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		<title>By: NUNZIO Bagliere</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NUNZIO Bagliere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoy being a C.E.O of my company world wide and my staff enjoy Apple and for security reasons that are protected on OSX . From Nunzio Bagliere Syracuse N.Y]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy being a C.E.O of my company world wide and my staff enjoy Apple and for security reasons that are protected on OSX . From Nunzio Bagliere Syracuse N.Y</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Reestman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Reestman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James,

You&#039;re so right. This article should have been just the last two paragraphs. They&#039;re all that mattered. 

Instead, we&#039;re slicing the data six ways from Sunday to reach a 91% figure that&#039;s meaningless anyway. 

I opened this door, so it&#039;s my bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so right. This article should have been just the last two paragraphs. They&#8217;re all that mattered. </p>
<p>Instead, we&#8217;re slicing the data six ways from Sunday to reach a 91% figure that&#8217;s meaningless anyway. </p>
<p>I opened this door, so it&#8217;s my bad.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom,
You missed more than half of my argument.  The data is just US.  The data is just retail stores. So not the worldwide 60+m PCs, or 2.6m Macs.  

The data is also just June, when as Apple said, the white MacBook was cannibalized by the new MacBook Pro.  And there&#039;s no way that white MacBooks and Mac minis total 23% of Macs sold; remember that Mac ASP is close to 1300 for the quarter.

Gartner estimated 1.4m Macs sold in the US in the quarter (not June).  And 14.9m PCs (excluding Macs),  For PCs, some large % are corporate and direct sales. Some % is online sales.  Let&#039;s say 4m are sold in retail stores in qtr. 14%, or very likely more, are netbooks (since netbooks sold via corporate and direct sales are probably negligible).  Go from there...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,<br />
You missed more than half of my argument.  The data is just US.  The data is just retail stores. So not the worldwide 60+m PCs, or 2.6m Macs.  </p>
<p>The data is also just June, when as Apple said, the white MacBook was cannibalized by the new MacBook Pro.  And there&#8217;s no way that white MacBooks and Mac minis total 23% of Macs sold; remember that Mac ASP is close to 1300 for the quarter.</p>
<p>Gartner estimated 1.4m Macs sold in the US in the quarter (not June).  And 14.9m PCs (excluding Macs),  For PCs, some large % are corporate and direct sales. Some % is online sales.  Let&#8217;s say 4m are sold in retail stores in qtr. 14%, or very likely more, are netbooks (since netbooks sold via corporate and direct sales are probably negligible).  Go from there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: isulzer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[isulzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gah!! This argument is silly. Yes the 91% is meaningless, pretty much. All it tells you(in context) is that the purchasing habits of consumers at big retail stores are to buy cheap PCs and expensive macs. 

The data does not include sales from sites like Dell.com and Apple.com(or corporate, or homebrews). This is guaranteed to skew things. It may be that consumers who buy expensive PCs use direct order, while those who purchase expensive macs run off to the store.

If you had a number that included all pcs sold, then that would be meaningful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah!! This argument is silly. Yes the 91% is meaningless, pretty much. All it tells you(in context) is that the purchasing habits of consumers at big retail stores are to buy cheap PCs and expensive macs. </p>
<p>The data does not include sales from sites like Dell.com and Apple.com(or corporate, or homebrews). This is guaranteed to skew things. It may be that consumers who buy expensive PCs use direct order, while those who purchase expensive macs run off to the store.</p>
<p>If you had a number that included all pcs sold, then that would be meaningful.</p>
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		<title>By: James Dempsey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Dempsey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The most important question to ask here, and the one I **believe** Tom was getting at with the article is:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;WHO FREAKING CARES?&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Honestly, these cost debates are about as turd-filled as a Mac vs. PC argument between two die-hard users of each platform.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most important question to ask here, and the one I **believe** Tom was getting at with the article is:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;WHO FREAKING CARES?&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Honestly, these cost debates are about as turd-filled as a Mac vs. PC argument between two die-hard users of each platform.</p>
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		<title>By: NUNZIO Bagliere</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NUNZIO Bagliere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TAKE A BYTE OUT OF APPLE FROM NUNZIO BAGLIERE SYRACUSE N.Y]]></description>
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		<title>By: Tom Reestman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Reestman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, 

Thanks for the analysis, here is why I disagree: 

- According to IDC, worldwide PC shipments for the last quarter were 68.15M. (This figure is not definitive, but close enough for our purpose.) 
- We know from Apple&#039;s earnings call they sold 2.6M Macs during the same quarter. 

