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		<title>By: Allister</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/does-intuitive-easy-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-354649</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s not going to happen because (as a result of exactly this type of problem) she thinks computers are complex and does not want to have to relearn all this complexity at her time of life. Of course, had she learnt the simple task of dealing with the (Windows) file system some years ago, switching to a Mac would be easy.

It is interesting that you assume I have been supporting PCs for 20 years. I haven&#039;t. Nor Macs, nor Linux. It is a universal problem but indeed most prevalent on Windows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not going to happen because (as a result of exactly this type of problem) she thinks computers are complex and does not want to have to relearn all this complexity at her time of life. Of course, had she learnt the simple task of dealing with the (Windows) file system some years ago, switching to a Mac would be easy.</p>
<p>It is interesting that you assume I have been supporting PCs for 20 years. I haven&#8217;t. Nor Macs, nor Linux. It is a universal problem but indeed most prevalent on Windows.</p>
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		<title>By: Sveneson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sveneson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well do your mum a favor and buy her a Mac. Like the camera manufacturer, the OS is simple to use too. Your PC support job has given you employment. Don&#039;t knock it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well do your mum a favor and buy her a Mac. Like the camera manufacturer, the OS is simple to use too. Your PC support job has given you employment. Don&#8217;t knock it.</p>
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		<title>By: Allister</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/does-intuitive-easy-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-354647</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It isn&#039;t an analogy. It&#039;s a use case. There are many, many tasks they perform on the computer which require the use of the file system. Therefore an understanding of the file system is a basic requirement of using the computer.

The camera manufacturer is &quot;making it simple&quot; for them to take photos from the camera, but as with all such systems it only works as far as the developers thought it out. She wanted to put the photos on a USB stick afterwards - but she had no idea where the photos were and the software gave no obvious option to do this.

Then consider that if they buy a new camera of a different brand they will have to relearn everything it does. This is NOT simplification. It&#039;s obfuscation of simple tasks.

I&#039;ve worked in IT for over 20 years and I know what &#039;helpful&#039; software does to users. It dumbs them down. Liam is absolutely right in that. And because most users are actually smart, if you arm them with some basic knowledge they can often help themselves and save everybody some time. I know this because I have done it. My bonus for a couple of years hinged on exactly this - reduce the amount of time we spent supporting users. Guess what - it worked!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t an analogy. It&#8217;s a use case. There are many, many tasks they perform on the computer which require the use of the file system. Therefore an understanding of the file system is a basic requirement of using the computer.</p>
<p>The camera manufacturer is &#8220;making it simple&#8221; for them to take photos from the camera, but as with all such systems it only works as far as the developers thought it out. She wanted to put the photos on a USB stick afterwards &#8211; but she had no idea where the photos were and the software gave no obvious option to do this.</p>
<p>Then consider that if they buy a new camera of a different brand they will have to relearn everything it does. This is NOT simplification. It&#8217;s obfuscation of simple tasks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked in IT for over 20 years and I know what &#8216;helpful&#8217; software does to users. It dumbs them down. Liam is absolutely right in that. And because most users are actually smart, if you arm them with some basic knowledge they can often help themselves and save everybody some time. I know this because I have done it. My bonus for a couple of years hinged on exactly this &#8211; reduce the amount of time we spent supporting users. Guess what &#8211; it worked!</p>
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		<title>By: Sveneson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/does-intuitive-easy-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-354646</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sveneson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats a poor analogy. What would your parents of done 10 years ago if they wanted to develop their own photos and color correct them with out dark room and chemicals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats a poor analogy. What would your parents of done 10 years ago if they wanted to develop their own photos and color correct them with out dark room and chemicals.</p>
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		<title>By: Allister</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/does-intuitive-easy-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-354645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erik, I hope you do not believe we should continue down the path we are already on, because much of the &#039;simplification&#039; that has been delivered to date is actually counter-productive.

Consider my parents&#039; constant battle to get photos off their digital camera in order to store them. Should the camera manufacturer&#039;s software be improved and simplified? Or should I teach them how to use a file system? I believe this scenario goes directly to the point the author is making. there is a level of knowledge lacking that should be considered basic.

