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		<title>By: Allen King</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/alternatives-to-apple-spaces/#comment-332095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allen King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The Space work space management available under Snow Leopard does not support the kind of multi tasking I&#039;m used to very well.  I hope the following description will be used to improve the product.  Otherwise, I love the MAC, after having used Apple, then NeXT, then Microsoft and now OSX.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    Multi-Tasking Style
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have developed a natural style, using one work space screen for each of the jobs I must do.  I currently have screens for 1) general, 2) email, 3) managing digital camera pictures, 4) personal diary, 5) a Fusion XP compatibility machine, 6) a paper I&#039;m researching, 7) an XCode program, 8) computer root management tasks.  This is quite natural way to do multi-tasking this way.  E.g.: I am writing a program in one screen, and in working on it, an idea pops into my mind, on say the paper I am writing.  (I think minds work that way -- good ideas seem to come out of left field when working on something else, and acting on them is important.)  I&#039;d like to do one click to get to the &quot;paper I&#039;m writing&quot; screen.  There I would have an editor window with the requisite files already open.  A second click to select the window, and 20 keys to record the idea, and I click back current on the programming window.  All this is done in literally 20 seconds, with low overhead.  This kind of thing happens every minute or two the way I multi task. It&#039;s happened 10 times as I write this.  I am used to it -- Gnome supports this well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The reason this is efficient is that each work space is like a different desk, each with its papers layed out ready for work in the last context encountered when the ball goes in that court.  The overhead of bringing up the requisite application and finding the right document is drastically reduced.  I don&#039;t loose the new idea as I&#039;m getting to the place to process it, and most of the previous ideas I had stay in my short term memory.  Changing contexts is light weight and doesn&#039;t require much thought.  I want this efficiency for the MAC, hopefully in 10.7.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    Spaces in Snow Leopard
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ignoring the fact that it&#039;s missing a few checkoff kind of features, the major problem with Snow Leopard&#039;s spaces IMHO is that it switches work spaces on it&#039;s own, gratuitously.  Specifically when I need to use a different app in the same work space, Spaces often moves me out my current space to a different space / task context.  E.g. I&#039;m editing my paper, and need Wikipedia, so I click on Safari.  Spaces seems to think &quot;well, since there&#039;s no Safari in this space, I&#039;ll switch him to this other space where it is open&quot;. It&#039;s an intrusion in my thought process, and forces a needless step of remembering what space I was in and relocating myself back there.  My wife often hears me exclaim &quot;I hate spaces&quot; at such times.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although this often happens if that app isn&#039;t already open in the current space, it sometime happens just changing buffers (e.g. Aquaemacs ^x^b 2).  I have learned ways to switch apps to minimize this, but it requires different actions for each app. E.g. Finder: right click dock &#124; New Finder Window; Terminal and AquaEmacs: left click dock &#124; apple-n; Safari: ... .  And this method always adds an extra window even when not required.  I shouldn&#039;t have to keep track of which apps are open in each space.  My take is some API needs to be restructured!  E.g.: It should be easy and required for an app to list the space name when it lists its open windows.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;    Other Missing Features:
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;per-space string name (e.g. &lt;12 chars) displayed on
space switching operation from the menu bar, also from expose
the space name on the desktop itself (e.g. in the lower left)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;per-space color/wallpaper, important for subliminal confirmation
e.g. the &quot;email&quot; space is red.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am using HyperSpaces 1.0.5 for these features, but is not very
integrated with Spaces. E.g. It has its own separate menues. S&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Space work space management available under Snow Leopard does not support the kind of multi tasking I&#8217;m used to very well.  I hope the following description will be used to improve the product.  Otherwise, I love the MAC, after having used Apple, then NeXT, then Microsoft and now OSX.</p>
<pre><code>    Multi-Tasking Style
</code></pre>
<p>I have developed a natural style, using one work space screen for each of the jobs I must do.  I currently have screens for 1) general, 2) email, 3) managing digital camera pictures, 4) personal diary, 5) a Fusion XP compatibility machine, 6) a paper I&#8217;m researching, 7) an XCode program, 8) computer root management tasks.  This is quite natural way to do multi-tasking this way.  E.g.: I am writing a program in one screen, and in working on it, an idea pops into my mind, on say the paper I am writing.  (I think minds work that way &#8212; good ideas seem to come out of left field when working on something else, and acting on them is important.)  I&#8217;d like to do one click to get to the &#8220;paper I&#8217;m writing&#8221; screen.  There I would have an editor window with the requisite files already open.  A second click to select the window, and 20 keys to record the idea, and I click back current on the programming window.  All this is done in literally 20 seconds, with low overhead.  This kind of thing happens every minute or two the way I multi task. It&#8217;s happened 10 times as I write this.  I am used to it &#8212; Gnome supports this well.</p>
<p>The reason this is efficient is that each work space is like a different desk, each with its papers layed out ready for work in the last context encountered when the ball goes in that court.  The overhead of bringing up the requisite application and finding the right document is drastically reduced.  I don&#8217;t loose the new idea as I&#8217;m getting to the place to process it, and most of the previous ideas I had stay in my short term memory.  Changing contexts is light weight and doesn&#8217;t require much thought.  I want this efficiency for the MAC, hopefully in 10.7.</p>
<pre><code>    Spaces in Snow Leopard
</code></pre>
<p>Ignoring the fact that it&#8217;s missing a few checkoff kind of features, the major problem with Snow Leopard&#8217;s spaces IMHO is that it switches work spaces on it&#8217;s own, gratuitously.  Specifically when I need to use a different app in the same work space, Spaces often moves me out my current space to a different space / task context.  E.g. I&#8217;m editing my paper, and need Wikipedia, so I click on Safari.  Spaces seems to think &#8220;well, since there&#8217;s no Safari in this space, I&#8217;ll switch him to this other space where it is open&#8221;. It&#8217;s an intrusion in my thought process, and forces a needless step of remembering what space I was in and relocating myself back there.  My wife often hears me exclaim &#8220;I hate spaces&#8221; at such times.</p>
<p>Although this often happens if that app isn&#8217;t already open in the current space, it sometime happens just changing buffers (e.g. Aquaemacs ^x^b 2).  I have learned ways to switch apps to minimize this, but it requires different actions for each app. E.g. Finder: right click dock | New Finder Window; Terminal and AquaEmacs: left click dock | apple-n; Safari: &#8230; .  And this method always adds an extra window even when not required.  I shouldn&#8217;t have to keep track of which apps are open in each space.  My take is some API needs to be restructured!  E.g.: It should be easy and required for an app to list the space name when it lists its open windows.</p>
<pre><code>    Other Missing Features:
</code></pre>
<ul>
<li>
<p>per-space string name (e.g. &lt;12 chars) displayed on<br />
space switching operation from the menu bar, also from expose<br />
the space name on the desktop itself (e.g. in the lower left)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>per-space color/wallpaper, important for subliminal confirmation<br />
e.g. the &#8220;email&#8221; space is red.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>I am using HyperSpaces 1.0.5 for these features, but is not very<br />
integrated with Spaces. E.g. It has its own separate menues. S</p>
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		<title>By: roark</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/alternatives-to-apple-spaces/#comment-332094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[roark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kevin

