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	<title>Comments on: Who&#8217;s the best cloud storage provider? Microsoft, says Nasuni; but it still likes Amazon</title>
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		<title>By: Cloud Storage</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/19/whos-the-best-cloud-storage-provider-microsoft-says-nasuni-but-it-still-likes-amazon/#comment-1317834</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cloud Storage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 07:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with you Vin, companies like amazon, google and microsoft always try to neglect these best cloud storage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you Vin, companies like amazon, google and microsoft always try to neglect these best cloud storage.</p>
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		<title>By: Xalman Xhan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xalman Xhan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting comparison. But don&#039;t you guys think - you missed NetApp?

For reference:
http://www.dincloud.com/netapp-cloud-storage]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comparison. But don&#8217;t you guys think &#8211; you missed NetApp?</p>
<p>For reference:<br />
<a href="http://www.dincloud.com/netapp-cloud-storage" rel="nofollow">http://www.dincloud.com/netapp-cloud-storage</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be fair, Azure&#039;s year-over-year improvement is impressive, as indicated by the performance on small files, and the 0-error rate. Amazon&#039;s error rate was tiny, but non-zero.

But, I really do think Azure needs to handle larger sustained I/O better. It smells like they rely on caching rather than providing big pipes (think of a sponge: it&#039;s ok when you only get little bursts, but when you leave the water on the sponge can&#039;t handle the load)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, Azure&#8217;s year-over-year improvement is impressive, as indicated by the performance on small files, and the 0-error rate. Amazon&#8217;s error rate was tiny, but non-zero.</p>
<p>But, I really do think Azure needs to handle larger sustained I/O better. It smells like they rely on caching rather than providing big pipes (think of a sponge: it&#8217;s ok when you only get little bursts, but when you leave the water on the sponge can&#8217;t handle the load)</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/19/whos-the-best-cloud-storage-provider-microsoft-says-nasuni-but-it-still-likes-amazon/#comment-1314027</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, the story that &quot;Azure is the leader&quot; is incomplete at best, propaganda at worst. Don&#039;t worry Lucy, I&#039;ll splain (with specifics)

BACKUP (DISASTER RECOVERY)
How can they say Azure leads in Cloud storage, when Amazon Glacier provides backup of S3, and Azure doesn&#039;t offer a D/R solution? With Amazon, I can recover all data in ~4hours, ... no matter how much I have.
Replication, as we know, is not a backup because errors (like file deletion or overwrites) propagate to the backups.

CAPACITY
Azure storage is limited to a certain amount (currently 200TB) per storage account. Sure, you can hack an app to use multiple accounts (20 of them by default).
Even if you have one Azure account, good luck with the billing complexity. This post, http://www.nasuni.com/blog/177-azure_fair_and_balanced, by a Nasuni employee says even Azure billing isn&#039;t reliable.

On the other hand Amazon capacity is not limited and can handle individual blobs of up to 5TB. This was also not mentioned. Interesting.

AZURE INTERNAL I/O IS SLOW 
I know from my own tests, that I/O within Azure VM hosts flattens out at ~4MB/s after ~30 seconds of writing, and Amazon VM hosts stays steady at ~35MB/s without ever dropping off. Test it yourself, download your own tool (e.g. Iometer or Sqlio). So, that made me suspicious of the report&#039;s numbers. Sure, those are VMs, but it&#039;s the closest an outsider can get to testing Azure&#039;s internal (shared) infrastructure. In any case, that performance is so bad that it made me suspicous enough to read the report details...

LET&#039;S LOOK AT THE REPORT
http://ht.ly/hR301
Check out the time to write 10MB... Rackspace (of the disparaged OpenStack) had the best time to write 10MB. Azure was in 4th place, behind Google and Amazon

Also, Amazon and Azure both lag greatly in their &quot;availability&quot; metric. Why is that not a factor. Interesting.

So, I read the *actual numbers* in the report, and guess what, Azure&#039;s bandwidth/performance drop off precipitously with larger blob/file sizes.
In fact, ***THEY OMIT THE PERFORMANCE NUMBERS FOR AZURE BLOBS GREATER THAN 10MB, BUT INCLUDE THEM FOR ALL OTHER CLOUDS ***
Why? I can only guess.