By your argument, car makers have a duty to stop us crashing cars by making them drive themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik, I hope you do not believe we should continue down the path we are already on, because much of the &#8216;simplification&#8217; that has been delivered to date is actually counter-productive.</p>
<p>Consider my parents&#8217; constant battle to get photos off their digital camera in order to store them. Should the camera manufacturer&#8217;s software be improved and simplified? Or should I teach them how to use a file system? I believe this scenario goes directly to the point the author is making. there is a level of knowledge lacking that should be considered basic.</p>
<p>By your argument, car makers have a duty to stop us crashing cars by making them drive themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Kambestad Veland</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erik Kambestad Veland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 04:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Horrible article with a juvenile view of the world. When I read this article I thought surely it must have been written by a teenager with a hubris complex.

No, the world does not need to be computer literate. I am, and I once shared your view - shaking my head at the unwashed masses, rolling my eyes at their naiveté.

But really, as technological literate people it is our duty to progress technology to a level of transparency so that such literacy should not be needed. Things do not NEED to be complex, and in fact they shouldn&#039;t. I suggest you study some UX and HCI and take a long hard look at what Apple is championing here before you continue your arrogance to a point where you are the one being laughed at.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horrible article with a juvenile view of the world. When I read this article I thought surely it must have been written by a teenager with a hubris complex.</p>
<p>No, the world does not need to be computer literate. I am, and I once shared your view &#8211; shaking my head at the unwashed masses, rolling my eyes at their naiveté.</p>
<p>But really, as technological literate people it is our duty to progress technology to a level of transparency so that such literacy should not be needed. Things do not NEED to be complex, and in fact they shouldn&#8217;t. I suggest you study some UX and HCI and take a long hard look at what Apple is championing here before you continue your arrogance to a point where you are the one being laughed at.</p>
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		<title>By: Catmanrog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/does-intuitive-easy-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-354643</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Catmanrog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Compliments to Liam and all my fellow writers for this fine blog.  Each of you have confirmed my love of Snow Leopard and my MBP that make my life truly enjoyable.   So glad I don&#039;t do Windows....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compliments to Liam and all my fellow writers for this fine blog.  Each of you have confirmed my love of Snow Leopard and my MBP that make my life truly enjoyable.   So glad I don&#8217;t do Windows&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Allister</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/does-intuitive-easy-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-354642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Victor and others: If your computer WERE that simple to use it would not be anywhere near as useful. Perhaps the &#039;under class&#039; of computer users should be buying smart TVs and not computers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Victor and others: If your computer WERE that simple to use it would not be anywhere near as useful. Perhaps the &#8216;under class&#8217; of computer users should be buying smart TVs and not computers.</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An excellent article that prompts a number of thoughts. 

1. There is no doubt that an excellent and intuitive human-machine interface does support democratisation and so drives market growth. This trend is outlined in this article, bit we can also point towards the Tom Tom in-car navigator that has opened a mass market for GPS.

2. Getting the HMI right means lower support costs for the manufacturer, for a third-party service provider (eg the IT department) and the user. 

3. Getting the HMI right also means that end users spend more time benefiting from using the technology and less becoming frustrated trying to work out how to use it.

4. RTFM is a cost in buying the manual (paper is still generally easier to read) and reading it.

5. All this means that a great HMI is good for business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent article that prompts a number of thoughts. </p>
<p>1. There is no doubt that an excellent and intuitive human-machine interface does support democratisation and so drives market growth. This trend is outlined in this article, bit we can also point towards the Tom Tom in-car navigator that has opened a mass market for GPS.</p>
<p>2. Getting the HMI right means lower support costs for the manufacturer, for a third-party service provider (eg the IT department) and the user. </p>
<p>3. Getting the HMI right also means that end users spend more time benefiting from using the technology and less becoming frustrated trying to work out how to use it.</p>
<p>4. RTFM is a cost in buying the manual (paper is still generally easier to read) and reading it.</p>
<p>5. All this means that a great HMI is good for business.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, Apple view of iPhone apps seems to be that apps are smart, but their end-users are STUPID.  By rejecting/indefinitely reviewing apps that have similar icon&#039;s and/or functionality as Apple&#039;s apps, even when in the context of the application itself, it makes complete sense and isn&#039;t confusing to the end-user at all, they might look away, then forget where they are, and then get confused at seeing say, a numberpad, and assume they are calling &#039;normally&#039; instead of through GoogleVoice.

