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	<title>Comments on: Apple Is NOT Going to License the Mac OS to Other Hardware Makers</title>
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		<title>By: donate</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to say that I love this site]]></description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 10:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they lowered there Prices people probly wouldnt even be thinking about wanting it to be licenced to other hardware vendors lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they lowered there Prices people probly wouldnt even be thinking about wanting it to be licenced to other hardware vendors lol</p>
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		<title>By: Rory Sinclair</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rory Sinclair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No way Apple will EVER go Intel.... uhh.. wait a second...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way Apple will EVER go Intel&#8230;. uhh.. wait a second&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 14:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I argee with some post here. Never say never. Becoz someday if apple has over 30% to 40% of market share they will properly be forced to open up by some stupid law.

But why is it hard to open up? If apple force them to use only ATI and Nvidia gfx. Only selected Intel chip and chipset. I dont see there would be a problem with drivers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I argee with some post here. Never say never. Becoz someday if apple has over 30% to 40% of market share they will properly be forced to open up by some stupid law.</p>
<p>But why is it hard to open up? If apple force them to use only ATI and Nvidia gfx. Only selected Intel chip and chipset. I dont see there would be a problem with drivers.</p>
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		<title>By: superkona</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[superkona]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 08:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all of you who keep saying &quot;OSX is so great because it is tightly integrated with the hardware&quot; -wrong

I&#039;m writing this from a Pentium 805d based system running 10.4.8.

I can do everything you can do on your Mac, iChat, Skype, Burn DVDs, edit DV.. and my system (450 usd) has a geekbench score of 203 - not bad. It boots in 14 seconds.

I took a look at Vista and was let down.

After using OSX on my desktop, my next laptop will probably be a Macbook. I&#039;m also more keen to buy apple consumer hardware that will get along nicely with my new OSX desktop. That includes ipods, iphone, iskates or whatever they dream up next year.. (I&#039;ve already patented iskates, don&#039;t think about it)

I&#039;ve purchased a few apple applications along the way. I&#039;ve spent about 75 dollars on mac apps in the past few months.

Let&#039;s say Steve says something like this, &quot;Nothing beats a Mac, but if you already bought a machine with the hopes of running Vista and you were let down, well, I have a surprise for you. Apple is now offering OS X for PCs without support - however there are several partners of ours who are offering support packages&quot;

Apple can sell OSX for 49 dollars without support (and 6 months free .mac). Donate half of all that to charities (let the buyer choose from several)

I am sure there are companies out there who would jump at being an apple preferred support provider. Per incident, per month, per year..

The problems I have had so far have been solved very easily with forums and nice fellows on irc.macspeak.net #osx86 - this is not rocket science.

So let&#039;s say there are 20 million people worldwide who take Steve&#039;s offer. These are folks who already have a PC and don&#039;t have the cash to throw down right now on a shiny new mac. I pulled that number out of my ass, it may be more, it may be less.

At 20 million copies sold, that would be $490 million to Apple and $490 million to charities. Think about that.

They should get some tax breaks as well..

It would be simple enough to have a Hardware Compatibility Check that folks could download to save themselves the trouble of trying to install on a machine that did not support it.

