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	<title>Comments on: Apple&#8217;s Budget Macs: Real Possibility or Wishful Thinking?</title>
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		<title>By: MacBook Getting Slashed &#124; Geeks Get More</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MacBook Getting Slashed &#124; Geeks Get More]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 20:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it looks like Apple is planning to cut the base price for its lowest level MacBook. Experts and pundits alike are forecasting anywhere from $100-150 to fall off the premium $999, leaving an affordable [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it looks like Apple is planning to cut the base price for its lowest level MacBook. Experts and pundits alike are forecasting anywhere from $100-150 to fall off the premium $999, leaving an affordable [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 18:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It really doesn&#039;t matter what anyone outside Apple says. The fact is Apple is denying they&#039;ll ever introduce a netbook. The more they deny it the more obvious it is that that&#039;s exactly what they&#039;re about to do. With liberals you take what they&#039;re saying, turn it around 180 degrees, and you&#039;re closer to the truth... Remember when Apple said there would never be a video iPod just weeks before introducing it? Steve Jobs went public and said nobody would want to watch a movie on a 2.5&quot; screen. Remember all those statements about Intel? Now most iPods have video and all Macs have Intel processors... I predict in a few weeks Apple will introduce their new netbook. It&#039;ll probably be higher priced and higher quality than the competition. It may have some fancy new features the other netbooks don&#039;t have. This would be in keeping with Apple&#039;s recent history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really doesn&#8217;t matter what anyone outside Apple says. The fact is Apple is denying they&#8217;ll ever introduce a netbook. The more they deny it the more obvious it is that that&#8217;s exactly what they&#8217;re about to do. With liberals you take what they&#8217;re saying, turn it around 180 degrees, and you&#8217;re closer to the truth&#8230; Remember when Apple said there would never be a video iPod just weeks before introducing it? Steve Jobs went public and said nobody would want to watch a movie on a 2.5&#8243; screen. Remember all those statements about Intel? Now most iPods have video and all Macs have Intel processors&#8230; I predict in a few weeks Apple will introduce their new netbook. It&#8217;ll probably be higher priced and higher quality than the competition. It may have some fancy new features the other netbooks don&#8217;t have. This would be in keeping with Apple&#8217;s recent history.</p>
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		<title>By: Howie Isaacks</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howie Isaacks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 11:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this is true, the timing isn&#039;t very good.  Microsoft has been running ads accusing Apple of being too expensive.  If Apple starts lowering prices, they might as well also post an ad admitting that they&#039;ve been over charging us all along.  Don&#039;t get me wrong.  I would love to see Apple&#039;s prices come down.  My worry is that they might lower quality to do it.  Quality is expensive sometimes.  That&#039;s why I don&#039;t whine about paying more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is true, the timing isn&#8217;t very good.  Microsoft has been running ads accusing Apple of being too expensive.  If Apple starts lowering prices, they might as well also post an ad admitting that they&#8217;ve been over charging us all along.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong.  I would love to see Apple&#8217;s prices come down.  My worry is that they might lower quality to do it.  Quality is expensive sometimes.  That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t whine about paying more.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis wheeler</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344823</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louis wheeler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you had read the articles regarding the lg-ke850 you would know that it was never a production mobile phone. It was a prototype and it was nothing like any of the Smart phones in operation. That is, it was not within years of production. Hey, even the iPhone was lacking when it was introduced.

So what if the smart people at lg were thinking along the same lines Apple? What lg did was to take the iPod and enlarge it into a phone. This was good thinking, but did this phone come out in competition against the iphone? No.

The facts about some the parts of the iPhone were evident from the suppliers even before the IPhone was announced, so it was easy to create a mockup. I&#039;ve seen prototypes Apple Phones during that period, which bears no resemblance to the iPhone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you had read the articles regarding the lg-ke850 you would know that it was never a production mobile phone. It was a prototype and it was nothing like any of the Smart phones in operation. That is, it was not within years of production. Hey, even the iPhone was lacking when it was introduced.</p>
<p>So what if the smart people at lg were thinking along the same lines Apple? What lg did was to take the iPod and enlarge it into a phone. This was good thinking, but did this phone come out in competition against the iphone? No.</p>
<p>The facts about some the parts of the iPhone were evident from the suppliers even before the IPhone was announced, so it was easy to create a mockup. I&#8217;ve seen prototypes Apple Phones during that period, which bears no resemblance to the iPhone.</p>
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		<title>By: Uh oh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344822</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uh oh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn’t seem likely, to me, that Apple will produce anything that looks like a Netbook. Why? Because the people who are arguing for this are demanding that Apple act like a copycat. Apple doesn’t do that. Just look at the iPod and iPhone; they are nothing like the then current Music players or Mobile Phones. 

