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	<title>Comments on: 5 potentially disruptive, but &#8220;out there,&#8221; energy innovations</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Mazz</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/03/01/5-potentially-disruptive-but-out-there-energy-innovations/#comment-1337642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Mazz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 18:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After I lost a few bucks when A123 Systems, the MIT-related battery company  bit the shed, I&#039;m leery of any new start-up that has a MIT connection....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I lost a few bucks when A123 Systems, the MIT-related battery company  bit the shed, I&#8217;m leery of any new start-up that has a MIT connection&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ecohustler</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/03/01/5-potentially-disruptive-but-out-there-energy-innovations/#comment-1317452</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ecohustler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hot! Now all we need to do is change the ownership models - queue Trillion:

http://www.trillionfund.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hot! Now all we need to do is change the ownership models &#8211; queue Trillion:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.trillionfund.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.trillionfund.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: larry-shultz-33</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/03/01/5-potentially-disruptive-but-out-there-energy-innovations/#comment-1317373</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 04:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two other Transatomic co-founders are Leslie Dewan and Mark Massie who are both PhD students at MIT’s nuclear engineering department. Transatomic also counts advisors Todd Allen, Director for the Advanced Test Reactor National Scientific User Facility at Idaho National Laboratory, Michael Corradini, president of the American Nuclear society, and Regis Matzie, who was the former CTO for Westinghouse.


http://universaloilrecovery.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two other Transatomic co-founders are Leslie Dewan and Mark Massie who are both PhD students at MIT’s nuclear engineering department. Transatomic also counts advisors Todd Allen, Director for the Advanced Test Reactor National Scientific User Facility at Idaho National Laboratory, Michael Corradini, president of the American Nuclear society, and Regis Matzie, who was the former CTO for Westinghouse.</p>
<p><a href="http://universaloilrecovery.com/" rel="nofollow">http://universaloilrecovery.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: larry-shultz-33</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[larry-shultz-33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 04:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two other Transatomic co-founders are Leslie Dewan and Mark Massie who are both PhD students at MIT’s nuclear engineering department. Transatomic also counts advisors Todd Allen, Director for the Advanced Test Reactor National Scientific User Facility at Idaho National Laboratory, Michael Corradini, president of the American Nuclear society, and Regis Matzie, who was the former CTO for Westinghouse. Kleiner Perkins’ David Wells gave the company the feedback that while the company and executives are impressive, the project is “out of the range of the VC funding model.

http://universaloilrecovery.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two other Transatomic co-founders are Leslie Dewan and Mark Massie who are both PhD students at MIT’s nuclear engineering department. Transatomic also counts advisors Todd Allen, Director for the Advanced Test Reactor National Scientific User Facility at Idaho National Laboratory, Michael Corradini, president of the American Nuclear society, and Regis Matzie, who was the former CTO for Westinghouse. Kleiner Perkins’ David Wells gave the company the feedback that while the company and executives are impressive, the project is “out of the range of the VC funding model.</p>
<p><a href="http://universaloilrecovery.com/" rel="nofollow">http://universaloilrecovery.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: nubwaxer</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/03/01/5-potentially-disruptive-but-out-there-energy-innovations/#comment-1317333</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3). The waste annihilating molten salt nuclear reactor
the one that should have been developed in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3). The waste annihilating molten salt nuclear reactor<br />
the one that should have been developed in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: WhatTheFlux</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/03/01/5-potentially-disruptive-but-out-there-energy-innovations/#comment-1317250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhatTheFlux]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The corrosion problems have largely been solved by advances in metallurgy and chemistry in the years since the program was shut down. 

And in any case, when the program was shut down, the problem was exaggerated by Milton Shaw, the guy behind wrote the report. Shaw was a solid fuel light-water reactor fan and a protege of Rickover.

http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-milton-shaw-blew-nuclear-safety.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The corrosion problems have largely been solved by advances in metallurgy and chemistry in the years since the program was shut down. </p>
<p>And in any case, when the program was shut down, the problem was exaggerated by Milton Shaw, the guy behind wrote the report. Shaw was a solid fuel light-water reactor fan and a protege of Rickover.</p>
<p><a href="http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-milton-shaw-blew-nuclear-safety.html" rel="nofollow">http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-milton-shaw-blew-nuclear-safety.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: WhatTheFlux</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhatTheFlux]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nuclear power isn&#039;t the problem. 

The problem is that we&#039;ve been using the wrong reactors. If the reactors at Fukushima, Chernobyl, and Three Mile Island had been Molten Salt Reactors (MSRs) nothing would have happened.

• Molten salt reactor technology was developed at Oak Ridge National Labs in the 1960s. Although the test reactor worked flawlessly, the project was shelved, a victim of political shenanigans in the Nixon Administration. But MSRs have been gathering a lot of new attention since the events in Japan.