Just don&#039;t tell me OSX needs &#039;tightly coupled hardware&#039; to be a success.. bahh..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all of you who keep saying &#8220;OSX is so great because it is tightly integrated with the hardware&#8221; -wrong</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing this from a Pentium 805d based system running 10.4.8.</p>
<p>I can do everything you can do on your Mac, iChat, Skype, Burn DVDs, edit DV.. and my system (450 usd) has a geekbench score of 203 &#8211; not bad. It boots in 14 seconds.</p>
<p>I took a look at Vista and was let down.</p>
<p>After using OSX on my desktop, my next laptop will probably be a Macbook. I&#8217;m also more keen to buy apple consumer hardware that will get along nicely with my new OSX desktop. That includes ipods, iphone, iskates or whatever they dream up next year.. (I&#8217;ve already patented iskates, don&#8217;t think about it)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve purchased a few apple applications along the way. I&#8217;ve spent about 75 dollars on mac apps in the past few months.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say Steve says something like this, &#8220;Nothing beats a Mac, but if you already bought a machine with the hopes of running Vista and you were let down, well, I have a surprise for you. Apple is now offering OS X for PCs without support &#8211; however there are several partners of ours who are offering support packages&#8221;</p>
<p>Apple can sell OSX for 49 dollars without support (and 6 months free .mac). Donate half of all that to charities (let the buyer choose from several)</p>
<p>I am sure there are companies out there who would jump at being an apple preferred support provider. Per incident, per month, per year..</p>
<p>The problems I have had so far have been solved very easily with forums and nice fellows on irc.macspeak.net #osx86 &#8211; this is not rocket science.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s say there are 20 million people worldwide who take Steve&#8217;s offer. These are folks who already have a PC and don&#8217;t have the cash to throw down right now on a shiny new mac. I pulled that number out of my ass, it may be more, it may be less.</p>
<p>At 20 million copies sold, that would be $490 million to Apple and $490 million to charities. Think about that.</p>
<p>They should get some tax breaks as well..</p>
<p>It would be simple enough to have a Hardware Compatibility Check that folks could download to save themselves the trouble of trying to install on a machine that did not support it.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t tell me OSX needs &#8216;tightly coupled hardware&#8217; to be a success.. bahh..</p>
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		<title>By: Hannes Stiebitzhofer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hannes Stiebitzhofer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being a software company only has a lot of disadvantages in this area and the most prominent one is complexity costs, as as recently demonstrated nicely by Mirosoft. To control the plattform on which the operating system has to run is a huge advantage when testing etc. And Apple recently reduced the compexity by reducing the number of models offered.

Or let&#039;s say it this way - in the future it will be a huge competitive advantage for Apple to control the hardware as they can do better software in still small release cycles at reasonable cost....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a software company only has a lot of disadvantages in this area and the most prominent one is complexity costs, as as recently demonstrated nicely by Mirosoft. To control the plattform on which the operating system has to run is a huge advantage when testing etc. And Apple recently reduced the compexity by reducing the number of models offered.</p>
<p>Or let&#8217;s say it this way &#8211; in the future it will be a huge competitive advantage for Apple to control the hardware as they can do better software in still small release cycles at reasonable cost&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seemed to work for Microsoft]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seemed to work for Microsoft</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Rod, yea I guess they are a hardware company (for the majority), but does not mean they can not expand their software or revenue from it.

Many people probably wont like this, but look at MS.  They were mainly a software company and have made some strides in hardware.  Yes, the first Xbox ran them $4bil in debt, but with the 360 they are making strides and will be turning profit per console sold soon.

Just because a company is what it is now, does not mean they can not expand.

Also, for someone who walks into an apple store and then to a dell store, would probably say &quot;well, Windows XP runs on this machine and it is $XXX amount cheaper&quot;.  I do not think the average computer person (ie, mother father buying for thier kid) really cares that much about the OS, in regards to cost.  They will buy the cheaper hardware, because...it is cheaper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rod, yea I guess they are a hardware company (for the majority), but does not mean they can not expand their software or revenue from it.</p>
<p>Many people probably wont like this, but look at MS.  They were mainly a software company and have made some strides in hardware.  Yes, the first Xbox ran them $4bil in debt, but with the 360 they are making strides and will be turning profit per console sold soon.</p>
<p>Just because a company is what it is now, does not mean they can not expand.</p>
<p>Also, for someone who walks into an apple store and then to a dell store, would probably say &#8220;well, Windows XP runs on this machine and it is $XXX amount cheaper&#8221;.  I do not think the average computer person (ie, mother father buying for thier kid) really cares that much about the OS, in regards to cost.  They will buy the cheaper hardware, because&#8230;it is cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: J.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 00:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve Jobs doing something because the shareholders &quot;demand&quot; it?  What are you on?  The only person Jobs listens to is Jobs, and Apple is making far too much money for the shareholders or Board to ditch him.  Apple will never license OS X as long as Jobs works there—plain and simple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Jobs doing something because the shareholders &#8220;demand&#8221; it?  What are you on?  The only person Jobs listens to is Jobs, and Apple is making far too much money for the shareholders or Board to ditch him.  Apple will never license OS X as long as Jobs works there—plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hodgen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Hodgen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d love to see Apple release OSX on a live CD, like a lot of linux distros.  The OS would run from the CD but not be installable.  You&#039;d be able to order the CD for free.