OH REALLY...

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn’t seem likely, to me, that Apple will produce anything that looks like a Netbook. Why? Because the people who are arguing for this are demanding that Apple act like a copycat. Apple doesn’t do that. Just look at the iPod and iPhone; they are nothing like the then current Music players or Mobile Phones. </p>
<p>OH REALLY&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Louis wheeler</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louis wheeler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t seem likely, to me, that Apple will produce anything that looks like a Netbook. Why? Because the people who are arguing for this are demanding that Apple act like a copycat. Apple doesn&#039;t do that. Just look at the iPod and iPhone; they are nothing like the then current Music players or Mobile Phones. 

Apple created their own niche and expanded it. I would expect the same if Apple entered the Netbook market. It would have a competely different form factor. 

What I would like to see is an iPod Touch in pocket back book size with a higher screen resolution to keep the size small enough. 

A 6.6 inch screen in 16/10 format at 240 dots per inch would have 1344 by 840 pixels. This would create a device about six inches by 3.75 inches which would fit in a purse or back pocket. It would be ideally sized for a movie viewer, e-book reader and personal game player. It would build on Apple&#039;s success. It would do everything you would want an Netbook to do, but it would cost only about $299 to $399.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem likely, to me, that Apple will produce anything that looks like a Netbook. Why? Because the people who are arguing for this are demanding that Apple act like a copycat. Apple doesn&#8217;t do that. Just look at the iPod and iPhone; they are nothing like the then current Music players or Mobile Phones. </p>
<p>Apple created their own niche and expanded it. I would expect the same if Apple entered the Netbook market. It would have a competely different form factor. </p>
<p>What I would like to see is an iPod Touch in pocket back book size with a higher screen resolution to keep the size small enough. </p>
<p>A 6.6 inch screen in 16/10 format at 240 dots per inch would have 1344 by 840 pixels. This would create a device about six inches by 3.75 inches which would fit in a purse or back pocket. It would be ideally sized for a movie viewer, e-book reader and personal game player. It would build on Apple&#8217;s success. It would do everything you would want an Netbook to do, but it would cost only about $299 to $399.</p>
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		<title>By: Infophiliac</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344820</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Infophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt; if you know absolutely nothing about computers, and you’re presented with two all-in-ones side by side, and the price tag on the Dell is a lot cheaper, you’re probably going to get the Dell. You’d be wrong &lt;&lt;

No. Macs are not right for every situation (and I say this as someone who owns both an iMac and Macbook Pro). If all you really need is a glorified netbook to send pictures of the kids to Grandma, and you&#039;re on a restrained budget, that Dell might be exactly right for you. Given a choice between sending the kids to camp and buying a Mac just to run Safari and Mail, you might be better served by getting that Dell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; if you know absolutely nothing about computers, and you’re presented with two all-in-ones side by side, and the price tag on the Dell is a lot cheaper, you’re probably going to get the Dell. You’d be wrong &lt;&lt;</p>
<p>No. Macs are not right for every situation (and I say this as someone who owns both an iMac and Macbook Pro). If all you really need is a glorified netbook to send pictures of the kids to Grandma, and you&#8217;re on a restrained budget, that Dell might be exactly right for you. Given a choice between sending the kids to camp and buying a Mac just to run Safari and Mail, you might be better served by getting that Dell.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344818</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think they are moving in this direction, waiting to strike.   They already own the majority of all purchases above $1000.   Something like 2/3 of all machines over $1000 are Apples.   That is huge, and it&#039;s the hardest part, not the low hanging fruit.

They can easily come out with a low spec&#039;ed machine, perhaps with their own processor, and a small screen that won&#039;t compete with their laptops.    Any way you look at it though, the margins would suffer.    They would have to make up for that in volume.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they are moving in this direction, waiting to strike.   They already own the majority of all purchases above $1000.   Something like 2/3 of all machines over $1000 are Apples.   That is huge, and it&#8217;s the hardest part, not the low hanging fruit.</p>
<p>They can easily come out with a low spec&#8217;ed machine, perhaps with their own processor, and a small screen that won&#8217;t compete with their laptops.    Any way you look at it though, the margins would suffer.    They would have to make up for that in volume.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344817</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who is engaging in wishful thinking now? Apple has had years to re-introduce an affordable desktop or tower and they&#039;ve steadfastly refused to do so. Those of us who&#039;ve been waiting for what seems like forever have given up on ever seeing one.

Clearly Apple has sales projections that show a tower would be a poor use of resources.