• An MSR is a completely different kind of reactor, as different as an electric motor from a gasoline engine. It can&#039;t melt down, and it automatically adjusts its power output to meet changing workload demands. It requires no active cooling system and no external power source during an emergency, so it can be installed literally anywhere on earth, even an underground vault. A tsunami or tornado would roll over it, like a truck over a manhole cover. 

• MSRs use liquid fuel - nuclear material dissolved in molten salt. While modern solid-fuel reactors are far safer than the ones at Fukushima, a meltdown is still possible, with the steam ejection of radioactive material. MSRs don’t use water, and always operate at ambient (atmospheric) pressure. A meltdown would be completely impossible in an MSR, even if someone tried to induce one. 

• An MSR could deliver 750ºC heat for industrial processes, or spin a high-temperature gas turbine to generate power. If disaster strikes and an MSR springs a leak, the spill cools to an inert lump of rock, chemically locking the atomic material inside. Radioactive particles would not spread downwind or downstream, and all the material could be recovered and used again. A spill would be measured in square meters, not square kilometers. 

• MSRs will run on Thorium, a mildly radioactive material more common than tin and found all over the world. America has already mined enough Thorium to power the entire country for 400 years. It’s found by the ton in the tailings of our abandoned Rare Earth Element mines. 

• MSRs will be highly resistant to proliferation. When 232-Thorium is converted to 233-Uranium inside the reactor, it is virtually impossible to isolate the material in its pure form for use in a nuclear weapon. MSRs will be the best reactors for making energy and the worst reactors for making bombs. 

• An MSR&#039;s liquid fuel can be continuously cleaned of the contaminants that spoil solid fuel, while the reactor is operating at full power. This unique feature enables MSRs to consume fuel so thoroughly that they will be able to use the spent fuel from conventional reactors. MSRs will enable us to greatly reduce our stockpiles of nuclear waste, while producing a minuscule amount of waste themselves. 

• A 1-gigawatt MSR, big enough to power a city of one million, will run on one ton of Thorium per year, or about 2 teaspoons per hour. The long-term waste will be the size of a basketball, and virtually harmless in just 500 years. 

A national rollout of Molten Salt Reactors would create thousands of good jobs in every region of America, by launching a new paradigm of safe, cheap, and abundant carbon-free energy. A national Thorium infrastructure was visualized by the Kennedy administration as far back as 1962. Sadly, the molten salt program at Oak Ridge was shut down ten years later, even though the test reactor ran without a hitch for nearly 20,000 hours. 

While a lot of useful R&amp;D has been performed since then, the MSR is still on the drawing board. But with sufficient R&amp;D funding (probably less than $2 billion), five years to commercialization is entirely realistic, and another five years for a national rollout is eminently feasible. Some technical issues still need to be addressed, but nothing insurmountable. 

Remember, we geared up overnight to build thousands of Liberty ships, tanks, and bombers (not to mention the Manhattan Project) and we did it all without the aid of a single computer or cell phone. There&#039;s no reason to think we can’t do it again, because this isn’t rocket science, it’s just a kettle of chemicals with high-temperature, low-pressure plumbing. 

In the fall of 2010, a Chinese delegation toured Oak Ridge. Under a collaboration agreement between the U.S. DoE and the Chinese Academy of Science, several subsequent meetings ensued in which we shared our molten salt technology. 

In theory, this sounds hopeful for the future of MSR, and the expansion of carbon-free energy for the entire planet. But realize that if we drop the ball again, the Chinese won’t. And they will patent every advance they make.

The MSR languished on America’s drawing boards for decades, but now it’s on China’s drawing boards as well. And they mean business. If we don&#039;t follow through this time, we will soon buying our own invention from China. 