How may of the Macs were over $1K? Apple doesn&#039;t say, but the white MacBook (very popular) and Mac minis are under that. Let&#039;s say they accounted for 600,000 units, so 2M Macs were over $1K. 

If that 2M represents 91% of the &quot;over $1K&quot; market, the total must be around 2.2M units. So, out of over 68M PCs sold only 200,000 were over $1K? No way I believe that. 

This is why I think it&#039;s about counting revenue over the $1K threshold, not the PCs themselves. Sure, of the 68M PC sold most were under (heck, well under) $1K, but I think a lot more than 200,000 crossed that threshold.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, </p>
<p>Thanks for the analysis, here is why I disagree: </p>
<p>- According to IDC, worldwide PC shipments for the last quarter were 68.15M. (This figure is not definitive, but close enough for our purpose.)<br />
- We know from Apple&#8217;s earnings call they sold 2.6M Macs during the same quarter. </p>
<p>How may of the Macs were over $1K? Apple doesn&#8217;t say, but the white MacBook (very popular) and Mac minis are under that. Let&#8217;s say they accounted for 600,000 units, so 2M Macs were over $1K. </p>
<p>If that 2M represents 91% of the &#8220;over $1K&#8221; market, the total must be around 2.2M units. So, out of over 68M PCs sold only 200,000 were over $1K? No way I believe that. </p>
<p>This is why I think it&#8217;s about counting revenue over the $1K threshold, not the PCs themselves. Sure, of the 68M PC sold most were under (heck, well under) $1K, but I think a lot more than 200,000 crossed that threshold.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just want to add that if you include corporate sales and online sales, then the 91 percent would not be correct.

One other point: Just look at the Amazon computer sales ranking.  You have to go pretty far down the list to find a PC over $1000.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to add that if you include corporate sales and online sales, then the 91 percent would not be correct.</p>
<p>One other point: Just look at the Amazon computer sales ranking.  You have to go pretty far down the list to find a PC over $1000.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the 9 out of 10 computers (costing over $1000) are Macs is believable. Here&#039;s why:
1. NPD data is based on retail store sales only (60 retailers, 17000 stores across US). Most over-$1000 PCs are bought by corporations, and not at retail stores.  How many over $1000 PCs do you see carried and advertised at retail stores?  Retail stores generally carry stock of only the highest volume PC models, which generally cost less than $800.
2. Almost all Macs are over $1000, even for those at retail stores. As you wrote, the ASP at retail stores was $1400. 
3. MS said almost 14% of PCs sold (in the qtr) were netbooks, which mostly sell for less than $400, and many of which are sold at retail stores.  Corporations generally don&#039;t buy netbooks.
4. The ASP for all PCs (at retail stores) was $515.