Just enough stuff would work to give the average beige box owner a flavor of running OSX.  I think that lots of them would run to the nearest Apple Store and buy a Mac.  Most of them don&#039;t know what they&#039;re missing, giving them a taste would be a great way to promote sales.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see Apple release OSX on a live CD, like a lot of linux distros.  The OS would run from the CD but not be installable.  You&#8217;d be able to order the CD for free.</p>
<p>Just enough stuff would work to give the average beige box owner a flavor of running OSX.  I think that lots of them would run to the nearest Apple Store and buy a Mac.  Most of them don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re missing, giving them a taste would be a great way to promote sales.</p>
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		<title>By: ksgant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ksgant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I agree that they won&#039;t be licensing OSX anytime soon, you can NEVER say NEVER. Wonder how many people out there were saying that Apple would NEVER go to Intel.

Also, please I beg of you all, don&#039;t say the &quot;Apple is a hardware company&quot; line. I&#039;m so sick of that. You mean it&#039;s written in stone? They can never, ever become a software company? Gee, I think they can pretty much do what they want. If they wanted to dump all their hardware and just sell software they could do that. It&#039;s been done before you know, and to success. Again, I don&#039;t ever see them doing that, but I have an open mind and I&#039;ve learned never to say never.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that they won&#8217;t be licensing OSX anytime soon, you can NEVER say NEVER. Wonder how many people out there were saying that Apple would NEVER go to Intel.</p>
<p>Also, please I beg of you all, don&#8217;t say the &#8220;Apple is a hardware company&#8221; line. I&#8217;m so sick of that. You mean it&#8217;s written in stone? They can never, ever become a software company? Gee, I think they can pretty much do what they want. If they wanted to dump all their hardware and just sell software they could do that. It&#8217;s been done before you know, and to success. Again, I don&#8217;t ever see them doing that, but I have an open mind and I&#8217;ve learned never to say never.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hobbs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its time to think outside the box. Leopard should be released to all PC users to thwart Vista (which is close enough to Os X that many users may not switch). Since Leopard &quot;ultimate Edition&quot; will cost around $129 or so, it can have Vista for lunch which has a &quot;Wow! or Ouch!&quot; pricing scheme.

Leopard also runs on less demanding hardware. Right now Apples hardware is quite competitive for its specifications. It would only lose the low cost conscious purchasers, but would gain from the OEM revenue for Leopard.

Peace!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its time to think outside the box. Leopard should be released to all PC users to thwart Vista (which is close enough to Os X that many users may not switch). Since Leopard &#8220;ultimate Edition&#8221; will cost around $129 or so, it can have Vista for lunch which has a &#8220;Wow! or Ouch!&#8221; pricing scheme.</p>
<p>Leopard also runs on less demanding hardware. Right now Apples hardware is quite competitive for its specifications. It would only lose the low cost conscious purchasers, but would gain from the OEM revenue for Leopard.</p>
<p>Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have long agreed that it makes no sense for Apple to license OS X to other computer makers so long as so much of their revenue depends on Mac hardware sales.  But, look at that pie chart you have there and then look at it from 5 years ago.

Mac hardware sales produce way less of their revenues that 5 years ago - the iPod took care of that.  This trend will continue as they start selling iPhones (presuming that line does well.)