I&#039;m all for Apple making sure apps don&#039;t trivially crash, and visually fit in with iPhone UI guidelines, but their &#039;duplicate functionality&#039; testing is basically slapping all their end-users in the face with a &quot;YOU ARE STUPID&quot; paddle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, Apple view of iPhone apps seems to be that apps are smart, but their end-users are STUPID.  By rejecting/indefinitely reviewing apps that have similar icon&#8217;s and/or functionality as Apple&#8217;s apps, even when in the context of the application itself, it makes complete sense and isn&#8217;t confusing to the end-user at all, they might look away, then forget where they are, and then get confused at seeing say, a numberpad, and assume they are calling &#8216;normally&#8217; instead of through GoogleVoice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for Apple making sure apps don&#8217;t trivially crash, and visually fit in with iPhone UI guidelines, but their &#8216;duplicate functionality&#8217; testing is basically slapping all their end-users in the face with a &#8220;YOU ARE STUPID&#8221; paddle.</p>
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		<title>By: Sveneson</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/does-intuitive-easy-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-354639</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sveneson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahh computer nerds... I run a small design business with a few macs here. Core business model is making money from creative design. I don&#039;t want to know what&#039;s under the hood. The macs work fine. My mother-in-law has a business around the corner from me where she depends on a few PCs to run her online business and accounts etc. The young pimply faced local geek is around there at least once a week fixing something. I think there is a need for complicated conflicted operating systems and a plethora of component companies making bits that don&#039;t fit or work with other companies bits. It keeps you geeks employed. The amount of times when I ask did you get my email or skype message only to get the reply &quot;it&#039;s a PC thing, you wouldn&#039;t understand&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh computer nerds&#8230; I run a small design business with a few macs here. Core business model is making money from creative design. I don&#8217;t want to know what&#8217;s under the hood. The macs work fine. My mother-in-law has a business around the corner from me where she depends on a few PCs to run her online business and accounts etc. The young pimply faced local geek is around there at least once a week fixing something. I think there is a need for complicated conflicted operating systems and a plethora of component companies making bits that don&#8217;t fit or work with other companies bits. It keeps you geeks employed. The amount of times when I ask did you get my email or skype message only to get the reply &#8220;it&#8217;s a PC thing, you wouldn&#8217;t understand&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Lewis</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/does-intuitive-easy-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-354638</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robb Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liam, I get the main point you are trying to make but I have to agree with some of these other comments here that calling people that don&#039;t know the difference between OS&#039;s or apps idiots is simply wrong. The chair analogy from dtj was a perfect example (thanks dtj :-)

Yes, we&#039;ve made tech products easier to use for the masses. Wasn&#039;t that the goal? I don&#039;t think the goal was to create a bunch if IT tech geeks. If it were then we&#039;d still be using bash shells and no UI&#039;s. 

I&#039;m glad we can make products that everyone can easily enjoy and not require some degree, class or manual to use. If they happen to want to know a bit about the technology then that&#039;s great and I&#039;m glad they are interested...but It&#039;s not a requirement. @robblewis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liam, I get the main point you are trying to make but I have to agree with some of these other comments here that calling people that don&#8217;t know the difference between OS&#8217;s or apps idiots is simply wrong. The chair analogy from dtj was a perfect example (thanks dtj :-)</p>
<p>Yes, we&#8217;ve made tech products easier to use for the masses. Wasn&#8217;t that the goal? I don&#8217;t think the goal was to create a bunch if IT tech geeks. If it were then we&#8217;d still be using bash shells and no UI&#8217;s. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad we can make products that everyone can easily enjoy and not require some degree, class or manual to use. If they happen to want to know a bit about the technology then that&#8217;s great and I&#8217;m glad they are interested&#8230;but It&#8217;s not a requirement. @robblewis</p>
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		<title>By: dtj</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[esiege - While appreciate the pages-knight analogy, I have seen wayyy too many people fiddle themselves into oblivion. The most concise statement about it is &quot;just because you are jumping and splashing doesn&#039;t mean you are swimming&quot;. I tend to hang around a lot of linux geeks and almost universally the high-end ones move away from fiddling and move towards using it as a tool, rather than adjusting everything just so, or building kernels to eek another 5% performance improvement for their email and websurfing needs. It&#039;s really kind of an escape velocity thing, where the great ones make it out and the others are doomed to follow the fedora/windows/whatever release schedule intently.