If you make some assumptions about the division of the 16M PCs sold (Gartner est) in the qtr into corporate sales, online sales, and retail store sales, and if you assume the retailers include Apple Store, Walmart, Target, Best Buy, MicroCenter, Frys, Staples, etc., then doing the math, one can come to the conclusion that of those PCs sold costing more than $1000, 9 out of 10 are Macs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the 9 out of 10 computers (costing over $1000) are Macs is believable. Here&#8217;s why:<br />
1. NPD data is based on retail store sales only (60 retailers, 17000 stores across US). Most over-$1000 PCs are bought by corporations, and not at retail stores.  How many over $1000 PCs do you see carried and advertised at retail stores?  Retail stores generally carry stock of only the highest volume PC models, which generally cost less than $800.<br />
2. Almost all Macs are over $1000, even for those at retail stores. As you wrote, the ASP at retail stores was $1400.<br />
3. MS said almost 14% of PCs sold (in the qtr) were netbooks, which mostly sell for less than $400, and many of which are sold at retail stores.  Corporations generally don&#8217;t buy netbooks.<br />
4. The ASP for all PCs (at retail stores) was $515.</p>
<p>If you make some assumptions about the division of the 16M PCs sold (Gartner est) in the qtr into corporate sales, online sales, and retail store sales, and if you assume the retailers include Apple Store, Walmart, Target, Best Buy, MicroCenter, Frys, Staples, etc., then doing the math, one can come to the conclusion that of those PCs sold costing more than $1000, 9 out of 10 are Macs.</p>
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		<title>By: DWes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DWes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many corps buy $2000+ computers thinking they&#039;re getting something better.  And most of those computers aren&#039;t Macs.   I&#039;d be surprised if either the revenue share or market share for Apple are 90%.  But I&#039;d also be surprised if Apple doesn&#039;t make more money per computer than anybody else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many corps buy $2000+ computers thinking they&#8217;re getting something better.  And most of those computers aren&#8217;t Macs.   I&#8217;d be surprised if either the revenue share or market share for Apple are 90%.  But I&#8217;d also be surprised if Apple doesn&#8217;t make more money per computer than anybody else.</p>
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		<title>By: steveballmer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steveballmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You people will believe anything won&#039;t you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people will believe anything won&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Sim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom,

I apologize for the tone of my criticism. I am used to quality articles coming from the Apple Blog, and I was puzzled to see the breakdown. I am sure that 99% of your pieces are brilliant but this is not one of them. 

As a previous commenter added, &quot;your math does not add up.&quot; That&#039;s my main objection. It&#039;s not really subject to interpretation, either. As I&#039;ve said, if someone buys a PC for $1,045, then the dollars spent on a PC costing $1,000 or more are $1,045, not $45. Tell me how that can be interpreted differently.

Tomorrow is another day. I look forward to many posts to come, each better than the other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I apologize for the tone of my criticism. I am used to quality articles coming from the Apple Blog, and I was puzzled to see the breakdown. I am sure that 99% of your pieces are brilliant but this is not one of them. </p>
<p>As a previous commenter added, &#8220;your math does not add up.&#8221; That&#8217;s my main objection. It&#8217;s not really subject to interpretation, either. As I&#8217;ve said, if someone buys a PC for $1,045, then the dollars spent on a PC costing $1,000 or more are $1,045, not $45. Tell me how that can be interpreted differently.</p>
<p>Tomorrow is another day. I look forward to many posts to come, each better than the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Reestman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Reestman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it was meant to really answer that question. Honestly, I think it&#039;s more of a &quot;good headline&quot; stat that doesn&#039;t really prove anything in terms of how a company (or its competition) is doing. 

For example, what was Apple&#039;s percentage in the mid- to late-90s? Macs have never been &quot;cheap&quot;, so while not 91 it&#039;s safe to say the percentage was very high. Yet Apple was in a death spiral while the Microsoft/PC ecosystem was kicking ass. 

One stat does not a business plan make.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it was meant to really answer that question. Honestly, I think it&#8217;s more of a &#8220;good headline&#8221; stat that doesn&#8217;t really prove anything in terms of how a company (or its competition) is doing. </p>
<p>For example, what was Apple&#8217;s percentage in the mid- to late-90s? Macs have never been &#8220;cheap&#8221;, so while not 91 it&#8217;s safe to say the percentage was very high. Yet Apple was in a death spiral while the Microsoft/PC ecosystem was kicking ass. </p>
<p>One stat does not a business plan make.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Reestman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Reestman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sim,

I have no issue with criticism, and certainly get plenty of it here, but your post has me confused. 

