out of any serious discussions to do with the Mac or anything Apple. Anyone who gives Dovark a link is not thinking right. He is a proven troll and he has become a joke. He cannot add anything even remotely intelligent to any discussions on computers or technology &#8230;period&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: azzamallow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[azzamallow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one in this world can release a product that EVERYONE will agree with. It is just an opinion from a well known person (at least in IT). It was bound to happen that someone important woudl say such a thing. At least this way if the iPhone does fail he gets to say I told you so, but if it succeeds everyone will forget such comments were made.

What&#039;s he got to lose by pissing Apple fanatics off? Nothing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one in this world can release a product that EVERYONE will agree with. It is just an opinion from a well known person (at least in IT). It was bound to happen that someone important woudl say such a thing. At least this way if the iPhone does fail he gets to say I told you so, but if it succeeds everyone will forget such comments were made.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s he got to lose by pissing Apple fanatics off? Nothing!</p>
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		<title>By: Tungsten</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tungsten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dvorak&#039;s critics here miss the point.  Read Dvorak&#039;s explanation of how and why the iPhone will fail and you will understand why Apple will likely succeed.  Dvorak concisely summarizes a viewpoint common among most pundits and many industry figures who only see a commodity product in a mature market.  Apple sees a hugely profitable slice of that market it can serve at a higher price point, maintaining the fat margins it prefers and leaving the cutthroat market share ego battles to the commoditizers.

Dvorak: &quot;There is no likelihood that Apple can be successful in a business this competitive. Even in the business where it is a clear pioneer, the personal computer, it had to compete with Microsoft and can only sustain a 5% market share.
And its survival in the computer business relies on good margins. Those margins cannot exist in the mobile handset business for more than 15 minutes. &quot;

Dvorak sees Apple still languishing with a paltry market share  in the PC world.  I think Apple used a limited investment in shaped and colored plastics to create the iMac, a repackaged PC they could sell at a premium well outside the typical PC margins.  Apple apparently prefers 5% of the PC market with fat margins to 25% at commodity margins.  Dell and Intel -- giants within the commoditized end of the market -- find their competitive advantage duplicated by competitors and now struggle to find another angle to propel earnings.

This is the model for the iPhone.  Beautiful packaging and an elegant combination of phone/photo/web/sms technologies which allows Apple to sell devices in the $400-$600 range aren&#039;t meant to compete with market share giants Motorola or Nokia.  They&#039;re meant to carve out that most profitable, least price conscious 3-5% of the overall market which carries the fatest margins and allows Apple to do what it&#039;s done so well for the past decade, from iMac, to iPod, to iTunes, while most of the rest of the market scratches their heads stuck seeing the world through Dvorak&#039;s vision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dvorak&#8217;s critics here miss the point.  Read Dvorak&#8217;s explanation of how and why the iPhone will fail and you will understand why Apple will likely succeed.  Dvorak concisely summarizes a viewpoint common among most pundits and many industry figures who only see a commodity product in a mature market.  Apple sees a hugely profitable slice of that market it can serve at a higher price point, maintaining the fat margins it prefers and leaving the cutthroat market share ego battles to the commoditizers.</p>
<p>Dvorak: &#8220;There is no likelihood that Apple can be successful in a business this competitive. Even in the business where it is a clear pioneer, the personal computer, it had to compete with Microsoft and can only sustain a 5% market share.<br />
And its survival in the computer business relies on good margins. Those margins cannot exist in the mobile handset business for more than 15 minutes. &#8221;</p>
<p>Dvorak sees Apple still languishing with a paltry market share  in the PC world.  I think Apple used a limited investment in shaped and colored plastics to create the iMac, a repackaged PC they could sell at a premium well outside the typical PC margins.  Apple apparently prefers 5% of the PC market with fat margins to 25% at commodity margins.  Dell and Intel &#8212; giants within the commoditized end of the market &#8212; find their competitive advantage duplicated by competitors and now struggle to find another angle to propel earnings.</p>
<p>This is the model for the iPhone.  Beautiful packaging and an elegant combination of phone/photo/web/sms technologies which allows Apple to sell devices in the $400-$600 range aren&#8217;t meant to compete with market share giants Motorola or Nokia.  They&#8217;re meant to carve out that most profitable, least price conscious 3-5% of the overall market which carries the fatest margins and allows Apple to do what it&#8217;s done so well for the past decade, from iMac, to iPod, to iTunes, while most of the rest of the market scratches their heads stuck seeing the world through Dvorak&#8217;s vision.</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dvorak in tech world is like Ahmadinejad in politics world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dvorak in tech world is like Ahmadinejad in politics world.</p>
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