If this isn’t a Sputnik Moment, then I don’t know what is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear power isn&#8217;t the problem. </p>
<p>The problem is that we&#8217;ve been using the wrong reactors. If the reactors at Fukushima, Chernobyl, and Three Mile Island had been Molten Salt Reactors (MSRs) nothing would have happened.</p>
<p>• Molten salt reactor technology was developed at Oak Ridge National Labs in the 1960s. Although the test reactor worked flawlessly, the project was shelved, a victim of political shenanigans in the Nixon Administration. But MSRs have been gathering a lot of new attention since the events in Japan.</p>
<p>• An MSR is a completely different kind of reactor, as different as an electric motor from a gasoline engine. It can&#8217;t melt down, and it automatically adjusts its power output to meet changing workload demands. It requires no active cooling system and no external power source during an emergency, so it can be installed literally anywhere on earth, even an underground vault. A tsunami or tornado would roll over it, like a truck over a manhole cover. </p>
<p>• MSRs use liquid fuel &#8211; nuclear material dissolved in molten salt. While modern solid-fuel reactors are far safer than the ones at Fukushima, a meltdown is still possible, with the steam ejection of radioactive material. MSRs don’t use water, and always operate at ambient (atmospheric) pressure. A meltdown would be completely impossible in an MSR, even if someone tried to induce one. </p>
<p>• An MSR could deliver 750ºC heat for industrial processes, or spin a high-temperature gas turbine to generate power. If disaster strikes and an MSR springs a leak, the spill cools to an inert lump of rock, chemically locking the atomic material inside. Radioactive particles would not spread downwind or downstream, and all the material could be recovered and used again. A spill would be measured in square meters, not square kilometers. </p>
<p>• MSRs will run on Thorium, a mildly radioactive material more common than tin and found all over the world. America has already mined enough Thorium to power the entire country for 400 years. It’s found by the ton in the tailings of our abandoned Rare Earth Element mines. </p>
<p>• MSRs will be highly resistant to proliferation. When 232-Thorium is converted to 233-Uranium inside the reactor, it is virtually impossible to isolate the material in its pure form for use in a nuclear weapon. MSRs will be the best reactors for making energy and the worst reactors for making bombs. </p>
<p>• An MSR&#8217;s liquid fuel can be continuously cleaned of the contaminants that spoil solid fuel, while the reactor is operating at full power. This unique feature enables MSRs to consume fuel so thoroughly that they will be able to use the spent fuel from conventional reactors. MSRs will enable us to greatly reduce our stockpiles of nuclear waste, while producing a minuscule amount of waste themselves. </p>
<p>• A 1-gigawatt MSR, big enough to power a city of one million, will run on one ton of Thorium per year, or about 2 teaspoons per hour. The long-term waste will be the size of a basketball, and virtually harmless in just 500 years. </p>
<p>A national rollout of Molten Salt Reactors would create thousands of good jobs in every region of America, by launching a new paradigm of safe, cheap, and abundant carbon-free energy. A national Thorium infrastructure was visualized by the Kennedy administration as far back as 1962. Sadly, the molten salt program at Oak Ridge was shut down ten years later, even though the test reactor ran without a hitch for nearly 20,000 hours. </p>
<p>While a lot of useful R&amp;D has been performed since then, the MSR is still on the drawing board. But with sufficient R&amp;D funding (probably less than $2 billion), five years to commercialization is entirely realistic, and another five years for a national rollout is eminently feasible. Some technical issues still need to be addressed, but nothing insurmountable. </p>
<p>Remember, we geared up overnight to build thousands of Liberty ships, tanks, and bombers (not to mention the Manhattan Project) and we did it all without the aid of a single computer or cell phone. There&#8217;s no reason to think we can’t do it again, because this isn’t rocket science, it’s just a kettle of chemicals with high-temperature, low-pressure plumbing. </p>
<p>In the fall of 2010, a Chinese delegation toured Oak Ridge. Under a collaboration agreement between the U.S. DoE and the Chinese Academy of Science, several subsequent meetings ensued in which we shared our molten salt technology. </p>
<p>In theory, this sounds hopeful for the future of MSR, and the expansion of carbon-free energy for the entire planet. But realize that if we drop the ball again, the Chinese won’t. And they will patent every advance they make.</p>
<p>The MSR languished on America’s drawing boards for decades, but now it’s on China’s drawing boards as well. And they mean business. If we don&#8217;t follow through this time, we will soon buying our own invention from China. </p>
<p>If this isn’t a Sputnik Moment, then I don’t know what is.</p>
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		<title>By: felix-catt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the molten salt reactor concept,but a big technical hurdle will be finding materials that can last long term in the extremely corrosive environment found in molten salt reactors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the molten salt reactor concept,but a big technical hurdle will be finding materials that can last long term in the extremely corrosive environment found in molten salt reactors.</p>
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		<title>By: papapoe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[papapoe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2013 13:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kathie,
EESTOR team of pumpers wanted you to believe Dick Weir (chief alchemist) has successful produced off a production line EESU layers which meet the energy density of lead acid battery.  I can&#039;t believe EESTOR was a no show at the Summit.  He must be hiding the EESU layers from the dog that ate the 52kwh EESUs back in 2007.

Baghead&#039;s (B&#039;s) boys are not happy with your coverage of EESTOR, hehehe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathie,<br />
EESTOR team of pumpers wanted you to believe Dick Weir (chief alchemist) has successful produced off a production line EESU layers which meet the energy density of lead acid battery.  I can&#8217;t believe EESTOR was a no show at the Summit.  He must be hiding the EESU layers from the dog that ate the 52kwh EESUs back in 2007.</p>
<p>Baghead&#8217;s (B&#8217;s) boys are not happy with your coverage of EESTOR, hehehe.</p>
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