Not every post can absolve the reader of perhaps Googling something themselves, especially when it&#039;s written on the good faith assumption that the interested reader will know what it is. I did write in good faith, so I&#039;m sorry you didn&#039;t know the particulars: 

** NPD is a market research firm. They crop up a lot on tech blogs every quarter as they release their data. They&#039;re no stranger to the Apple Blog, having been mentioned in two other posts of ours just this month. 
** Joe Wilcox wrote eWeek&#039;s &quot;Microsoft Watch&quot; and &quot;Apple Watch&quot; blogs until just a few months ago, and he posts elsewhere as well. 
** As for me, I&#039;ve been writing on TAB for 10 months. 

Point being that a writer has to assume a certain knowledge. Not necessarily for the entire blog, but certainly by post. When discussing share and retail sales numbers NPD is commonplace, and I considered Wilcox to be as familiar as Paul Thurrott or Mary Jo Foley around here. 

By all means, hammer me for my interpretation of the quote and the whole &quot;91 percent&quot; thing. It&#039;s worth debating because, whether I interpret it right or wrong, I believe the statistic sounds cool but means little. 

However, I disagree with the specific criticisms you brought to bear here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sim,</p>
<p>I have no issue with criticism, and certainly get plenty of it here, but your post has me confused. </p>
<p>Not every post can absolve the reader of perhaps Googling something themselves, especially when it&#8217;s written on the good faith assumption that the interested reader will know what it is. I did write in good faith, so I&#8217;m sorry you didn&#8217;t know the particulars: </p>
<p>** NPD is a market research firm. They crop up a lot on tech blogs every quarter as they release their data. They&#8217;re no stranger to the Apple Blog, having been mentioned in two other posts of ours just this month.<br />
** Joe Wilcox wrote eWeek&#8217;s &#8220;Microsoft Watch&#8221; and &#8220;Apple Watch&#8221; blogs until just a few months ago, and he posts elsewhere as well.<br />
** As for me, I&#8217;ve been writing on TAB for 10 months. </p>
<p>Point being that a writer has to assume a certain knowledge. Not necessarily for the entire blog, but certainly by post. When discussing share and retail sales numbers NPD is commonplace, and I considered Wilcox to be as familiar as Paul Thurrott or Mary Jo Foley around here. </p>
<p>By all means, hammer me for my interpretation of the quote and the whole &#8220;91 percent&#8221; thing. It&#8217;s worth debating because, whether I interpret it right or wrong, I believe the statistic sounds cool but means little. </p>
<p>However, I disagree with the specific criticisms you brought to bear here.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Reestman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Reestman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan (and Matt),

I read the quote as drawing the line at $1K and looking at all the dollars above it. That&#039;s still how I see it, though it is a bit ambiguous. 

If I read it the way you two want to, then it&#039;s right back to nine out of every 10 $1K+ PCs are Apple&#039;s, which I think is refuted almost via empirical evidence. 

I think what we DO agree on, however, is that the statistic either way is pretty meaningless. As I said, Microsoft and PC vendors have made tons of money with lower-cost machines than Apple. In the end it&#039;s all about the bottom line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan (and Matt),</p>
<p>I read the quote as drawing the line at $1K and looking at all the dollars above it. That&#8217;s still how I see it, though it is a bit ambiguous. </p>
<p>If I read it the way you two want to, then it&#8217;s right back to nine out of every 10 $1K+ PCs are Apple&#8217;s, which I think is refuted almost via empirical evidence. </p>
<p>I think what we DO agree on, however, is that the statistic either way is pretty meaningless. As I said, Microsoft and PC vendors have made tons of money with lower-cost machines than Apple. In the end it&#8217;s all about the bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Reestman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Reestman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jason,

Ultimately, that was my point. It isn&#039;t 9 out of 10 PCs, but 9 out of 10 dollars over $1K, but even then it&#039;s a statistic of little value.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>Ultimately, that was my point. It isn&#8217;t 9 out of 10 PCs, but 9 out of 10 dollars over $1K, but even then it&#8217;s a statistic of little value.</p>
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