I was looking for the exact same thing and cam across the ability to keep an application running in every space:
http://www.leopardtricks.com/leopard/keep-an-app-on-all-spaces

It may not satisfy your exact needs but could help. For me I just run a program I use often &quot;textmate&quot; in every space. Then I setup all my other apps in my two side monitors and use spaces to switch between them all. It&#039;s not perfect but maybe it&#039;ll help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kevin</p>
<p>I was looking for the exact same thing and cam across the ability to keep an application running in every space:<br />
<a href="http://www.leopardtricks.com/leopard/keep-an-app-on-all-spaces" rel="nofollow">http://www.leopardtricks.com/leopard/keep-an-app-on-all-spaces</a></p>
<p>It may not satisfy your exact needs but could help. For me I just run a program I use often &#8220;textmate&#8221; in every space. Then I setup all my other apps in my two side monitors and use spaces to switch between them all. It&#8217;s not perfect but maybe it&#8217;ll help.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/alternatives-to-apple-spaces/#comment-332093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This looks like a good place to post this...
I&#039;d like to see a desktop divider option, sort of like Acer Gridvista, which divides the desktop into up to 3 separate (always viewable) work spaces.
What is this good for? Well, I would like to be able to have app windows not invade other app window spaces... like for instance: I want to place things like buddy lists, my EyeTV screen and a calendar all on the right side of my screen... but if I open Photoshop (or any other app) It will go on top of everything.  I wish that when big apps open, they could be refrained to a specific area of the screen, do I make sense?... I hope I do because I think this would be a killer option to add to any of these desktop management tools. :)
Thanks!

