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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robbie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are &quot;Massive Open Online Courses &quot;,not Massively]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are &#8220;Massive Open Online Courses &#8220;,not Massively</p>
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		<title>By: slidespeech</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[slidespeech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Education has always involved entertainment. The problem is the shortening of attention spans:
http://youtu.be/A3oIiH7BLmg?t=6m0s

As Salman Khan admits in his book One World Schoolhouse, he was actually lucky that YouTube initially had a 10-minute limit on the length of the videos he posted. The shorter, the better! 

YouTube has great stats on audience retention, by the way. 

Check out the results for one of your own videos:
http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=1715160

Look at how long people spend on Wikipedia, on average:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wikipedia.org
then click Time on Site:
Yesterday	5:06]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education has always involved entertainment. The problem is the shortening of attention spans:<br />
<span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='604' height='370' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/A3oIiH7BLmg?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
<p>As Salman Khan admits in his book One World Schoolhouse, he was actually lucky that YouTube initially had a 10-minute limit on the length of the videos he posted. The shorter, the better! </p>
<p>YouTube has great stats on audience retention, by the way. </p>
<p>Check out the results for one of your own videos:<br />
<a href="http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#038;answer=1715160" rel="nofollow">http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#038;answer=1715160</a></p>
<p>Look at how long people spend on Wikipedia, on average:<br />
<a href="http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wikipedia.org</a><br />
then click Time on Site:<br />
Yesterday	5:06</p>
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		<title>By: John Duhring</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Duhring]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slidespeech- I&#039;m going through the first lessons of Dan Ariely&#039;s, Irrational Behavior class on Coursera and am struck by pages of forum posts in which students introduce themselves.  It is fascinating where they all come from and what led to them to the class.  Considering that most will drop, I wonder if education is becoming a form of entertainment?  In that realm, there this undeniable evidence that most YouTube videos are not seen through to their completion, nor are most books read cover to cover!

Clearly, MOOCs provide more audience tracking than was ever possible in traditional media.  The value of user data might provide commercial stability as they hone in on what works best for students, faculty and university partners.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slidespeech- I&#8217;m going through the first lessons of Dan Ariely&#8217;s, Irrational Behavior class on Coursera and am struck by pages of forum posts in which students introduce themselves.  It is fascinating where they all come from and what led to them to the class.  Considering that most will drop, I wonder if education is becoming a form of entertainment?  In that realm, there this undeniable evidence that most YouTube videos are not seen through to their completion, nor are most books read cover to cover!</p>
<p>Clearly, MOOCs provide more audience tracking than was ever possible in traditional media.  The value of user data might provide commercial stability as they hone in on what works best for students, faculty and university partners.</p>
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		<title>By: slidespeech</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[slidespeech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 05:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is possible to reach 10&#039;s of thousands of learners and still have a 20% completion rate.

Here is a summary of the MOOC completion rates research:
http://www.katyjordan.com/MOOCproject.html

and the report on the MOOC with the highest rate:
Functional Programming Principles in Scala: Impressions and Statistics
http://docs.scala-lang.org/news/functional-programming-principles-in-scala-impressions-and-statistics.html

&quot;We had more than 50,000 registered students— an unfathomably large number in the context of traditional teaching. While large, that number doesn’t tell the whole story; as is typical for a MOOC, a statistical majority of those students participate no further beyond watching a couple of videos to find out what the course is about. Of the 50,000, about 21,000 students participated in the interactive in-video quizzes that are part of the lectures, and a remarkable 18,000 unique students attempted at least one programming assignment. A whopping 9,593 students successfully completed the course and earned a certificate of completion— that’s an incredible 20% of students, which blows the average 10% rate of completion for MOOCs out of the water.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to reach 10&#8242;s of thousands of learners and still have a 20% completion rate.</p>
<p>Here is a summary of the MOOC completion rates research:<br />
<a href="http://www.katyjordan.com/MOOCproject.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.katyjordan.com/MOOCproject.html</a></p>
<p>and the report on the MOOC with the highest rate:<br />
Functional Programming Principles in Scala: Impressions and Statistics<br />
<a href="http://docs.scala-lang.org/news/functional-programming-principles-in-scala-impressions-and-statistics.html" rel="nofollow">http://docs.scala-lang.org/news/functional-programming-principles-in-scala-impressions-and-statistics.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;We had more than 50,000 registered students— an unfathomably large number in the context of traditional teaching. While large, that number doesn’t tell the whole story; as is typical for a MOOC, a statistical majority of those students participate no further beyond watching a couple of videos to find out what the course is about. Of the 50,000, about 21,000 students participated in the interactive in-video quizzes that are part of the lectures, and a remarkable 18,000 unique students attempted at least one programming assignment. A whopping 9,593 students successfully completed the course and earned a certificate of completion— that’s an incredible 20% of students, which blows the average 10% rate of completion for MOOCs out of the water.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Duhring</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Duhring]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Armando-  You touch every bare nerve: a new kind of student, why can&#039;t every teacher use the technology to deliver their course in their own way, what about those kids without reliable internet connections, and, of course, pedagogy (what!?).  Someone should make a list.