What I know is that:
  Azure can handle blobs greater than 10MB, but metrics for bigger files were not included
  Azure internal IO is horrible with sustained IO (see above) and that might mean the performance for files larger than 10MB are poor.
  The report does show that performance numbers for Azure dropped off very quickly (faster than the other clouds) as the blob sizes got bigger.
  If I wanted to make Azure look good, I&#039;d focus on the small blobs (100KB) and do as they did and omit metrics on blobs larger than 10MB.
  It&#039;s possible that most of the files they care about are indeed smaller than 10MB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the story that &#8220;Azure is the leader&#8221; is incomplete at best, propaganda at worst. Don&#8217;t worry Lucy, I&#8217;ll splain (with specifics)</p>
<p>BACKUP (DISASTER RECOVERY)<br />
How can they say Azure leads in Cloud storage, when Amazon Glacier provides backup of S3, and Azure doesn&#8217;t offer a D/R solution? With Amazon, I can recover all data in ~4hours, &#8230; no matter how much I have.<br />
Replication, as we know, is not a backup because errors (like file deletion or overwrites) propagate to the backups.</p>
<p>CAPACITY<br />
Azure storage is limited to a certain amount (currently 200TB) per storage account. Sure, you can hack an app to use multiple accounts (20 of them by default).<br />
Even if you have one Azure account, good luck with the billing complexity. This post, <a href="http://www.nasuni.com/blog/177-azure_fair_and_balanced" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasuni.com/blog/177-azure_fair_and_balanced</a>, by a Nasuni employee says even Azure billing isn&#8217;t reliable.</p>
<p>On the other hand Amazon capacity is not limited and can handle individual blobs of up to 5TB. This was also not mentioned. Interesting.</p>
<p>AZURE INTERNAL I/O IS SLOW<br />
I know from my own tests, that I/O within Azure VM hosts flattens out at ~4MB/s after ~30 seconds of writing, and Amazon VM hosts stays steady at ~35MB/s without ever dropping off. Test it yourself, download your own tool (e.g. Iometer or Sqlio). So, that made me suspicious of the report&#8217;s numbers. Sure, those are VMs, but it&#8217;s the closest an outsider can get to testing Azure&#8217;s internal (shared) infrastructure. In any case, that performance is so bad that it made me suspicous enough to read the report details&#8230;</p>
<p>LET&#8217;S LOOK AT THE REPORT<br />
<a href="http://ht.ly/hR301" rel="nofollow">http://ht.ly/hR301</a><br />
Check out the time to write 10MB&#8230; Rackspace (of the disparaged OpenStack) had the best time to write 10MB. Azure was in 4th place, behind Google and Amazon</p>
<p>Also, Amazon and Azure both lag greatly in their &#8220;availability&#8221; metric. Why is that not a factor. Interesting.</p>
<p>So, I read the *actual numbers* in the report, and guess what, Azure&#8217;s bandwidth/performance drop off precipitously with larger blob/file sizes.<br />
In fact, ***THEY OMIT THE PERFORMANCE NUMBERS FOR AZURE BLOBS GREATER THAN 10MB, BUT INCLUDE THEM FOR ALL OTHER CLOUDS ***<br />
Why? I can only guess.</p>
<p>What I know is that:<br />
  Azure can handle blobs greater than 10MB, but metrics for bigger files were not included<br />
  Azure internal IO is horrible with sustained IO (see above) and that might mean the performance for files larger than 10MB are poor.<br />
  The report does show that performance numbers for Azure dropped off very quickly (faster than the other clouds) as the blob sizes got bigger.<br />
  If I wanted to make Azure look good, I&#8217;d focus on the small blobs (100KB) and do as they did and omit metrics on blobs larger than 10MB.<br />
  It&#8217;s possible that most of the files they care about are indeed smaller than 10MB.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Casimir</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Casimir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you serious ? Dropbox and Box are nothing like Azure and AS3. Those services run on Azure and AS3 so how can you compare them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you serious ? Dropbox and Box are nothing like Azure and AS3. Those services run on Azure and AS3 so how can you compare them.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/19/whos-the-best-cloud-storage-provider-microsoft-says-nasuni-but-it-still-likes-amazon/#comment-1313780</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Jacobs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dropbox and Box are not considered enterprise-grade storage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dropbox and Box are not considered enterprise-grade storage.</p>
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		<title>By: SuzyQ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SuzyQ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps you&#039;re mistaken the different between services like Dropbox and Windows Azure/Amazon S3.

Here&#039;s a clue, Dropbox is running on Amazon S3&#039;s backend ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you&#8217;re mistaken the different between services like Dropbox and Windows Azure/Amazon S3.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a clue, Dropbox is running on Amazon S3&#8242;s backend ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if azure share the same architecture as skydrive, I have a 25gb skydrive account. I love the looks and features it provide but I can&#039;t palate how slow it sync the data between skydrive and my local data and how much resources it would eat up. 500MB would takes days to synch. I heard other people have better experience with it, but mine was just unusable. And yeah I tested google drive, Dropbox, bitcasa and sugar. They all synch quickly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if azure share the same architecture as skydrive, I have a 25gb skydrive account. I love the looks and features it provide but I can&#8217;t palate how slow it sync the data between skydrive and my local data and how much resources it would eat up. 500MB would takes days to synch. I heard other people have better experience with it, but mine was just unusable. And yeah I tested google drive, Dropbox, bitcasa and sugar. They all synch quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Vin Low</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2013/02/19/whos-the-best-cloud-storage-provider-microsoft-says-nasuni-but-it-still-likes-amazon/#comment-1313766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vin Low]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are going to ignore the major players in the cloud storage industry like Dropbox and Box, how can this survey be considered reliable?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are going to ignore the major players in the cloud storage industry like Dropbox and Box, how can this survey be considered reliable?</p>
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