The razor/blades approach only works when people have to buy compatible blades. Intel Macs use generic RAM, generic hard drives, generic optical drives, etc. Some day soon PCs will adopt EFI instead of BIOS and even generic video cards will work, provided there are drivers.

Apple won&#039;t be able to sell blades so they need to charge a premium price for the razor.

Apple really only succeeds where they control the entire widget like they do with their laptops and iMacs or when dealing with Pro customers who think nothing of paying 3 times too much for a hard drive. Hard evidence: Canadian Apple Store wants $360 for a 1TB drive that costs only $110 at my local PC shop.

The Mac mini is as far as they&#039;re willing to go with a modular Mac and once you add a usable amount of RAM, decent HD, keyboard and mouse you&#039;re up into iMac price range and you&#039;ve got an inferior box with no display.

I do not believe Apple will bring out new, lower models. Not only will it cheapen the brand image it would show a large number of people that they can get away with less Mac and that would forever harm their ability to up-sell people in the future.

If Apple does anything with prices it will involve squeezing their suppliers for better pricing so they can make some small retail price cuts without hurting margins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is engaging in wishful thinking now? Apple has had years to re-introduce an affordable desktop or tower and they&#8217;ve steadfastly refused to do so. Those of us who&#8217;ve been waiting for what seems like forever have given up on ever seeing one.</p>
<p>Clearly Apple has sales projections that show a tower would be a poor use of resources.</p>
<p>The razor/blades approach only works when people have to buy compatible blades. Intel Macs use generic RAM, generic hard drives, generic optical drives, etc. Some day soon PCs will adopt EFI instead of BIOS and even generic video cards will work, provided there are drivers.</p>
<p>Apple won&#8217;t be able to sell blades so they need to charge a premium price for the razor.</p>
<p>Apple really only succeeds where they control the entire widget like they do with their laptops and iMacs or when dealing with Pro customers who think nothing of paying 3 times too much for a hard drive. Hard evidence: Canadian Apple Store wants $360 for a 1TB drive that costs only $110 at my local PC shop.</p>
<p>The Mac mini is as far as they&#8217;re willing to go with a modular Mac and once you add a usable amount of RAM, decent HD, keyboard and mouse you&#8217;re up into iMac price range and you&#8217;ve got an inferior box with no display.</p>
<p>I do not believe Apple will bring out new, lower models. Not only will it cheapen the brand image it would show a large number of people that they can get away with less Mac and that would forever harm their ability to up-sell people in the future.</p>
<p>If Apple does anything with prices it will involve squeezing their suppliers for better pricing so they can make some small retail price cuts without hurting margins.</p>
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		<title>By: What to read on the GigaOM network</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344816</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What to read on the GigaOM network]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] May 4, 2009 &#124; 11:17 AM PT &#124; 0 comments    The last frontier for P2P VOD: Your patience (NewTeeVee) Apple&#8217;s budget Macs: Reasonable or wishful thinking? (TheAppleBlog) Weramouse: Mousing without a desk (jkOnTheRun) Keep cool with the Lapinator Laptop [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] May 4, 2009 | 11:17 AM PT | 0 comments    The last frontier for P2P VOD: Your patience (NewTeeVee) Apple&#8217;s budget Macs: Reasonable or wishful thinking? (TheAppleBlog) Weramouse: Mousing without a desk (jkOnTheRun) Keep cool with the Lapinator Laptop [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt; Crippled specs would just have people complaining that they could get a Dell with 10 times better internals for the same price, which would put us exactly where we are now &lt;&lt;

Disagree.  The reason there seems to be an Apple Tax at all is because Apple doesn&#039;t cripple their specs or build quality.  If they did, as you suggest, then the prices would be comparable with a Dell with the same specs, not to one with with better specs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Crippled specs would just have people complaining that they could get a Dell with 10 times better internals for the same price, which would put us exactly where we are now &lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Disagree.  The reason there seems to be an Apple Tax at all is because Apple doesn&#8217;t cripple their specs or build quality.  If they did, as you suggest, then the prices would be comparable with a Dell with the same specs, not to one with with better specs.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apples-budget-macs-real-possibility-or-wishful-thinking/#comment-344814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only way I see Apple lowering prices is to lower the prices of their upgrade options in the shopping cart. Paying $400 for 2 gigs of RAM is not realistic, but if they made it more market competitive Apple could still see more money while &quot;lowering their products&#039; price.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way I see Apple lowering prices is to lower the prices of their upgrade options in the shopping cart. Paying $400 for 2 gigs of RAM is not realistic, but if they made it more market competitive Apple could still see more money while &#8220;lowering their products&#8217; price.&#8221;</p>
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