Anyway, to me, the word &quot;university&quot; has changed. It used to mean a place you could go in which the entire universe of knowledge and potential was available to you.  Now we have direct access to that universe and yet we still need we connecting points, guidance and shared experience. How can knowledge, practical know-how, and collective intelligence be applied for each student, at their point of need?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armando-  You touch every bare nerve: a new kind of student, why can&#8217;t every teacher use the technology to deliver their course in their own way, what about those kids without reliable internet connections, and, of course, pedagogy (what!?).  Someone should make a list.</p>
<p>Anyway, to me, the word &#8220;university&#8221; has changed. It used to mean a place you could go in which the entire universe of knowledge and potential was available to you.  Now we have direct access to that universe and yet we still need we connecting points, guidance and shared experience. How can knowledge, practical know-how, and collective intelligence be applied for each student, at their point of need?</p>
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		<title>By: Armando Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Armando Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a great opportunity here, but I think we should move with more caution.

(And I&#039;m hardly anti-MOOC: I&#039;m a computer science professor, in charge of online education at Berkeley, instructor of Berkeley&#039;s first MOOC ever which has been offered on Coursera and EdX, and I&#039;m on EdX&#039;s technical advisory board and helping to run conferences and workshops on the role of MOOCs and online education generally.)

First, there is no evidence that MOOCs work particularly well *for college students.*  Most enrollees in our MOOCs, and those of several of our colleagues, are working professionals with several years of industry experience under their belts. They are arguably better at personal time management than first-year undergrads.  They approach the course, in many cases, with more background; for example, our Software-as-a-Service course uses Rails, and although that framework is new to most people, the practice of programming is not.

Second, I&#039;m a bit uneasy with the current Udacity pilot at SJSU because the college has apparently delegated the entire course delivery experience to Udacity - assessment, TA support (phone/web), and so on - with local instructors participating only in the design of the course, not its administration.  That&#039;s a small step away from simply hiring those instructors as one-time contractors for course design, cutting out SJSU altogether.  (And before you object that that might be the right thing to do, bear in mind all I&#039;m saying is no one knows yet if that&#039;s a good idea.)

The enrollment issues at community colleges (and to a lesser extent Cal States) are real, but they are not uniformly distributed.  Those who appear to be most affected are low-income students, often students of color.  Distressingly, these are the students most likely to lack the computer and broadband facilities needed to avail themselves of the potential benefits of MOOCs. (The enrollment issues for gateway courses are barely an issue at the UC&#039;s, whose time-to-graduation is a shade over 4 years systemwide.)

There is a great deal of pedagogy research to be done on MOOCs - at Berkeley our approach is to blend the MOOC with in-classroom experience, so the rest of the world gets the MOOC but the Berkeley students get a combination of MOOC and live instruction.  We&#039;re hoping to use this approach as the basis for doing serious research on what MOOCs can and cannot accomplish, whether standalone or in conjunction with &quot;on-the-ground&quot; instructors.  