And, the less they depend on physical Macs to bring in revenue, the easier it would be to license OS X to other computer makers now.  Now, will MacOS X run well on some hand made box someone assembled in their garage?  I doubt it. And device drivers would be a problem.  Currently, OS X depends on EFI which I don&#039;t believe any current PCs use... so, someone like Dell would have to make machines specifically for OS X - it wouldn&#039;t be a buy OS X at the store and install it on your current machine.

Still, while unlikely in the near future, it remains a possibility as Apple grows into new areas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have long agreed that it makes no sense for Apple to license OS X to other computer makers so long as so much of their revenue depends on Mac hardware sales.  But, look at that pie chart you have there and then look at it from 5 years ago.</p>
<p>Mac hardware sales produce way less of their revenues that 5 years ago &#8211; the iPod took care of that.  This trend will continue as they start selling iPhones (presuming that line does well.)</p>
<p>And, the less they depend on physical Macs to bring in revenue, the easier it would be to license OS X to other computer makers now.  Now, will MacOS X run well on some hand made box someone assembled in their garage?  I doubt it. And device drivers would be a problem.  Currently, OS X depends on EFI which I don&#8217;t believe any current PCs use&#8230; so, someone like Dell would have to make machines specifically for OS X &#8211; it wouldn&#8217;t be a buy OS X at the store and install it on your current machine.</p>
<p>Still, while unlikely in the near future, it remains a possibility as Apple grows into new areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Dempsey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Dempsey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but is Apple not the 3rd largest computer maker behind Dell and Gateway? I fail to see how this is a problem and why they should license the OS. I think people confuse the OS marketshare with the hardware marketshare. Apple does pretty darn good in hardware sales, and the software is a sales tool for the hardware.

I for one am perfectly happy if things stay just the way they are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but is Apple not the 3rd largest computer maker behind Dell and Gateway? I fail to see how this is a problem and why they should license the OS. I think people confuse the OS marketshare with the hardware marketshare. Apple does pretty darn good in hardware sales, and the software is a sales tool for the hardware.</p>
<p>I for one am perfectly happy if things stay just the way they are.</p>
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		<title>By: mcloki</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mcloki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why wouldn&#039;t Apple just become their own OEM? Make the motherboards and sell them to The &quot;White&quot; market PC houses. Apple could build a whole ecosystem of motherboards, cases and peripherals. They could own it all, Why license. Apple&#039;s sales problems are functional. They are logistical. ie. I can&#039;t get the one that I want right away. and I can&#039;t get what I want, the way I want it. Apple sells computers like hamburgers in a fancy restaurant. you order it, wait a while and it comes to your table. Unfortunately most people want to buy computers like they buy hamburgers at Burger King. Walk in, Hold the pickles, hold the lettuce, 30 seconds later, here it is, and on your way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t Apple just become their own OEM? Make the motherboards and sell them to The &#8220;White&#8221; market PC houses. Apple could build a whole ecosystem of motherboards, cases and peripherals. They could own it all, Why license. Apple&#8217;s sales problems are functional. They are logistical. ie. I can&#8217;t get the one that I want right away. and I can&#8217;t get what I want, the way I want it. Apple sells computers like hamburgers in a fancy restaurant. you order it, wait a while and it comes to your table. Unfortunately most people want to buy computers like they buy hamburgers at Burger King. Walk in, Hold the pickles, hold the lettuce, 30 seconds later, here it is, and on your way.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-is-not-going-to-license-the-mac-os-to-other-hardware-makers/#comment-317684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree completely. Apple is a hardware company, has always been a hardware company, and shows no desire whatsoever to be anything but a hardware company. Apple&#039;s real competitors are Sony, Dell, HP, etc., not Microsoft. Why is this so hard to understand?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely. Apple is a hardware company, has always been a hardware company, and shows no desire whatsoever to be anything but a hardware company. Apple&#8217;s real competitors are Sony, Dell, HP, etc., not Microsoft. Why is this so hard to understand?</p>
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