Dave]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like a good place to post this&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;d like to see a desktop divider option, sort of like Acer Gridvista, which divides the desktop into up to 3 separate (always viewable) work spaces.<br />
What is this good for? Well, I would like to be able to have app windows not invade other app window spaces&#8230; like for instance: I want to place things like buddy lists, my EyeTV screen and a calendar all on the right side of my screen&#8230; but if I open Photoshop (or any other app) It will go on top of everything.  I wish that when big apps open, they could be refrained to a specific area of the screen, do I make sense?&#8230; I hope I do because I think this would be a killer option to add to any of these desktop management tools. :)<br />
Thanks!</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Make Spaces Hyper &#124; The Apple Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/alternatives-to-apple-spaces/#comment-332092</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Make Spaces Hyper &#124; The Apple Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] recently wrote about alternatives to Apple&#8217;s Spaces virtual desktop offering that comes included with Leopard. There, I confessed that I&#8217;ve come [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently wrote about alternatives to Apple&#8217;s Spaces virtual desktop offering that comes included with Leopard. There, I confessed that I&#8217;ve come [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/alternatives-to-apple-spaces/#comment-332091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree that Desktop Manager is dead.  I&#039;m running it right now, with eight desktops, on a MBP with 10.5.5.  I&#039;ve not had a problem with it at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that Desktop Manager is dead.  I&#8217;m running it right now, with eight desktops, on a MBP with 10.5.5.  I&#8217;ve not had a problem with it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: louis</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/alternatives-to-apple-spaces/#comment-332087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[louis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hyperspaces looks awesome.

I&#039;d actually pay for that functionality. I don&#039;t generally make use of spaces because of what&#039;s missing.

Looking forward to the public beta.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyperspaces looks awesome.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d actually pay for that functionality. I don&#8217;t generally make use of spaces because of what&#8217;s missing.</p>
<p>Looking forward to the public beta.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/alternatives-to-apple-spaces/#comment-332090</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hyperspaces sounds interesting.  I would love to see the desktop effects that have been developed in Linux ported over to OS X.  Some of it is just eye candy, but why not OS X is the best desktop environment, why not ensure that it looks the best too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyperspaces sounds interesting.  I would love to see the desktop effects that have been developed in Linux ported over to OS X.  Some of it is just eye candy, but why not OS X is the best desktop environment, why not ensure that it looks the best too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jono</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/alternatives-to-apple-spaces/#comment-332086</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jono]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yea, I&#039;m looking forward to giving this a try. It will be handy to have different wallpapers for specific spaces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, I&#8217;m looking forward to giving this a try. It will be handy to have different wallpapers for specific spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/alternatives-to-apple-spaces/#comment-332089</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only feature I really want/desire/need is the ability to run spaces on one monitor and leave the others fixed.

Is this technically impossible?  I&#039;ve seem many other people inquire about this feature, so it&#039;s not like there isn&#039;t demand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only feature I really want/desire/need is the ability to run spaces on one monitor and leave the others fixed.</p>
<p>Is this technically impossible?  I&#8217;ve seem many other people inquire about this feature, so it&#8217;s not like there isn&#8217;t demand.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbes Doo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/apple/alternatives-to-apple-spaces/#comment-332088</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hobbes Doo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t wait to try Hyperspaces. I used and loved Virtue Desktop. I&#039;m sure the new project will be awesome too. One feature I believe none of the products support is different Docks per desktop. Not sure how feasible that is to implement, but it would surely be a great feature for me. As you can divide your desktops based on functionality, e.g. development, office, etc., you can have different Docks in each one, representing the most used applications in that environment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t wait to try Hyperspaces. I used and loved Virtue Desktop. I&#8217;m sure the new project will be awesome too. One feature I believe none of the products support is different Docks per desktop. Not sure how feasible that is to implement, but it would surely be a great feature for me. As you can divide your desktops based on functionality, e.g. development, office, etc., you can have different Docks in each one, representing the most used applications in that environment.</p>
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