But until some of that research is done, I&#039;m nervous that legislation is racing ahead of pedagogy, especially in an area where there is undoubtedly lots of money to be made - and that&#039;s fine, but I just don&#039;t want it to be made at the expense of the student experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a great opportunity here, but I think we should move with more caution.</p>
<p>(And I&#8217;m hardly anti-MOOC: I&#8217;m a computer science professor, in charge of online education at Berkeley, instructor of Berkeley&#8217;s first MOOC ever which has been offered on Coursera and EdX, and I&#8217;m on EdX&#8217;s technical advisory board and helping to run conferences and workshops on the role of MOOCs and online education generally.)</p>
<p>First, there is no evidence that MOOCs work particularly well *for college students.*  Most enrollees in our MOOCs, and those of several of our colleagues, are working professionals with several years of industry experience under their belts. They are arguably better at personal time management than first-year undergrads.  They approach the course, in many cases, with more background; for example, our Software-as-a-Service course uses Rails, and although that framework is new to most people, the practice of programming is not.</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m a bit uneasy with the current Udacity pilot at SJSU because the college has apparently delegated the entire course delivery experience to Udacity &#8211; assessment, TA support (phone/web), and so on &#8211; with local instructors participating only in the design of the course, not its administration.  That&#8217;s a small step away from simply hiring those instructors as one-time contractors for course design, cutting out SJSU altogether.  (And before you object that that might be the right thing to do, bear in mind all I&#8217;m saying is no one knows yet if that&#8217;s a good idea.)</p>
<p>The enrollment issues at community colleges (and to a lesser extent Cal States) are real, but they are not uniformly distributed.  Those who appear to be most affected are low-income students, often students of color.  Distressingly, these are the students most likely to lack the computer and broadband facilities needed to avail themselves of the potential benefits of MOOCs. (The enrollment issues for gateway courses are barely an issue at the UC&#8217;s, whose time-to-graduation is a shade over 4 years systemwide.)</p>
<p>There is a great deal of pedagogy research to be done on MOOCs &#8211; at Berkeley our approach is to blend the MOOC with in-classroom experience, so the rest of the world gets the MOOC but the Berkeley students get a combination of MOOC and live instruction.  We&#8217;re hoping to use this approach as the basis for doing serious research on what MOOCs can and cannot accomplish, whether standalone or in conjunction with &#8220;on-the-ground&#8221; instructors.  </p>
<p>But until some of that research is done, I&#8217;m nervous that legislation is racing ahead of pedagogy, especially in an area where there is undoubtedly lots of money to be made &#8211; and that&#8217;s fine, but I just don&#8217;t want it to be made at the expense of the student experience.</p>
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		<title>By: barrager</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[barrager]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I predict that a whole new educational infrastructure will develop around these courses.  It will be interesting which &quot;schools&quot; give credit for which courses.  Many walls will surely drop.

Great post.  Keep them coming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict that a whole new educational infrastructure will develop around these courses.  It will be interesting which &#8220;schools&#8221; give credit for which courses.  Many walls will surely drop.</p>
<p>Great post.  Keep them coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Esres</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Esres]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m skeptical that popular teachers are necessarily effective teachers. You can greatly enjoy a presentation, yet two days later retain almost nothing of its content. If you accept that the role of a teacher is to change the way that people think, then a good presentation is just the start of that; left alone, students will tend to return to their old ways of thinking and it takes a pretty ruthless teacher to provide the steady pressure needed to create permanent changes in thought processes. It&#039;s not clear to me that this sort of pressure can be provided through online courses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m skeptical that popular teachers are necessarily effective teachers. You can greatly enjoy a presentation, yet two days later retain almost nothing of its content. If you accept that the role of a teacher is to change the way that people think, then a good presentation is just the start of that; left alone, students will tend to return to their old ways of thinking and it takes a pretty ruthless teacher to provide the steady pressure needed to create permanent changes in thought processes. It&#8217;s not clear to me that this sort of pressure can be provided through online courses.</p>
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		<title>By: Xeno Muller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xeno Muller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello John,
I love reading your article.
The ability to use the internet and coach worldwide is incredible for me.  As you know I have won Olympic gold and silver in singel scull rowing.  Because of my geographic location, Southern California, which is no hot bed for rowing, I gravitated to coaching online and sharing slow motion stroke analysis with athletes worldwide.  
I am now expanding to countries that do not have any national team coaches.  I expect that soon I will get endorsed by the international rowing federation.
The ability to provide high quality information so easily is a complete coaching revolution.
Thank you for information!
Cheers,
Xeno
www.xenocoach.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello John,<br />
I love reading your article.<br />
The ability to use the internet and coach worldwide is incredible for me.  As you know I have won Olympic gold and silver in singel scull rowing.  Because of my geographic location, Southern California, which is no hot bed for rowing, I gravitated to coaching online and sharing slow motion stroke analysis with athletes worldwide.<br />
I am now expanding to countries that do not have any national team coaches.  I expect that soon I will get endorsed by the international rowing federation.<br />
The ability to provide high quality information so easily is a complete coaching revolution.<br />
Thank you for information!<br />
Cheers,<br />
Xeno<br />
<a href="http://www.xenocoach.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.xenocoach.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Duhring</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Duhring]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Barbara.  Traditional media has used sales figures to track value via &quot;best-seller&quot; lists, etc.  Only recently are we seeing that most people who buy books don&#039;t finish them either!  Maybe MOOCs are simply seeing deeper into consumer behaviors than was possible before?  Lots to stir in this pot!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Barbara.  Traditional media has used sales figures to track value via &#8220;best-seller&#8221; lists, etc.  Only recently are we seeing that most people who buy books don&#8217;t finish them either!  Maybe MOOCs are simply seeing deeper into consumer behaviors than was possible before?  Lots to stir in this pot!</p>
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