I deal alot with geeks that are literally world-class in their computer skills. Something that I have noticed is that they almost all use macs and OSX. Because they can, doesn&#039;t mean that they should fiddle. Every minute I spend working out drivers or installing anti-virus software is time I don&#039;t spend changing the world. When people ask my opinion on getting a new machine, I say mac because SJW (Shit Just Works). When family comes calling with windoze questions, my answer is &quot;shoulda bought a mac&quot;, followed by &quot;sorry, I don&#039;t do windows&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>esiege &#8211; While appreciate the pages-knight analogy, I have seen wayyy too many people fiddle themselves into oblivion. The most concise statement about it is &#8220;just because you are jumping and splashing doesn&#8217;t mean you are swimming&#8221;. I tend to hang around a lot of linux geeks and almost universally the high-end ones move away from fiddling and move towards using it as a tool, rather than adjusting everything just so, or building kernels to eek another 5% performance improvement for their email and websurfing needs. It&#8217;s really kind of an escape velocity thing, where the great ones make it out and the others are doomed to follow the fedora/windows/whatever release schedule intently.</p>
<p>I deal alot with geeks that are literally world-class in their computer skills. Something that I have noticed is that they almost all use macs and OSX. Because they can, doesn&#8217;t mean that they should fiddle. Every minute I spend working out drivers or installing anti-virus software is time I don&#8217;t spend changing the world. When people ask my opinion on getting a new machine, I say mac because SJW (Shit Just Works). When family comes calling with windoze questions, my answer is &#8220;shoulda bought a mac&#8221;, followed by &#8220;sorry, I don&#8217;t do windows&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rolf Raess</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rolf Raess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When we started to get a cardriver license in the 50ies, people had to know about the engine (nbrs. of cylinders; fireing order and so… lol - that&#039;s true)
It seems to me, that the computer instructions (beside the mac&#039;s, which needs almost no explanation for newcomers) ist still in the 50ies!
I appreciate your article - thx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we started to get a cardriver license in the 50ies, people had to know about the engine (nbrs. of cylinders; fireing order and so… lol &#8211; that&#8217;s true)<br />
It seems to me, that the computer instructions (beside the mac&#8217;s, which needs almost no explanation for newcomers) ist still in the 50ies!<br />
I appreciate your article &#8211; thx</p>
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		<title>By: esiege</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[esiege]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ps:  &quot;Wizardry&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ps:  &#8220;Wizardry&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: esiege</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[esiege]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the chair analogy, but it lacks a simple premise:  Although I know little of the historical or artistic values of a chair, I know exactly how to utilize it&#039;s functions to their maximum value... I can adjust my hand railings, and pop it up and down without any difficulty.  Along those lines, even those with moderate or well established web developing skills may never know who developed the applications they use, or even acknowledge the browser wars, yet they still are utilizing a tool with proficiency.  

In medieval times, great success could be obtained from wielding a sword, pages would study their knight bretheren in chance of picking up skills that would aid them into leading a better life.  In the current world of economic and tradeskill diversity, without a doubt the computer is the most universal means for organization, development, and, with the internet, a gateway for sales in quickly growing segment of the marketing world.  No, a person that lacks computer knowledge is not an idiot by any means, but they are without a doubt, misguided in their priorities if they wish to achieve success in modern times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the chair analogy, but it lacks a simple premise:  Although I know little of the historical or artistic values of a chair, I know exactly how to utilize it&#8217;s functions to their maximum value&#8230; I can adjust my hand railings, and pop it up and down without any difficulty.  Along those lines, even those with moderate or well established web developing skills may never know who developed the applications they use, or even acknowledge the browser wars, yet they still are utilizing a tool with proficiency.  </p>
<p>In medieval times, great success could be obtained from wielding a sword, pages would study their knight bretheren in chance of picking up skills that would aid them into leading a better life.  In the current world of economic and tradeskill diversity, without a doubt the computer is the most universal means for organization, development, and, with the internet, a gateway for sales in quickly growing segment of the marketing world.  No, a person that lacks computer knowledge is not an idiot by any means, but they are without a doubt, misguided in their priorities if they wish to achieve success in modern times.</p>
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